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Report anxious March 28, 2018 10:43 AM BST
Say chuckky umunna or yvette cooper ?
Report enpassant March 28, 2018 10:43 AM BST
*you
Report enpassant March 28, 2018 10:47 AM BST
Also, why is it that you 'try to come over as being right of centre' ?
Report anxious March 28, 2018 10:48 AM BST
You go on about the left yet your ex boss and mate Bob Crow was a unreconstructed Socialist and a very proud man
Report ufcdan March 28, 2018 11:09 AM BST
The Trotsky millionaire was Bob's nickname Laugh yes anxious him and others like him helped to make my life fairly comfortable, I don't suppose on leaving the underground to take of my wife I wouldn't of got the package I did had it not been for the RMT. As for the Mps you named anxious YES all day long !
Report moisok March 28, 2018 2:49 PM BST
DAN
I remember when you mentioned that test - but it still won't stop uncle joe corbyn from sending you back to the colonies

us 'progressives' will progress without all this centre stuff - its the ball all the way down the left wing  for the onion bag
Report moisok March 28, 2018 2:50 PM BST
ps  bob crow brilliant

my dad, no longer with us, was ASLEF
Report ufcdan March 28, 2018 4:06 PM BST
Sorry to hear your dad's no longer with you moisok. As for ASLEF not got a lot of time for them. They screwed the RMT over many times and don't get me started about TESSA Angry
Report moisok March 28, 2018 7:33 PM BST
Oh dear - I am out of the loop on union stuff since 1988 - such a whimp is me!!  My dad passed on 33 years ago

must look up the aslef/rmt disputes if I can find them
all the best
Report ufcdan March 28, 2018 8:24 PM BST
Basically moisok the management would bow to ASLEF because if they could keep them onside the trains would run so no problems.
Report akabula March 28, 2018 11:37 PM BST
Still with the back benchers aka. I saw that and if you could not see through that I wonder for your objectivity.

Hardly a revelation is it? All you've done is stick up for Corbyn. Has no relevance to the point I made.
As regards him saying "not true" you say this doesn't mean he said he was lying. Struggling with that. Laugh
Report akabula March 28, 2018 11:39 PM BST
Struggling also with the count. Is it 5 or 6 anti Semetic F/B groups Jeremy joined.
Report enpassant March 29, 2018 12:53 AM BST
You're a little ungracious there aka and like a racehorse that has run 30 times or so, you're looking a little exposed now.

I gave you what you asked for, enlightenment.
You choose portray it in a disingenuous way, that is your choice.
If you cannot distinguish the difference between something that is 'not true' and what constitutes a lie, then that needs no comment from me.
Now that leaves you to repost the 'hatred' you claim I have expressed.
Report ufcdan March 29, 2018 10:16 AM BST
Often in the past I've sat shouting at the telly regarding this individual, one of Labour's want to be wealth takers. But those that support Corbyn and his ilk and more dangerously allowing Momentum to have a say. Unless your an out and out commie going after David Lammy FFS really says it all. Crazy
Report enpassant March 29, 2018 10:43 AM BST
'Going after David Lammy' ?
Report jed.davison March 29, 2018 10:55 AM BST
David Lammy - an over-promoted idiot whom I can not stomach - has upset the hard Left by speaking out against the anti-Semitism rife within the Labour Party - and will face deselection for his outburst.

I have for several years attempted to make people on here aware of the visceral hatred of Jews and Judaism within certain sections of the Labour Party, and now Corbyn's chickens are coming home to roost.
Report anxious March 29, 2018 11:27 AM BST
Jed are there no other sections of society or political parties that indulge in this sort of stuff or is only Jeremy and the Labour Party ?
Report enpassant March 29, 2018 11:33 AM BST
Does anyone know when the march was arranged ? Handy for the media and the organisers that a 'like' from 6 years ago was regurgitated a couple of days before the march by yet another disgruntled PLP MP,  became another 'media frenzy' & outraged a whole community....well accept for those from within such communities that have ridiculed the notion that Corbyn is an anti semite and that have publicly (though with much less media coverage oddly) called out the Tory party (and the media), that they say, seem to want to label some Jews as anti semites because they do not buy into the political scheming going on.
Report lfc1971 March 29, 2018 11:36 AM BST
There is a difference between someone who says something wrong, by mistake
and someone who says something wrong , deliberately. The latter group are liars
The latter is what Corbyn was doing, that is what the backbencher believed he was doing, and that is why he spoke up.
So Aka is correct when he says the backbencher was calling Corbyn a liar

