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By Martin Kettle

When a football team loses its first four games of the season, the manager’s job is on the line. Could the same thing happen with Boris Johnson’s prime ministership? It seems unlikely, so soon after the ousting of Theresa May. And yet politics, like football, is a results-driven game.

This week, Johnson lost four big votes in the Commons. Last week he lost Scottish Tory leader Ruth Davidson too. On Tuesday he threw 21 MPs out of his party. On Thursday he even drove his own brother out as well. The damage that Johnson is willing to inflict on politics appears limitless. But it may also extend to Tory prospects in the general election he is so keen to hold.

It wasn’t supposed to be this way. Most Tories backed Johnson because they think he is a winner. This was always a foolish triumph of hope over reality. They wanted the Johnson style to magically allow the party to spring the trap in which Theresa May had got caught over Brexit. But the reality – as true under Johnson as it was under May – is that the Conservative party is still divided, still lacks a parliamentary majority, and is still pursuing policies that are opposed by too many voters.

The referendum struck at the heart of the parliamentary system in multiple ways. But it did nothing to change Lyndon Johnson’s iron law of politics: that successful politicians must learn how to count. For the first few weeks, the numbers did not matter. Now parliament is back, the numbers matter all the time. There is nothing that Johnson can do about this unless, like his brother Jo on Thursday, he just walks away. Maybe that is in fact what this prime minister will do too. It has begun to seem possible.

Johnson has thrown the playbook aside. He acts as if he has a majority, even though he does not. He has tried to pursue a radical Brexit agenda in a parliament that has never supported it. He has put his fingers in his ears rather than listen to a nation that is deeply divided. And in doing so he seems absolutely content, as does Dominic Cummings, to destroy the Conservative party as a broad-based party of government.

Nothing illustrates this better than the removal of the whip from the 21 Tories who backed the effort to block a no-deal Brexit. In a different Tory party, these 21 could plausibly have filled most cabinet seats. It is not just the loss of talent that is destructive. It is also the contrast with the actual cabinet of overpromoted fanatics, snobs and halfwits that Johnson has assembled.

The real message of this week’s purge is that the liberal, middling, pragmatic Tory party with which Johnson once identified is now regarded as dispensable. Such is the pressure of the Brexit deadline and the Brexit party, that nothing can be allowed to stand in the way of the project to remodel the Tories and win an election from the English nationalist right against divided opposition. The rage against Johnson from centrist Tories at the 1922 committee this week was the rage of MPs who have realised too late that they could soon be thrown overboard too.

This centrally directed radicalisation of the Tory party lies behind everything. It is invoked to justify the prioritisation of no deal, the refusal to negotiate seriously about economic links with the EU, the utter indifference to Scotland and Ireland and the growing election drumbeat. In this view of the party’s priorities, the pushing out of Ken Clarke, Dominic Grieve and Davidson might be a powerful, purifying message that the fainthearts have been defeated.

All of this is predicated on the belief that around 35% of the electorate crave this approach and that, with the opposition divided, they will reward Johnson with a working majority. Yet the evidence for this theory – on which everything else Johnson is doing ultimately rests – is very thin. The 318 Tory MPs elected under May in 2017 are down to 289 now. Not all of those 29 lost Tory seats will be reclaimed at the election. Further Tory losses are likely in Scotland and to the resurgent Liberal Democrats. The Brexit party, although diminished, has not gone away and its votes could still cost the Tories some marginals. And Labour cannot be written off in a campaign, in spite of Jeremy Corbyn’s poor current ratings.

The issue of timing adds volatility. Although he desperately wants to frame the contest as a populist battle of people versus parliament, any outcome is likely to be politically suboptimal for Johnson. An election before 31 October helps Nigel Farage because the Brexit outcome remains uncertain. An election afterwards depends on whether Johnson can say he has delivered Brexit. But any deadline extension like the one written into this week’s anti-no-deal bill is a double whammy for Johnson, since he will have failed to deliver and the future would also remain uncertain. Logically, therefore, he has a huge motive to secure a deal of the kind that Labour MP Stephen Kinnock succeeded in writing into the new bill. But logic went out of the window long ago.

Whenever someone mentions Johnson’s absurd self-identification with Winston Churchill, recall what Stanley Baldwin, himself also a pretty successful Tory leader, said about Churchill in the 1930s. “One of these days I’ll make a few casual remarks about Winston,” Baldwin told Thomas Jones. “I’ve got it all ready. I’m going to say that when Winston was born lots of fairies swooped down on his cradle [with] gifts – imagination, eloquence, industry, ability. And then came a fairy who said ‘No one person has a right to so many gifts’ picked him up and gave him such a shake and twist that, with all these gifts, he was denied judgment and wisdom. And that is why while we delight to listen to him in this House we do not take his advice.”

