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A majority of Scots are now in favour of independence and want a second referendum by 2021, according to a new poll.

Holyrood can reveal that a poll conducted by Lord Ashcroft Polls - days after Boris Johnson, the new prime minister, visited Scotland - puts support for independence at 46 per cent for and 43 per cent against.

Once those who said they didn’t know how they would vote, or said they would not vote, are removed, support for independence rises to 52 per cent for, 48 per cent against.


This is the first lead for independence in a major poll since an Ipsos MORI poll in March 2017 and it is the biggest lead for a ‘yes’ vote since a spate of polls were published in 2016 shortly after the EU referendum.

Almost half (47 per cent) of the Scots surveyed in the poll said that there should be a second independence referendum within the next two years, which fits with the timetable announced by the First Minister, Nicola Sturgeon, who has said she wants a referendum by the end of this parliamentary term.

The new poll will be a serious blow for Ruth Davidson, the leader of the Scottish Conservatives, who has repeatedly said that there is no real support for a second independence referendum any time soon.

According to the poll, a third of Labour voters, a majority of EU remain voters and 18 per cent of those who voted ‘no’ in 2014, said they would vote ‘yes’ now.

Conversely, ten percent of those who voted ‘yes’ in 2014 said they would now vote ‘no’.

And even though Scottish Labour and the Liberal Democrats are both opponents of a second independence referendum, a return to the polls for Indyref2 is favoured by more than one third of 2017 Labour voters, more than half of EU remain voters and by more than one in five of those who voted ‘no’ to independence in 2014.

However, more than 90 per cent of Conservative supporters have said they oppose a second referendum.

Overall, a majority of Scots said that if a second independence referendum were to be held, they believed that Scotland would become independent and only three in ten of those polled – including two thirds of Conservative supporters and fewer than half of ‘no’ voters in 2014 – thought Scotland would vote to remain part of the UK.

Almost half (46 per cent) of Scots agreed with the first minister that a no-deal Brexit would be disastrous for Scotland and a majority of those polled agreed that Brexit strengthens the case for Scottish independence.

More than 60 per cent of Scots – including 38 per cent of 2017 Conservatives and two thirds of Labour voters – said they think Brexit makes it more likely that Scotland will become independent in the foreseeable future.

More than half of 2014 No voters think this is the case, with 32 per cent of them saying it makes independence much more likely.

According to the poll, more than half said there should be a second EU referendum, with 69 per cent of SNP voters in favour of a second poll, more than half of Labour voters and one in five Conservatives.

If there was a second EU referendum, 67 per cent of those polled said they would vote to remain, which is a rise on the 62 per cent that voted to remain in 2016.

Scottish voters were closely divided as to whether – if it were not possible to do both - it would be more important for Scotland to remain part of the UK or to remain in the EU.

And while 42 per cent said they would prioritise the Union, 45 per cent said they would prioritise the EU.

In terms of the prime minister’s first week in office, half of those Scots polled said they expected him to do badly and a quarter said he had done better than they had anticipated.

One in four Conservative supporters said they had low expectations of Johnson but had been pleasantly surprised.

Compared to other politicians, Johnson ranks relatively low among Scottish voters, although above Scottish Labour leader Richard Leonard, UK Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn and Brexit Party leader Nigel Farage.

Asked whether Johnson or Corbyn would make the best prime minister, 29 per cent of Scots named Johnson, while 23 per cent said Corbyn.

More worryingly for the Labour leader, fewer than four in ten of 2017 Labour voters said they thought he would make the best prime minister.

The poll was based on a sample size of 1,019, and was conducted online between 30 July and 2 August.
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Report Kelly August 7, 2019 12:17 AM BST
lfc, the current agreement was agreed between the EU and Britain , a Britain led by a Conservative and Unionist Prime Minister . FACT , no matter how you want to ignore that. That Britain wants to change the agreement means it is incumbent on Britain to negotiate/ amend the agreement . Blaming the EU is just a cover up for Boris and co failing to have any sensible and workable solution that is acceptable to the majority of UK MP's and to the EU .

