Caroline Flint MP

She sounded pragmatic, this definition of right wing Tory is pretty astounding.https://m.imgur.com/gallery/SjQclIQ

Brexit is a Tory aspiration and she openly wanted a people's vote kicked off the table. Are you saying that is what Labour party members want? She also doesn't support extending the leave date.

Rather than being pragmatic for me Flint and her like are backing themselves into a corner. What do they do when we get closer to the leave date and there is no accepted deal? If they are true to their word they will have to back a no deal Brexit. Isn't that what the most right wing elements of the Tory party want?

To suggest her ideas on Brexit are anything other than right wing is astounding.

She was hand in hand with the Tory on the programme. Little point in them both appearing. In fact today's programme was littered with Brexit sympathisers. I often think Coburn slants the programme in that direction anyway. Just to add balance I look forward to hearing from 4 remainers tomorrow.

Brevity is not a Tory aspiration ,it is the result of a referendum helps a couple of years back, did you miss it?    70% of Conservative constituencies and 60% of Labour constituencies voted to Leave in the EU referendum.

Labour party members are approximately ,350000 with many leaving in the past year ,17.4 million people voted to leave with 64% of seats in Great Britain voting Leave. (This is likely due to the uneven distribution of Remain voters, who tended to cluster in large cities, while Leave voters were more evenly spread.)

the tory minister said houses that had books on the shelves were more likely
to vote remain

are book readers clustered around big cities?

If the books the Koran very likely.

no he was deffo speaking of books in the plural.

but good tangent slipping a bit of bigotry seemlessly into your post

Show me any bigotry in that post ,any , and I will give you a grand , feckin Muppet.

Juan Kerr, The figure below shows the proportions voting remain and leave within different religious groups. Some groups showed an even split between the two options on the ballot (Methodists and Baptists) and some showed a slight preference for one side or the other (Catholics and Church of Scotland / Presbyterian for remain; Jews and other Christian for leave); but more distinct voting patterns are also evident. Those who identify themselves as Anglican or Church of England were clearly in the leave camp – 60% backed Britain leaving the EU and 40% supported staying. Muslims were clearly in the remain camp, with 69% choosing this option and 31% in favour of leaving the EU. Those with no religion (a group with a younger age profile) were in the ‘remain camp’, by 57% to 43%, as were those belonging to other non-Christian faiths (55% to 45%) and those wh o preferred not to disclose their religious affiliation (55% to 45%).

What a complete and utter **** you are donny.

abuse again, how sad!

No just facts , historical and evidential , ****

And not withstanding some of my best friends are not Muslims.

oh dear...

it is funny when you call out  the defenders of the book

funny?

back to more important and money making business

does anyone know the likely result of the burton v man city night ?  how many goals?

only the addicted would bet on that game tonight

You will make more money betting on politics than you will ever make betting on football.

is that why no one makes any money on here then?

too clever to NOT bet on an obvious result

I always wonder what the experts on here think about the millions that get matched on these games

they must all be losers then.  ha ha ha

Oh, folks make money on here allright.

What surprises me is so many are left wing , and they may be making money from those less able , how does this fit with the virtue signalling etc,etc,

If all results were obvious there would be no bookmakers.

city gone from 1.1 to 1.16  I no my plaice  - money maid - soccerball rools

but you asked how many goals not just the result

yes i usually do the goals, and or correct score and lay the draw depending on prices and on the day

sometimes I do sometimes I don't

ever noticed how many 3 - 0s   and 3 -  1s  around too??

Flint is an articulate MP from the (sadly depleted) sensible wing of the party. I wish there were many more like her.

You are throwing your money away guessing like that.

what did you think of my man city 1  -  palace 3  guess  - how did that go???

You will never make a steady profit by guessing at football scores.

juventus 3   0   now go and play with your political points  - you have no idea what I do - so take a pop at someone else

I am simply telling you facts. That's why bookmakers love guessers like you.

no you are not  - you are guessing

I don't go near bookmakers

maybe that is why am so far ahead

you are funny

Exchanges aren't high street bookmakers but they are still bookmakers using a different format where they win every time (via commission).

palace won 3-2

The only thing politics pauper has won on here, is a good hiding every time he comes on spouting his leftie tripe.

you are absolutely correct nellie  - how long was it 1  3  ?  85TH MINUTE  2 -3  BRILLIANT 

have you any idea what the odds are like on a 2   3   or a 3   2   - of course they are high for a very good reason as they are fairly rare but not a bad GUESS as a side punt or even insurance  - but play as you see it while you watch  as I do

I laid the draw too 

ever heard of trading  ho ho ho

from the forum 'GUESSER'

Crippen, you can't count, can't do percentages, don't bet and only come on here to post daily personal abuse at other posters.