Judgment and wisdom are precisely the qualities that Johnson lacks too. This week, most MPs decided they do not trust his advice either. They were absolutely right. If and when an election finally comes, there is no good reason to suppose that the voters will react as differently as Johnson hopes.

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By:
flushgordon1
When: 06 Sep 19 07:31
Here's a bit of advice , the guardian is wrong on everything.
It's not over till Emily Fivebellys sings.
By:
geordie1956
When: 06 Sep 19 08:29
A good article ... Bojo the busted flush ... playing with a loaded deck and still picks the wrong cards
Wonder what his next trick will be ...
The actions of the Bonker have made the departed Robert Mugabe seem like a radical democrat Crazy
By:
salmon spray
When: 06 Sep 19 08:58
The problem he has now is that "no deal" apparently being off the table affects what he can do in the Commons rather than what he can do with the EU. Even Johnson has known all along that he isn't going to get anything substantial out of the EU,which is why there have been no serious negotiations going on. I have thought for weeks now that the plan was to bring back May's deal,slightly tarted up so he could pretend it was a new deal though everybody would know it wasn't. The idea would be that whilst he would lose a few ERG votes and presumably the DUP he would get enough Labour MPS,like Caroline Flint,who would shy away from no deal and support him. That threat is no longer there,one presumes though I'm not sure how you get Johnson to ask for an extension against his will,but I still think he will try it.
By:
brigust1
When: 06 Sep 19 09:53
Good morning SS. I have to disagree with your observations. Of course I could be wrong and Boris is only what he appears. Personally I think there is more to this.
You say he has no power with the EU and that may be what it looks but I think when there is a General Election and if the Brexit party are still in play then I do believe a no-deal is hugely more likely. Maybe not today but soon. That is a huge negotiating point that will be more apparent now we have had the EU elections, the Brexit Party are the biggest party in the EU parliament, and Corbyn is un-votable. If that is a word.
Boris's negotiator has given a long list of amendments to the back stop (go in hard first) and I think the EU will tweek something that Boris will be able to bring back in October.
I do not believe he would say he will not be asking the EU for an extension and he would rather be 'dead in a ditch'. He has a strong plan I do believe and it is acting out as he expected.
By:
enpassant
When: 06 Sep 19 09:57
Lol
By:
brigust1
When: 06 Sep 19 09:58
**I do not believe he would say he will not be asking the EU for and extension and he 'would rather be 'dead in a ditch' if he didn't have a plan.
By:
brigust1
When: 06 Sep 19 10:00
Don't 'lol' just yet enpassant, save it for when we leave. It won't be long now. Wink
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 06 Sep 19 10:01
the Brexit Party are the biggest party in the EU parliament



29 out of 751 , a working majority Laugh
By:
brigust1
When: 06 Sep 19 10:08
^^ I never said a working majority but they can be problematic and the EU know that.
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 06 Sep 19 10:11
they can make some noise but are easily outvoted with their 4%
By:
enpassant
When: 06 Sep 19 10:15

Sep 6, 2019 -- 10:00AM, brigust1 wrote:


Don't 'lol' just yet enpassant, save it for when we leave. It won't be long now.


Leave or not, soon or down the line: I 'lol ' at the suggestion this is all in the plan. It cracked me up tbh.

By:
brigust1
When: 06 Sep 19 10:16
There are a lot of like minded people from other countries with seats in the EU parliament who have sympathy with the Brexit party and may eventually become enough to make things become more increasingly difficult. A bit like a poison (wrong analogy I know) if you leave it unchecked it can become dangerous.
By:
enpassant
When: 06 Sep 19 10:16
poison is fine.
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 06 Sep 19 10:16
poison is perfect analogy

well done
By:
enpassant
When: 06 Sep 19 10:17
and pretty accurate.
By:
brigust1
When: 06 Sep 19 10:21
You really don't think all of these actions could not have been predicted? I'm sure Cummings and Co predicted everything down to the letter. Boris will be presenting May's re tweeked bill in October and it will sail through. Supported by numbers of Labour party MP's in fear of losing their seats to the Brexit Party. Leaving soon.
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 06 Sep 19 10:22
hes had more than a tweaked nose
By:
enpassant
When: 06 Sep 19 10:30
'One MP told the Telegraph: “There is a theory that the real plan is to crash Boris and create chaos, only for Gove to emerge as the elder statesman ready to take over.”