The rest of the world knows the score . There is no rush to court Britain , if there was we would have had slogans ( on buses? ) and facts ( where is the oft trumpeted Liam Fox , the architect of loads of proposed trade deals) .  Ignore Trump , after the recent shootings he blames 6 other factors , ignoring the real culprit viz inadequate gun laws .  He wants to scupper Europe , using Britain is his current play , leaving a clearer deck for USA dominance .
Report lfc1971 August 7, 2019 12:21 AM BST
That’s ok, I prefer America to Europe , or Ireland for that matter
Report lfc1971 August 7, 2019 12:28 AM BST
Now the agreement didn’t get through the British Parliament
guess why ? The remainers didn’t vote for it , blame them
Report Kelly August 7, 2019 12:30 AM BST
tobermory , you are putting the cart before the horse .  If the remainers won a "peoples vote" Scotland would be quite happy to remain in the UK . As would Northern Ireland probably .

No deal Brexit is playing with fire constitutionally   , a fact that the Brexiteers try to pooh pooh .  The regions of Britain that would suffer most in a no deal situation are Northern Ireland and Scotland in that order . Disaffected citizens invariably react .
Report lfc1971 August 7, 2019 12:32 AM BST
They would not accept leaving the EU , even after a second referendum
So that’s a waste of time
Report lfc1971 August 7, 2019 12:35 AM BST
Kelly start with the threats of violence again , thanks
Report lfc1971 August 7, 2019 12:37 AM BST
I’m more concerned that the losers learn to respect the referendum result
Don’t start preaching about being disaffected until you can understand that
Report lfc1971 August 7, 2019 12:43 AM BST
Now Brexit comes first , with it without the Scots or the Irish I don’t care after that Scotland or N Ireland can do what they want
Report lfc1971 August 7, 2019 12:46 AM BST
We are not going to waste our time trying to convince you in n Ireland or anyone else  , it’s too much trouble
Report Kelly August 7, 2019 12:48 AM BST
lfc , the agreement didn't get through Parliament because the British Prime Minister and her advisers/ cabinet hadn't a clue how to achieve it.  They couldn't agree among themselves what day it was . Not the EU's fault , 27 of their countries were firmly behind what was agreed . May represented a divided country , and kept backing the wrong horses . If you keep backing losing selections you finish up bankrupt.  Applies to ideas as well as money .

Boris has picked a complete Brexit cabinet , and will try to present himself and his cabinet as a united front for the views of the country . Boris does not care if he runs the ship onto the rocks which seems to be his only tactic . May was sensible enough to realise that staying aboard such a ship was madness , she jumped ship , did not want the ultimate legacy of the albatross around her neck .

Boris is not worried about the albatross , too interested in enjoying the trip to see the rocks ahead .
Report lfc1971 August 7, 2019 12:55 AM BST
Kelly I’m tired trying to explain the basics to you
Here it is again , no agreement no matter what which took us out of the EU was going to get through Parliament because the Labour Party and the liberals and the snp wouldn’t vote for it

Now Boris is , hopefully , going to steer the ship around the iceberg that is the remainer parliament , through difficult and treacherous waters
And bring it safely to shore on the other side

Nite nite
Report Kelly August 7, 2019 1:36 AM BST
Well , lfc , if the British Prime Minister was inane enough to negotiate and agree an arrangement which she could not get through Parliament it shows how badly served the UK is by its politicians and political system . We had 3 years of reassurance and empty promises . Compromise to accommodate the views of approximately 50% of the country would have enabled her to be in with a fighting chance .  Instead she allowed herself to be acting at the behest of the DUP , the ERG , and the other arch Brexiteers who had their agenda which accommodated only themselves , no one else .  They just drew red lines everywhere , where a softer Brexit might have won more general support .

