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OnePercenter
20 Oct 19 17:54
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Of the six Labour MPs who rebelled and voted with the government on Saturday, only one, Caroline Flint, is standing again in the next general election. But in her constituency of Don Valley, which she has represented for 22 years, that decision seems unlikely to be a costly one.

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By:
politicspunter
When: 20 Oct 19 18:00
I think the tories will win her seat.
By:
impossible123
When: 20 Oct 19 18:15
Any Labour MP with an ounce of intelligence and integrity would never have voted for the Letwin Amendment, why? To uphold the result of The Referendum and Democracy, simple!. Unless of course one is S(stupid) Kinnock (family induced perhaps) who spouted support for the result of The Referendum in public yet voted for the Amendment; his family was in The EU feeding trough for yonks, and very possibly in the future again. Easy money!
By:
differentdrum
When: 20 Oct 19 18:41
I had already flagged this up via her twitter.

Is that it? I don't know enough about the selection process but it has been suggested in recent days that the NEC would move to prevent anyone who backed the deal standing as a Labour candidate.
By:
impossible123
When: 20 Oct 19 18:54
NEC = No Effing Clue - they really don't. They are bumbling along pretending issues would go away by themselves; deselecting Labour MPs who supported Democracy? Another own goal, seems to be their fav pastime.

NEC = No Effing Clue!
By:
eric_morris
When: 20 Oct 19 19:01
differentdrum are you a Labour Party activist?
By:
Lochangel
When: 20 Oct 19 19:07
Caroline repesenting her constituents,68% leave vote in Don Valley.
Shame other Labour MP'S in other big leaving areas didn't.
By:
thegiggilo
When: 20 Oct 19 19:16
Out comes the other spare account..
By:
1st time poster
When: 20 Oct 19 19:25
REPRESENT YOUR LEAVE VOTE ARE JUST SOUNDBITES,go back in 12 months and explain to same people why their jobs,safety at work,etc etc are unxer pressure,do you think you voted for it suck it up ,will work
raahb on today saying we,re a nation of small business who cant handle all the workers rights,film from 2014 of Johnson saying theres 8.5 billions worth of rights he,d like to get rid of,truzz would only like to get rid of 4.5 billions worth
having just come in I would imagine one of the 1st in their sights is to change auto enrolment regs for buisness
By:
Foinavon
When: 20 Oct 19 19:38
There is no guarantee of jobs and prosperity by staying in the EU. An assumed fallacy of remainers.
By:
Angoose
When: 20 Oct 19 19:42
No one claiming any guarantees either way.
If you have evidence to the contrary, please feel free to bring it forward.
By:
eric_morris
When: 20 Oct 19 19:43
Patently obvious by now it is the opposite. Employment prospects, wages and conditions will sky rocket outside the EU.
By:
Foinavon
When: 20 Oct 19 19:47
The remain camp repeatedly says we will be worse off outside the EU often embellished with phrases such as cliff edge and car crash, all the proof you need that they assume we would be better off in.
By:
Lochangel
When: 20 Oct 19 19:49
More and more people are classed as self employed now,so workers rights means sweet fa to them.
They voted leave,they should have leave.That's how democracy should work.
If it turns out to be different to what they thought that's tough.
Same thing has happened loads of times,Liberal voters in 2010,me voting for Blair in 97.
By:
1st time poster
When: 20 Oct 19 19:59
that's why uber workers,plumbers for Charlie muggins,courier,s, spent 13 months a year fighting cases in court for paid leave,holidays,sick pay,maternity pay etc etc,BECAUSE THEY DONT GIVE A sweet fa,
there,s some ignorant loons about in their ivory towers or smelly bedrooms
By:
Angoose
When: 20 Oct 19 20:00

Oct 20, 2019 -- 7:47PM, Foinavon wrote:


The remain camp repeatedly says we will be worse off outside the EU often embellished with phrases such as cliff edge and car crash, all the proof you need that they assume we would be better off in.


Clutching at straws there.

Just show me one example where someone has GUARANTEED that continued EU membership would result in better financial outcomes than leaving the EU.