However, another Westminster insider told Express.co.uk: “I don’t put any weight on rumours of a Gove Cummings plot. At least, not this one.” '
By:
enpassant
When: 06 Sep 19 10:32
I have a cunning plan...................
By:
anxious
When: 06 Sep 19 10:36
Cummings worked with gove at education didnt he
By:
brigust1
When: 06 Sep 19 10:40
How is it a cunning plan? Boris is just clearing up May's mess. There is a plan on the table already that just needs a couple of minor tweeks. The problem is that the parliament is a Remain parliament and the new bill needs a majority but the incentive to vote for it must be there.
The remainers in the Conservative Party can see Brexit disappearing if they let this go. A number of Labour MP's will be ousted by the Brexit Party if they don't vote for the new deal.  The number are there but this path has to be taken to clear the dead would and to focus minds.
Boris knew the Speaker would allow the no-deal to be stopped. Boris knew he would have to ask for a General Election and the Labour party would decline it. Boris kew a number of his back benchers would vote against him. This is not rocket science. Why do you think he making the statements he is? Why do you think his negotiator is in Brussels with a long list of changes to the backstop when you consider what is going on.
I do believe this is all pat of the plan. It would be my plan.
By:
brigust1
When: 06 Sep 19 10:40
* dead wood
By:
brigust1
When: 06 Sep 19 10:42
sorry about the typo's my computer keyboard is a remainer.
By:
anxious
When: 06 Sep 19 10:44
So then we end up with a deal that keeps us in the customs union , in the single market but also with no vote and no infleuence  , surely again that is worse than no deal and remain
By:
anxious
When: 06 Sep 19 10:45
Im not sure that Bullingdon , gove and Cummings are that clever to be honest
By:
anxious
When: 06 Sep 19 10:47
Gove is a very dangerous schemer if i were Bullingdon i would be looking over my shoulder
By:
brigust1
When: 06 Sep 19 10:49
I think the part of the backstop covering the customs union and single market will be time limited and that will be enough for the ERG.
By:
enpassant
When: 06 Sep 19 10:51

Sep 6, 2019 -- 10:42AM, brigust1 wrote:


sorry about the typo's my computer keyboard is a remainer.


Wouldn't your keyboard be better educated than a leave keyboard though ?

By:
Angoose
When: 06 Sep 19 10:51
Aren't they all failing badly to clean up David Cameron's mess ?
By:
anxious
When: 06 Sep 19 10:52
maybe yes but when your dealing with fanatics like baker , rees fogg  etc you cannot be sure of anything
By:
brigust1
When: 06 Sep 19 10:53
The keyboard is going to leave, without a deal!
By:
anxious
When: 06 Sep 19 10:56
LaughLaugh
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 06 Sep 19 10:56
Gove is a very dangerous schemer if i were Bullingdon i would be looking over my shoulder

bj might yet get his ditch
By:
enpassant
When: 06 Sep 19 10:57
Well he's certainly digging it wide and deep.
By:
politicspunter
When: 06 Sep 19 11:00

Sep 6, 2019 -- 10:53AM, brigust1 wrote:


The keyboard is going to leave, without a deal!


lol

By:
brigust1
When: 06 Sep 19 11:03
Don't forget the mantra you are now hearing and will continue to hear from the Conservative Party is that Boris's chief negotiator David Frost is negotiating a deal with the EU and Boris will be putting to the Commons for a vote in mid October. Watch this space.
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 06 Sep 19 11:21
get rid of your keyboard before you get a replacement

lol, typical brexit tactic

you can still post without one, easiest thing to do in the history
of easy things to do
By:
Angoose
When: 06 Sep 19 11:23

Sep 6, 2019 -- 11:03AM, brigust1 wrote:


Don't forget the mantra you are now hearing and will continue to hear from the Conservative Party is that Boris's chief negotiator David Frost is negotiating a deal with the EU and Boris will be putting to the Commons for a vote in mid October. Watch this space.


That's precisely what the Benn bill compels him to do. Also includes a backstop of requesting an extension if he either fails to do so or the deal is not acceptable to the hosue.

By:
n88uk
When: 06 Sep 19 11:30
Heard the master plan that chief negotiator Frost proposed was the same WA as May with a few bits simply deleted Happy.
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