Of course that is what he was doing, and that is what he is, not just in this instance
Many of those who would vote for Corbyn are the same, , they can only be what they are, they will not recognise this...
Corbyn is a liar and this is what the backbencher was saying
Houses, gardens,and people these are things I understand.
Report lfc1971 March 29, 2018 11:36 AM BST
There is a difference between someone who says something wrong, by mistake
and someone who says something wrong , deliberately. The latter group are liars
The latter is what Corbyn was doing, that is what the backbencher believed he was doing, and that is why he spoke up.
So Aka is correct when he says the backbencher was calling Corbyn a liar

Of course that is what he was doing, and that is what he is, not just in this instance
Many of those who would vote for Corbyn are the same, , they can only be what they are, they will not recognise this...
Corbyn is a liar and this is what the backbencher was saying
Houses, gardens,and people these are things I understand.
Report anxious March 29, 2018 11:38 AM BST
Ive never read such garbage on this forum before and that takes some doing
Report enpassant March 29, 2018 11:40 AM BST
A 'like from 6 years ago spread across the BBC for several days - Blundering Boris spouting an oft used insult in the House of Parliament, a sexist insult at that, the story buried the day after, so you have to go through the search engine to find it on the BBC site.
Report enpassant March 29, 2018 11:46 AM BST

Mar 29, 2018 -- 5:38AM, anxious wrote:


Ive never read such garbage on this forum before and that takes some doing


I am reluctant to respond to any of lfc's  posts any more - this one appears to not understand the difference between an opinion and a fact.

Report lfc1971 March 29, 2018 11:52 AM BST
I do, I never said anything about it being a fact that Corbyn was a liar
I said it was the opinion held by the backbencher that Corbyn was telling lies, deliberatedly and that is why he felt compelled to speak out

Whether he was or not is a matter of judgement, however Aka is correct in his view that this is what the backbencher was doing, imo
try and keep up
Report enpassant March 29, 2018 11:53 AM BST
Of course that is what he was doing, and that is what he is, not just in this instance
Report lfc1971 March 29, 2018 11:55 AM BST
yes that's my opinion, and that is the backbenchers opinion
That is what Aka was saying , and that is what I am saying
you, for some reason seem to think something else, I don't know why
Report enpassant March 29, 2018 11:57 AM BST
For goodness sake lfc - you have fallen to a depressing level of late and I have to say I am done responding to anything you post from here on in, it really is just not worth reading and certainly (and unfortunately because it once was)not worth replying to.
Report moisok March 29, 2018 2:06 PM BST
Any member of the party had the latest mail whipping up the membership for the elections!!?? I had mine this morning.

Note the use of the Norwich MP's success in use of the media/on line etc quotes and targeting membership
I thought only the russians and trump did this??
Report ufcdan March 29, 2018 2:17 PM BST
Jed are there no other sections of society or political parties that indulge in this sort of stuff or is only Jeremy and the Labour Party ?

Don't know the answer to that anxious but what I do know is 300 cases of anti Semitic issues have arisen since Corbyn took over the leadership................I say leadership LaughLaughLaughLaughLaugh
Report anxious March 29, 2018 2:56 PM BST
Dan i have noted lately that you seem to be on many threads spouting your infantile nonsense , have you been scouring the internet keeping up on current affairs Plain
Report moisok March 29, 2018 3:03 PM BST
Anxious

dan's 'invantilaphobicismist' nonsense is equally matched, yay, even grossly exceeded by your totally one eyed stance.

