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Clarke (Customs Union)
Boles (Common Market 2.0)
Kyle (Confirmatory Vote)
Cherry (Revoke A50 coming default? Not sure, read this might have changed a bit, it's now parliamentary supremacy)
Bercow currently fending off Brexiteers who are seething about today's business motion and this selection.
Clarke (Customs Union)
Boles (Common Market 2.0)
Kyle (Confirmatory Vote)
Cherry (Revoke A50 coming default? Not sure, read this might have changed a bit, it's now parliamentary supremacy)
Bercow currently fending off Brexiteers who are seething about today's business motion and this selection.
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long afternoon ahead
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Motion G, brought by Joanna Cherry, is Parliamentary Supremacy. This asks the government to seek a further extension if a deal isn't agreed two days before #Brexit. If the EU doesn't accept, MPs will vote between a no-deal Brexit or revoking Article 50.
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Protest in the house
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The year is 3038!, Parliament enact the weekly voting down of "Theresa May Deal",no one can rememeber this ancient weekly tradition or when it started or what it means.
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Theresa May's wax work is rolled out for the vote, lapsy pa?
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No,the automaton, in case of "dance moves".
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Actually I think it should be similar to Uncle Alberts in Only Fools And Horses (the version in Rodders nightmare where Damian is world leader)
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As i said on another thread SS,this should have been done on the day after the referendum result,protocol,parties,whatever were all secondary to the well being of the country. Not knowing what they(UK) want after the leaving date is mind boggling.
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Yes this is what should have been done before Article 50 was activated. But the government has opposed parliament having a say at every stop attempting to run some sort of dictatorship.
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Why isn't She/they being held to account then or is there no one for them to answer to?
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In normal times May would have gone ages ago. But her own party is so divided that they can't oust her.
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Complete waste of time these votes all will be voted down and heading for a leave with no deal..
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Complete waste of time these votes all will be voted down and heading for a leave with no deal..
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3 years after the referendum and Remain being rejected.
Yet parliament is voting on 4 options of Remain tonight?  |
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Customs union drifting 1.55
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Surely he cant give them Wednesday now ffs !
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Boles resigns # feckoff
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even the remoaner clowns can't decide what they want
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Same as it ever was
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This process might look silly, but in reality isn't that silly, it's only looking that way because it's being done now, it should have been done before we even activated Article 50.
If you take away this process, you realise we're just back to May bring back her deal each week, given that it's not even clear she will get it back through the speaker again let and out it actually passing not like there's another proposal seemingly more worthwhile than this. |
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One remarkable thing is how few Tories supported literally any options tonight:
15 for confirmatory referendum (253 against) 33 for Norway+ (228 against) 10 for Revoke to prevent no-deal (260 against) 37 for customs union (236 against) |
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It's because even it's not explicit there's clear a campaign from Tories to talk all these down, they want this process to fail, though f knows what their plan is if it does.
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One reason if not the main reason Boles has resigned is he knows that privately Tory whips have been strongly telling MPs don't vote for his Common Market 2.0 something he believes would get much more support if that wasn't the case.
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This is the strange thing,the tories have never really wanted to leave without a deal now they are voting against everythung i just dony get it,like some that were interviewed tonight seem to be surging even further to the right.That's why these future votes just look a complete waste of time,the ERG were the outsiders they must be taking control...
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This is the strange thing,the tories have never really wanted to leave without a deal now they are voting against everythung i just dony get it,like some that were interviewed tonight seem to be surging even further to the right.That's why these future votes just look a complete waste of time,the ERG were the outsiders they must be taking control...
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It's because government isn't engaging in the process. Those who want no deal voted against everything tonight, most on the government's payroll voted against everything too bar the odd few who voted for maybe 1-2 options. That's most the Conservative party right there.
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When you consider like 160 MPs are on the government payroll.
I mean it's obvious they just want to bring May's deal back again and hope it passes, at what point they give up this strategy though is beyond me. How long can you keep doing this until you finally give it up, a lot of them even doing it atm have to know it's absolute madness what they are currently doing, especially as right now they are driving is into a general election where they will fear being out of power altogether. |
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All those options were against the Tory and Labour manifestos that they stood on to get into Parliament.
That is why so few Tories can break their election promises and vote for any of them. If MPs were honest about their beliefs they would just revoke A50. They must all know a customs union option is worse than being a member. |
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The argument about manifestos is disingenuous as Governments NEVER fulfil all their manifesto promises and many reverse them a lot quicker than two years in.
I do agree with IT's other point although whether revoking is a practical political option must be rather doubtful. n88uk is of course correct that this whole process should have been thrashed out before we triggered Article 50(Labour were equally culpable there)and gone to the EU actually knowing what we want. |
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Not too sure how many manifesto promises have been broken following an instruction from the public !, this comparison suggests a lack of understanding of Brexiters, we were asked, we give a clear mandate to leave, we demand to leave under the terms specified.
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I love these people who think all 17.4 million agreed with their reasoning. As a matter of fact some leavers were talking about the Norway model in favourable terms during the referendum campaign.
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In that case they should have voted remain as it was clear from Mr Cameron "we would leave the customs union", lots of people were talking about lots of things, when the pm says something we should listen imo
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Salmon what advantages does a 'Norway Style deal' have over staying the EU?
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None at all IT. It would be a Brexit of sorts though so you could argue that the wishes of some of the referendum majority (not yajyaj obviously) had been met.
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Btw, welcome back Trader
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Order of preference:
1. Free trade deal with EU. 2. Side deals with the EU. 3. Remain in the EU and veto all new moves to federalisation. 4. Remain as ruler taker with no say in Customs Union/Single Market with the EU. |
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What a waste of time these votes have been,they certainly picked the right day.We pay for Bercow and his cronies to pose for the public.
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