Anybody can guess a score and occasionally win. They can't make a long term profit though.

like your continual short sniping trips on here punt

I am just stating general facts regarding betting.

Despite your bragging politics pauper, I don't believe for an instance that you win on here.


You're a dreamer, and an unconvincing liar.

easy to aftertime a profit,

simple as counting threads

Crippen, as I say, all you do is come on here daily and spout personal abuse at other posters.

instant.

some folk put their bets up before the event

top blokes

some folk still like to knock them though

how very odd

politics pauper clearly only comes on here to attack other posters, and routinely uses abuse in order to do this.

Well done moisok, at least there's someone on here who knows what they're doing when they bet.

why do you resent winners crippen?

just pointed out the final score you had posted 3-1 you know the forum only deals in factsfootball trading to slow for me.i like the nba to trade far to much over reaction at times to a basket been scored or missed

I like winners Donny.

It's liars that I resent.

lol, maybe you should read the forum instead of posting abuse
then you might know who the winners are.

What a ****

it is most odd -Crippen - a dear friend  introduced to bf very early on - I made a very big mazoomer dosh stash in quick time - champers and flowers stuff - you know, every one's a winner - couldn't believe it - you can guess the rest.

After that I played around and it took me a very very very long time to get to anything approximate to a system (meanwhile going crazy)

Now it is all about trading/insurance and of course out right bets (at the right time) research,  discipline, watching the games of course (and trading in play)  sometimes greening out when you see a 'come back'  etc etc etc   take a loss when you think you have to (rather than lose your hole steak) he he    -   and carry on with your system if it works. 

get a system that is good for you and stick to it. 

WATCH OUT FOR LATE GOALS  - they seem popular lately

I only ever post abuse back Donny, even someone as biased as you should have noticed that by now.

there you go nellie you know all about trading - best wishes

returning abuse should not preclude you spotting winners and losers

Were you thinking of Totteringham, Mo? I enjoyed that one.

wot I have to say on tottinghamshire is - beware the ides of march - they ain't got a forward line till then!!!

well son is away tired and off form -  able kane is limp(ing)  and alli has fallen over again

really changes one's approach if the goals are cut off

I am about to go live with Cluffy's lot - should be fun.

Delli Alli out till march as well

Good look Mo.

Crippen doesn't bet. He doesn't understand odds or percentages. Why he comes on here and posts daily personal abuse at folks like me who always post their bets in advance defeats me. After all, this is a betting forum. If he doesn't bet, what is he doing here other than to post abuse?

Kiss ,.and make up

How did Flint vote remain?

Whenever you listen to her it is almost frightening her desire to get Brexit over the line. It almost seems that 29 March can't come soon enough for her.

caroline just being sensible.She sees right through her labour colleagues trying to stop Brexit all together

Kiss ,.and make up

No need, pp doesn't mean it. And I forgive him anyway.

Flinty is a looker with a lot of common sense.

I wish they'd have her on This week occasionally. Although don't get me wrong, I still like looking at Liz Kendall's legs.

Gap-toothed traitor.

Who'd have believed you'd come along? (Sweet Caroline)

WATCH OUT FOR LATE GOALS  - they seem popular lately (Thanks Mo,)

I have never viewed Flint as a 'looker' but this issue has given her the chance to get her face back in the limelight again.

Not sure I like the word traitor but I can see where ub is coming from.

It will be tantamount to criminal if the 40 odd Labour MPs who Nandy was talking about see Brexit over the line.

I like her, she respects the will of the people

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/brexit/8353084/caroline-flint-rebel-labour-theresa-may-brexit/#comments

Doesn't even need any bribes.

If they do defy the party line (again) they should be kicked out.

It will be tantamount to criminal if the 40 odd Labour MPs who Nandy was talking about see Brexit over the line.

So you think it criminal if these 40 MPs respect the democratic vote of the electorate?

How many times did Jeremy vote against the party line?

Diff, I dont see a problem with the article, those cross party talks also produced assurances on workers rights and £65 settled status being dropped (cheers cooper), if you still want her kicked out, we'll gladly swap her for Rudd if you like

Without going through all the arguments again she doesn't know for certain what people want now and that is more important than what they wanted three years ago. I am sure MPs are capable of hiding contact from their constituents which doesn't support their arguments. If an MP is in a leave constituency and they believe that Brexit will be harmful to their constituents then their duty is not to simply rubber stamp it. If Flint & Co genuinely voted remain then clearly she is voting for something she doesn't think is a good idea. That doesn't come across at all. 