Did you get our party's latest missive about the wonderful Norwich Mp's super on line/media campaign to get elected and how to manipulate the media and target voters etc
Report anxious March 29, 2018 3:22 PM BST
A wonderful  shiny brochure
Report moisok March 29, 2018 3:23 PM BST
no it wasn't a nice shiny brochure what are you on about

are use a member?
Report moisok March 29, 2018 3:24 PM BST
I must dig it out of the trash bin
Report anxious March 29, 2018 3:41 PM BST
I havent recieved this latest one yet , the online campaign is the new groovy way of targeting members anyway , this is modern times
Report moisok March 29, 2018 3:49 PM BST
You are a member then.  Let me know when you get the new shiny brochure coz it isn't  I do hope I haven't embarrassed you anxious.  I always thought you were one!!  And a member as well ho ho

I am on a roll today

chicken and ham

I am getting better  (the nurse did say)

brilliant wit - I have no equal on here (except my namesake bigmo)

ahead of the rest

and I have become a cultCool
Report anxious March 29, 2018 3:55 PM BST
Moisok i am a member a long standing one , no i havent received the latest leaflet or membership drive , but i did receive a shiny brochure a while ago , maybe they are only sending them too us Northern Dudes ho ho ho
Report moisok March 29, 2018 4:59 PM BST
I have a one sheet fingy, praising this norwich Mp about targeting people!!!!!  Shall I go out with my longbow - is that what they mean?? 

ps  can you raise my 40 plus years membership,  as I sneer condescendingly to the guardian of manchester socialism
Report moisok March 29, 2018 5:01 PM BST
should be  sneer at 

I could have popped down to that demo not far down the road from me!!!Cry
Report ufcdan March 29, 2018 6:31 PM BST
moisok anxious isnt a paid up member like me, i paid my thre quid for a joke. At first i thought it may be a joke that would bite me in the ar$e but its a long game and now looks like its beginning to pay dividends LaughLaughWink
Report anxious March 29, 2018 6:40 PM BST
Dan you daft tory bell your 3 quid helped Jeremy you silly boy , when the revolution arrives you will be toast Angry
Report moisok March 29, 2018 6:46 PM BST
3 quid dan ?? wow!!!   let me see what I pay these days
Report moisok March 29, 2018 6:50 PM BST
21/03/2018    DIRECT DEBIT PAYMENT TO LABOUR PARTY REF  MANDATE NO        £3.05   

obviously not going to show my vast wealth ho ho!!!

it's free little ones PER MONTH!!!
Report akabula March 29, 2018 10:43 PM BST
anxious
Jed are there no other sections of society or political parties that indulge in this sort of stuff or is only Jeremy and the Labour Party ?


TBF there probably are problems in other parties but none as obvious as Labour.
Jeremy doesn't help by attending Hezbollah rallies, calling Hamas his friends, joining 5 anti Semitic F/B groups and supporting anti-Semitic artwork.
Report moisok March 29, 2018 10:47 PM BST
They have been trying to chop his legs off since day one when he said he was standing for leadership.
The careerists and the whole press and tv combined to bury him and failed.

That sure says something. Regardless of your political stance.

What it does say is they hate the idea of ANYONE not following a particular narrative.
Report enpassant March 30, 2018 7:49 AM BST

Mar 29, 2018 -- 4:47PM, moisok wrote:


They have been trying to chop his legs off since day one when he said he was standing for leadership.The careerists and the whole press and tv combined to bury him and failed.That sure says something. Regardless of your political stance.What it does say is they hate the idea of ANYONE not following a particular narrative.


Excellent post, totally agree.

-------------------------------------------------
Aka : still waiting for your side of the bargain.