Now Boris and co are trying to bluff and bluster the EU , concentrating on Ireland which they view as a chink in the EU armor . Ireland is minute in the EU finances , throwing Ireland a few extra concessions and support will cost the EU buttons .  It will be Northern Ireland that will suffer most from a no deal Brexit , except for the smuggling at which we were among the worlds experts once upon a time .  350 miles of farmland and waterway borders cannot be policed 24/7 . A back door into Britain , and the DUP are adamant that there must be no border in the Irish sea between Northern Ireland and "the mainland" , one of their main red lines . So if you are in Northern Ireland you are free into the UK . And the lorries which cross our border 19 times a day as currently have to be able to do it with no delay as at present , otherwise there will be no trade deal approved by the House of Congress as it might endanger the Good Friday Agreement.

Boris and co live in a very sheltered/ cocooned environment , conditioned by upbringing , education and political systems. That Boris found it hard going dealing with other Europeans on a factual basis when working as a journalist is no surprise .  Leopards don't change their spots , now or in the future .
Report politicspunter August 7, 2019 8:19 AM BST
Don't know where this is going to end but..

The Herald also features the prospect of a second independence referendum but leads with comments from Scottish Conservatives leader Ruth Davidson about the state of the Union. Ms Davidson said she had sent the results of a recent opinion poll, which showed most Scots back a Yes vote, to the new Prime Minister Boris Johnson.
Report flushgordon1 August 7, 2019 8:58 AM BST
A poll of a little over a thousand people is not most Scots.

Last election one poll giving the Yes campaign a 51–49 lead. In the referendum, on 18 September 2014, Scotland voted against independence by 55.3% to 44.7%, with an overall turnout of 84.6%.[10][11]
Report politicspunter August 7, 2019 9:47 AM BST
Flush,

All opinion polls don't ask everyone who votes. However, most are pretty accurate and are rarely far outwith the margin of error. It's the same with all national polling such as the EU referendum, some polls had leave in front, some remain, some level but very little in it one way or another. It's the same here, there is nothing in it.
Report aaronh August 7, 2019 12:36 PM BST
Here it is again , no agreement no matter what which took us out of the EU was going to get through Parliament because the Labour Party and the liberals and the snp wouldn’t vote for it


lfc needs to get his calculator out
Report politicspunter August 7, 2019 12:39 PM BST
Just block him, save yourself a lot of time.
Report lfc1971 August 7, 2019 12:45 PM BST
^ blocked ages ago
Report xmoneyx August 7, 2019 1:08 PM BST
ian murray labour

edinburgh south


libdems revival chance of snp coming thru middle taking seat
Report politicspunter August 7, 2019 1:11 PM BST
xmoneyx, I cant see it. Murray has a 15K, 32.4% majority and a high incumbency factor.
Report xmoneyx August 7, 2019 1:57 PM BST
yeah he is a good mp  personal vote
Report politicspunter August 7, 2019 2:04 PM BST
I recall that he held his seat (think this was 2015 general election) when looking in real trouble, only for the likely SNP victor to have said some stupid things on social media which probably cost him victory.
Report xmoneyx August 7, 2019 3:11 PM BST
oh dear


The
@ScottishLabour
party came 6th in
@IanMurrayMP
's seat in May's European elections with 8.1% of the vote. Turnout was a healthy 54.7%. The combined SNP and Green vote was 43.5%.
Report politicspunter August 7, 2019 3:15 PM BST
Thanks xmoneyx, will have a look at that but I don't give a great deal of credence to the EU elections.
Report xmoneyx August 7, 2019 3:19 PM BST
its like a bunker seat


always manages to hang on Excited
Report politicspunter August 7, 2019 3:26 PM BST
As you say, he has a strong personal vote. I wouldn't be surprised in a general election situation for other parties to do token campaigning there just to tie up the Labour canvassing teams and meanwhile focus their efforts on better Edinburgh seat possibles.
Report politicspunter August 7, 2019 3:39 PM BST
Midlothian and East Lothian strictly don't count as Edinburgh but they would be better SNP targets.
Report sageform August 7, 2019 8:25 PM BST
Labour have made the strange announcement that they want an electoral pact with SNP to form a majority in the next parliament. They will then allow the SNP to call a second referendum which, if successful, would remove 40+ seats from Westminster and return Labour to the opposition benches. Talk about short term thinking.
Report politicspunter August 7, 2019 8:27 PM BST