By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 20 Oct 19 20:03
rees mugg sayed will might be better orf in 50 years time

why so negative angoose?
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 20 Oct 19 20:04
we, not will


he, of course, will be squids in from day one..
By:
Lochangel
When: 20 Oct 19 20:04
LOL,the biggest thing to shaft couriers wages was free movement from Eastern Europe in 2004.
it's a numbers game,paid by the job,only so much pie to go round.
By:
1st time poster
When: 20 Oct 19 20:04
do realise how far the debate has gone ,changed direction immigration was number one topic during reff ,farage poster etc,farage interviewed 3 times this week never once mentioned freedom of movement once
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 20 Oct 19 20:06
when all these non eu immigrants are brought in post brexit they
will say it was never about immigration

but the forum will be revolting
By:
flushgordon1
When: 20 Oct 19 20:18
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27284489
By:
impossible123
When: 20 Oct 19 20:19
There are jobs about more evident in the bigger towns or cities - just take a look around. Creativity could work wonders for those slightly work-shy or less applied.
By:
Foinavon
When: 20 Oct 19 20:20
There is no guarantee, angoose, you are twisting words.
By:
Foinavon
When: 20 Oct 19 20:21
Foinavon
20 Oct 19 19:38
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There is no guarantee of jobs and prosperity by staying in the EU. An assumed fallacy of remainers.
By:
Angoose
When: 20 Oct 19 20:24

Oct 20, 2019 -- 7:38PM, Foinavon wrote:


There is no guarantee of jobs and prosperity by staying in the EU. An assumed fallacy of remainers.


You introduced the word guarantee, suggesting that it was being claimed that EU membership provided guarantees of jobs and prosperity.

By:
Foinavon
When: 20 Oct 19 20:27
do you not understand a negative?
By:
impossible123
When: 20 Oct 19 20:30
I'm all for The EU prior to 2004 with just 15 members when European Economic Development was the main objective. edges European Supremacy. Now, it's European Supremacy takign centre stage before anything else. Next in line to join The EU is Albania - does anyone know where Albania is? I do not. Post Albania, it could be Montenegro. I'm totally flummoxed where this place is. Am I alone?
By:
Angoose
When: 20 Oct 19 20:34
Foinavon, you clearly suggested that remainers mistakenly believe that EU membership provides guarantees.
Read your own words.
By:
Lochangel
When: 20 Oct 19 20:35
Agree with that impossible.
By:
Foinavon
When: 20 Oct 19 20:35
North Macedonia is interested too. They are in the Balkans just north of Greece.
By:
Angoose
When: 20 Oct 19 20:37
impossible123, once again displaying remarkable ignorance.
I would expect that my 5 year old son could pick out Albania on a map, quite sad that you remain unable to do so.
By:
Foinavon
When: 20 Oct 19 20:39
I suspect many of them think things will carry on the same as now.
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 20 Oct 19 20:41
surprising that anybody can switch on a computer , post drivel for months, and not know where albania is.
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 20 Oct 19 20:42
maybe the express or fail, espouses forwarding this view?
By:
politicspunter
When: 20 Oct 19 20:45

Oct 20, 2019 -- 8:41PM, ----you-have-to-laugh--- wrote:


surprising that anybody can switch on a computer , post drivel for months, and not know where albania is.


Surely he must have heard of King Zog?

By:
impossible123
When: 20 Oct 19 20:47
But Turkey are not...how is that possible? Turkey could "swallow up" metaphorically speaking (not militarily) nearly everyone of the new minnow EU member states except Poland. And, its economy is many multiples of these pariah EU members too; Turkey would be an ideal EU member state in my opinion. Could it be The EU bureaucrats and Presidents are afraid of Turkey? I wonder what that might be.
By:
politicspunter
When: 20 Oct 19 20:48

Oct 20, 2019 -- 8:47PM, impossible123 wrote:


But Turkey are not...how is that possible? Turkey could "swallow up" metaphorically speaking (not militarily) nearly everyone of the new minnow EU member states except Poland. And, its economy is many multiples of these pariah EU members too; Turkey would be an ideal EU member state in my opinion. Could it be The EU bureaucrats and Presidents are afraid of Turkey? I wonder what that might be.


Go on, you must have heard of King Zog ?

By:
treetop
When: 20 Oct 19 21:52
Norman Wisdom was their celebrity, our jails are full of them already.
By:
politicspunter
When: 20 Oct 19 21:55

Oct 20, 2019 -- 9:52PM, treetop wrote:


Norman Wisdom was their celebrity, our jails are full of them already.


Of course, he was a huge star there. I think it was to do with being a very strict communist country, they didn't have many western films but Norman clowning around a department store made him a superstar in their eyes.

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