As regards the party the opposition is there to oppose, not to aid the government, particularly in a right-wing aspiration. If you are instructed then there is no excuse. Failure to do so (either by voting against or abstaining) should result in more just than a ticking off. If they defy the leadership again the likes of Onn, De Piero and their fellow Brexit lovers should be packing their bags.

No one in Parliament has the right to be a remainer now , MPs such as Caroline Flint understand that

It is up to individuals to assess the current situation.

Flint has gone from voting remain to being the staunchest of Brexit supporters. For me a degree of that decision is about putting herself back in the limelight.

If Flint has decided to change her opinion after months of endless debating and talking she is entitled to. To suggest that the opposition has to ALWAYS vote against the Government line is ludicrous. We ask for intelligence in Westminster then expect them to behave like sheep ? This issue,more than most, should be decided on a free vote with Labour,SNP,Libs as well as toriess all voting on what they think is right rather than party whips instructions.

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/149-a-shore-thing-with-caroline-flint-mp_uk_5c6595c0e4b0bcddd40f9950?guccounter=1&guce_referrer_us=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_cs=cYzr4zUfdLtHddK0oztUmw

More of the same.

It seems totally wrong to me people like Flint can openly defy Labour policy with no consequences whatsoever whereas the remainers who are just asking for policy to be enacted are the ones being forced to consider their positions.

flint hasn't changed her mind she,s just decided if the majority of her constituents want   to shoot themselves in the head I,m going to back them,
if the majority of her constituents vote tory at next election,will she join the tory party or carry on fighting for what she believes in

we can take it that if there is a 2nd reff flint will be campaigning for leave and if at the next election labour stand on a remain tkt she wont stand as a labour candidate

Nothing wrong with supporting the people you represent that have seen their living standards drop due to open borders.

If there were a 2nd reff, I would fully expect Caroline to campaign for Remain, nothing treacherous in that

If she thought free movement was such an issue for her constituents then why did she vote remain? If you think she would campaign for remain then she must think her constituents have make a mistake.

The point I was making was about not supporting Labour policy. The members and many in the party know that once Corbyn's token gesture was quickly bounced back they should have moved to support a second referendum as realistically nothing else is on the table. She takes every single opportunity to try and rubbish that idea. In the same breath she talks about not wanting to lose colleagues. Complete hypocrite.

I doubt she would. She has changed her mind about free movement after talking to the concerns of the people she represents.

For a change, why don't you concentrate on the scores of Conservative mps that are not supporting party policy?

well I,m sure caroline and her brexit constituents will be delighted to hear its predicted migration to uk will rise to 700,000 under the tory,s new immigration bill and end to free movement or they could remain in the EU  and have migration to uk of about 300,000 under free movement,

Either way, in a new referendum she has the right to vote as she pleases without any consideration to anybody else, that's how it works

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well I,m sure caroline and her brexit constituents will be delighted to hear its predicted migration to uk will rise to 700,000 under the tory,s new immigration bill and end to free movement or they could remain in the EU  and have migration to uk of about 300,000 under free movement,

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Here we go again. Another day another nonsense post.

If immigration was to rise to 700k a year of people earning over £30k a year something would have to be going very right with the economy.

it aint going to be 30 grand for farming,nhs,carers,etc,etc their going to get special dispensation

Have you got a link to your 700k claim. No where on google.

you don't want a link
I told you the day it was in the daily mail last week ,if you wanted to read it you,d have read it, but you obviously didn't
I,ll ask you again
a,do you think the daily mail didn't print the story
b, I didn't read it,
c, I,m lying
if you think any of the above your an idiot

I have search the mail and no reference to it.

I have searched google as well and no reference to 700k figure.

I am not saying you are lying just saying if you have no reference at all it is likely you misunderstood or misread something.

you asked where it was on the day it was in,why look a week later if you were interested

I looked on the day. No sign of it.

I asked again today because you made the claim again on 2 threads.

It time for you to put up a link or stop making the claim.

I saw an article ref the new immigration policy in the Sun , I cant exactly remember the predicted number because I read the first paragraph and discarded it as nonsense. As for 700,000 I see that 700,000 people in the UK cant speak English .... lets stop the flow now and give the remaining "none English speakers" the opportunity to learn , in the event they fail, feck em off