Aug 7, 2019 -- 2:25PM, sageform wrote:


Labour have made the strange announcement that they want an electoral pact with SNP to form a majority in the next parliament. They will then allow the SNP to call a second referendum which, if successful, would remove 40+ seats from Westminster and return Labour to the opposition benches. Talk about short term thinking.


Link please?

Report sageform August 7, 2019 8:40 PM BST
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-49257322
Report politicspunter August 7, 2019 8:47 PM BST
Saeform, this is the link I have posted up thread regarding John McDonnell and indyref2.
Report politicspunter August 7, 2019 8:49 PM BST
McDonnell makes it quite clear that he wishes Labour to run a minority government.
Report Angoose August 7, 2019 9:00 PM BST
A lot to happen between now and such a possibility becoming even close to reality.
Report sageform August 7, 2019 9:16 PM BST
Before or after the Scots leave Westminster and become independent? How exactly will Labour have enough support? If they vote to stay then Labour will benefit of course but how long will the SNP last if they lose another referendum? Like the Brexit party, they were formed on a single issue. If they get their way and win indyref2 they will no longer be in Westminster, if they lose they will be discredited.
Report flushgordon1 August 7, 2019 9:37 PM BST
They will lose .
Report sofiakenny August 7, 2019 10:31 PM BST
offering any odds flush?
Report flushgordon1 August 7, 2019 10:33 PM BST
What are you requiring?
Report sofiakenny August 7, 2019 10:34 PM BST
as generous as you can offer.
Report flushgordon1 August 7, 2019 10:35 PM BST
Lay you evens for 5k.
Report sofiakenny August 7, 2019 10:40 PM BST
was hoping for a more realistic price given the certainty of your opinion.
Report xmoneyx August 10, 2019 1:29 PM BST
the times

wings over scotland

putting canidates 2021 scottish election

split independence vote CryDevilCool
Report xmoneyx August 10, 2019 1:38 PM BST
list seats only

Wings Over Scotland

So if - IF - we formed a party, it might indeed die on its arse. Liking a website doesn't equate to votes. But at least in theory, the numbers are there to take a lot of seats from Unionist parties. (The SNP only having four list seats to start with.)
Report V4 Vendetta August 10, 2019 1:42 PM BST
Soft leave or hard leave?  What will the question say?
Border open means not rejoining EU.
What currency?  Euro is mandatory if rejoin EU (and have hard border) as Scotland would satisfy conditions (not optional unless you negotiate and opt-out - good luck).
If using sterling, you have no lender of last resort and are on an effective commodity standard - goodbye borrowing for big projects.
Report politicspunter August 10, 2019 1:49 PM BST
Hmm, if Euro is mandatory how come the UK is allowed to use the pound?
Report V4 Vendetta August 10, 2019 1:53 PM BST
An optout was negotiated in order to create the SM.  I doubt Scotland would get one.
Report politicspunter August 10, 2019 2:09 PM BST
Why not?
Report V4 Vendetta August 10, 2019 2:45 PM BST
There is no SM to create anymore and they want a single currency.
Report politicspunter August 10, 2019 3:12 PM BST
So you are saying that every country in the EU uses the euro?
Report Angoose August 10, 2019 3:19 PM BST
When the euro was first agreed, the UK and Denmark “opted out”. But at that stage that only meant they were not joining at the start. There was never intended to be any long-term form of EU membership that did not include euro membership.

The UK did not say “never” to begin with, and all new EU members since the euro began in 1999 have had to commit to joining. Indeed, by 2020, all but five member states of the EU are due to be euro members and Poland is likely to join by then as well, leaving just the UK, Denmark, Sweden and Bulgaria outside.
Report telepathic August 10, 2019 7:06 PM BST
Angoose - There is no requirement to join the euro immediately, and only a commitment to join at some time in the future, if you find it ties in with your economic circumstances at that time - but they cant force you.
You have been reading from the FEAR handbook.
Report Angoose August 10, 2019 7:15 PM BST
Que ?

I've done a cut and paste that clearly states since the euro began in 1999 have had to commit to joining.
Where have I stated that you have to join ?

Have you been reading the paranoia handbook ?
Report Alias August 10, 2019 8:06 PM BST
Euro is mandatory if rejoin EU

It most definitely is NOT.
Report treetop August 12, 2019 2:32 PM BST
The SNP owe their succes to the EU , the outfit that pushed Devolution onto Blair's agenda. He sold it to an unwitting UK hoping to ensure his path to the EU Presidency at a later date.
Report Whisperingdeath August 12, 2019 4:42 PM BST
The Bullingdon Boys and Eton Rifles of the Conservative and Unionist Party of Great Britain and Northern Ireland are determined to break up The Union.

How Enoch Powell would weep!
Report politicspunter August 12, 2019 5:29 PM BST

Aug 12, 2019 -- 8:32AM, treetop wrote:


The SNP owe their succes to the EU , the outfit that pushed Devolution onto Blair's agenda. He sold it to an unwitting UK hoping to ensure his path to the EU Presidency at a later date.


The SNP owe their success to the EU is a new one on me.

Report V4 Vendetta August 13, 2019 9:57 AM BST
It most definitely is.

The EU’s website says: “All EU Member States, except Denmark and the United Kingdom, are required to adopt the euro and join the euro area. To do this they must meet certain conditions known as ‘convergence criteria’.”

Scotland would need to negotiate an opt-out which would be hard as it would be in an even weaker position than the UK.

The questions rarely addressed in calling for Indyref2 are those of the currency and the lender of last resort.  Some, including Salmond, have talked of "keeping the pound" which is wish-washy language ignoring the fundamental point of a lack of a lender of last resort.  Scotland would have the BoE as a central bank and no provision to borrow uncollateralised. It would be on a de facto commodity standard likely to be quite deflationary and contrary to the centre-left policies supported by many in Scotland.
Report eric_morris August 13, 2019 1:14 PM BST
Let them have it. At the same time legislate against Scottish MPs entering the English parliament.
Report politicspunter August 13, 2019 3:07 PM BST

Aug 13, 2019 -- 3:57AM, V4 Vendetta wrote:


It most definitely is.The EU’s website says: “All EU Member States, except Denmark and the United Kingdom, are required to adopt the euro and join the euro area. To do this they must meet certain conditions known as ‘convergence criteria’.”Scotland would need to negotiate an opt-out which would be hard as it would be in an even weaker position than the UK.The questions rarely addressed in calling for Indyref2 are those of the currency and the lender of last resort.  Some, including Salmond, have talked of "keeping the pound" which is wish-washy language ignoring the fundamental point of a lack of a lender of last resort.  Scotland would have the BoE as a central bank and no provision to borrow uncollateralised. It would be on a de facto commodity standard likely to be quite deflationary and contrary to the centre-left policies supported by many in Scotland.


Salmond hasn't been SNP leader for years. This is all out of date stuff.

Report politicspunter August 13, 2019 3:08 PM BST

Aug 13, 2019 -- 7:14AM, eric_morris wrote:


Let them have it. At the same time legislate against Scottish MPs entering the English parliament.


No such thing as an "English Parliament".

Report Whisperingdeath August 13, 2019 3:11 PM BST
No such thing as an "English Parliament".


Absolutely! That's the trouble with these Little Englanders and Xenophobes. They don't know their own country, Laws or History! Oh and most are simple and stupid!
Report flushgordon1 August 13, 2019 3:42 PM BST
UK - USA says jump, we say how high =vassalage(according to filthy Remanians).

UK - EU says jump, we say how high = good( according to filthy Remanians).

Little eurolanders
Report Whisperingdeath August 13, 2019 3:48 PM BST
Quad erat demonstratumWink
Report flushgordon1 August 13, 2019 3:52 PM BST
Boaby lac filio meo,
Report eric_morris August 13, 2019 9:04 PM BST
Fookin shoyte (didnt do Latin or shove my p e nis in pigs heads)
Report lfc1971 August 13, 2019 9:39 PM BST
The Scots will have to take their share of UK debt, don’t forget that please ( whatever currency you manage to agree on )
Report lfc1971 August 13, 2019 9:42 PM BST
I would advise any Scot to get their money out of Scotland and into an English bank ( sterling )
the night before any change , or sooner if possible
Report lfc1971 August 13, 2019 9:44 PM BST
I would hate to see telepathics life savings disappear overnight : (
Report flushgordon1 August 13, 2019 9:57 PM BST
Life savings , a badgers chough and a littlewoods catalogue with the woman's underwear pages stick together.
Report treetop August 13, 2019 10:44 PM BST
Been agin the EU since Maastricht, shortly after they released a green paper for the future direction which broke UK and others up into autonomous areas with City States that would have allegiance to Brussels instead of the nation state capitals. North West rejected it as Liverpool virulently opposed Manchester, SHeffield opposed Leeds,etc., hence the failed north east assembly which was supposed to be the forerunner because they guaranteed Labour support.Devolution was one tactic that Blair had opposed when he campaigned in 1997 for an EU referendum but in power supported as a policy to return power to the regions (remember the farcical north east assembly anyone ). Promoted nationalism in Scotland and Wales but they have had to revert to City mayors as an alternative to the failed Assembly idea.Look beyond the superficial debate people.
Report Whisperingdeath August 13, 2019 11:01 PM BST
I am struggline to see what the Scots whant independence and more importantly how will they be a able to run " their " country?

They haven't got a currency. Does the EU want another net recipient?
Report akabula August 13, 2019 11:52 PM BST
The UK leaving the EU is going to harm Scotland according to the SNP yet Scotland leaving the UK is going to be great.
Doesn't make sense. BTW going to court to try and thwart us leaving with a No Deal whilst they want to leave the UK with a No Deal.
Report sageform August 14, 2019 12:24 PM BST
If Scotland and NI leave it will be an English and Welsh Parliament.
Report baNjackst August 14, 2019 3:44 PM BST
Sure the Scottish don't recognize referendum results
Report flushgordon1 August 14, 2019 5:19 PM BST
Natalie mc Garry and Soapy will keep the crooked snp in the headlines.
Report treetop August 14, 2019 8:41 PM BST
Going to court is just a media campaign by teh SNP to garner attention.
Report akabula August 14, 2019 9:27 PM BST
Refusing to accept all devolved powers saying they won't be ready until 2022 yet sought independence in 2014
Report DFCIRONMAN August 14, 2019 11:50 PM BST
The economic arguments for independence are substantially weaker now.

Cannot see Scotland making such a bad decision for independence.

The poll, if taken on line, ignores the older generation as many don't have a computer etc ....and the size of poll is ridiculously small.
Report dukeofpuke August 15, 2019 12:39 AM BST
I like the scottish independence thing but lets do it like the Irish split Scotland into regions that will mean Glasgow and Dundee will be on their own even Edinburgh will be unionist so that will Fck the scots parliament up
Report politicspunter August 15, 2019 7:57 AM BST
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-49352971

Corbyn agrees with McDonnell that the UK Parliament would not block a second referendum.
Report V4 Vendetta August 15, 2019 8:11 AM BST
There is no agreement on the currency or lender of last resort.  What's worse is there is hardly any discussion about it and those are the two most significant issues (EU membership being strongly caught up in the first to an extent that you may not have a choice).  Moreover, when Scotland takes around 8% of the Gilts burden too, denominated in Sterling, it will need very careful management to avoid a currency appreciation of the debt.
Report politicspunter August 15, 2019 8:17 AM BST
Somehow I don't think the currency will be the big issue for the Scottish people.
Report dukeofpuke August 15, 2019 8:48 AM BST
Mineral rights don't pass over until 10 years after independence also decommissioning oil rigs in the future will cost billions if they are in Scottish waters
Report akabula August 15, 2019 5:32 PM BST
If the Shetlanders carry out their threat to seek their own independence in an independent Scotland they would take most of the oil with them.
Report moisok August 15, 2019 5:45 PM BST
Would the Eu prop up the scotishland economy when they scots no longer get our dosh?
Report akabula August 15, 2019 5:50 PM BST
Given our ratio of debt to GDP we'd be forced to accept interference on Fiscal Policy from the EU.
Report moisok August 15, 2019 6:00 PM BST
But even our friends in germany and france do not stick to Eu fiscal policy/rules.

But then as they run it, why not!!
Report akabula August 15, 2019 6:14 PM BST
The EU would actually dictate our Fiscal Policy until such times as we get into line.
I doubt wee jimmy will be screaming EU austerity when the policies kick in.
Report baNjackst August 16, 2019 7:21 PM BST
Whinging Scots
Don't want to be part of UK, but insist the UK remain in Europe. The SNP would remind you of pigeons
Report Kelly August 28, 2019 4:52 PM BST
In the event of a no deal Brexit , the possibility of an independent Scotland is hugely inflated . To re-enter the EU as an independent entity given that a substantial majority want to remain as per referendum .

Bearing in mind that Boris has said that the UK would not be policing the Northern Ireland border , presumably the same would apply to any Scotland / England border , on the grounds of UK wide same procedure as promoted by his allies , the DUP  .

Any of the Brexiteers thought this one out ?
Report Kelly August 28, 2019 5:33 PM BST
Ruth Davidson standing down as Scottish Conservative leader .  Another heads up for the SNP plans for independence ?
Report anxious August 28, 2019 5:35 PM BST
This news today and in the forthcoming weeks will see ruth davidson resign and the tories will lose massive in Scotland and Wales and in about 5 to ten years the union will be finished for ever
Report Kelly August 28, 2019 5:39 PM BST
UK in meltdown under Boris's stewardship .
Report anxious August 28, 2019 5:39 PM BST
So much for the spivs and the DUP securing the union the bribery and underhand deals have actually destroyed the union , is this what the ERG fanatics actually want ?
Report Kelly August 28, 2019 5:43 PM BST
The ERG fanatics just want their own way , no matter what the cost to the country .

They will all be well looked after by their money laundering friends .

But what happens to those who cannot manage to put their hands in the till ?
Report politicspunter September 10, 2019 4:19 PM BST
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-49650206

One of the better Scottish Conservatives Bill Grant to stand down at next election. A popular local MP, he had a chance of holding his seat.
Report sofiakenny September 10, 2019 4:32 PM BST
According to ackie and flush..GOOD RIDDANCE TREASONOUS REMAINER.
Report politicspunter September 10, 2019 4:41 PM BST
Come to think of it, I think that may be Flush's MP.
Report flushgordon1 September 10, 2019 7:15 PM BST
Gordon,

Thanks for your views, which I think are unkind. The PM has an extremely difficult task taking us out of the EU. It is uncharterd waters filled not with sharks but armchair experts and ill informed commentators.

The Conservatives remain our best bet.

Regards Bill Grant.
Report sofiakenny September 10, 2019 7:27 PM BST
Did you call him a traitor flush?Shocked
Report flushgordon1 September 10, 2019 7:46 PM BST
He was defending Mrs May, if I see Bill in the wee windaes I will buy him a pint , he was a friend of my mother in law , God rest her malignant soul.
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