Report moisok March 30, 2018 1:28 PM BST
I had to laugh. Listened to a rambling account of this whipped up hysteria on sky this morning.  A Labour woman has said the person needed anti semitic training.   WHAT!!!  You need to be trained NOT to be nasty to Jewish people  - I think we have lost the plot.
Report moisok March 30, 2018 1:32 PM BST
Yes and they do it to boris, trump, farage, brexit and the opposite with grooming gangs - implicit support by omission in the grooming case (or hoping it will go away and die as a story) and promoting the Eu.

Tv media has a lot to answer for

their are many things UNPROVEN which are taken as FACT when it suits certain powerful groups

etc etc
Report politicspunter March 31, 2018 2:00 PM BST
http://www.brin.ac.uk/2017/religious-affiliation-and-party-choice-at-the-2017-general-election/

Tables for voting at the 2017 general election based on religious affiliation.
Report treetop March 31, 2018 3:53 PM BST
Interesting detail there pp, thanks for that
Report Dr Crippen April 1, 2018 12:58 PM BST
Apparently it's in social media where anti-Semitism is running riot.
Has any one isolated the ethnicity of most of the offenders yet?
The results could be very interesting and confirm what many of us are thinking.
Report Dr Crippen April 1, 2018 1:04 PM BST
I don't believe the problem is restricted to Labour.
As certain elements get a better foothold in other parties the situation will spread.

We only have ourselves to blame.
The countries in the EU have become the laughing stock of the world.
Report Dotchinite April 1, 2018 1:14 PM BST
It certainly isnt just Labour. Im sure you could find nearly as many racists/anti semites in the BNP for a start.
Report moisok April 1, 2018 1:30 PM BST
I recall the good book, and the added comments, indicate a rather aggressive attitude towards a smallish group of democratic middle east persons.
Report posy April 2, 2018 2:27 PM BST
Well known Jewish labour politicians include this list of luminaries

Gerald Kaufman
Baron Levy....Blair's secret fundraiser
Greville Janner
Leo Abse
Robert Maxwell
Oona King

Whilst I don't want to give the impression that I have any sympathy  with the anti semite tendency in the labour party this motley crew are an unfortunate representation of the race.
Report ufcdan April 2, 2018 9:24 PM BST
So it would seem there is a big problem with anti semitism within the Labour supporters. Now anxious listen carefully this statement wasn't from the Tory spiv fanboy press but the loony left Momentum............oh dear Shocked
Report akabula April 2, 2018 10:24 PM BST
moisok
They have been trying to chop his legs off since day one when he said he was standing for leadership.
The careerists and the whole press and tv combined to bury him and failed.


The problem is moisok that Jeremy gives them the ammunition. you make it read as if the man is a saint being victimised.
Report alun2005 April 2, 2018 11:46 PM BST
And yet another interesting night out for the Labour leadership.

.
https://order-order.com/2018/04/02/corbyn-last-night-met-far-left-group-who-attacked-his-jewish-critics-as-non-jews/
Report akabula April 3, 2018 12:29 AM BST
I saw that Alun, incredible.
Report akabula April 3, 2018 12:32 AM BST
This won't help either.
The Labour party have picked Sameh Habeeb to fight one of the London council elections next month.
Mr Habeeb is the founder and former editor of the Palestine Telegraph notorious for both anti-Semitic and Holocaust Denial content.
Report lfc1971 April 3, 2018 8:25 AM BST
This new labour party will go full out racist if it ever gets into power.
you have only to look at its membership and who votes for it, that's changed and so the labour party has changed
Report enpassant April 3, 2018 10:13 AM BST
Still waiting akabula
Report enpassant April 3, 2018 10:20 AM BST
Corbyn is now speaking to the wrong kind of jew : what we need is a highly sanitised list of who we should speak to, who we should speak about, how we should speak about them and if we should speak at all unless guided. It works for many it seems.
Report anxious April 3, 2018 11:16 AM BST
Is there not anybody who thinks this story has begun to stink like a plot to get rid of Jeremy Corbyn , we have the BBC and most of the biased right wing press and even the Guardian running this story every day quoting any tom dick and harry who wants say that Corbyn is an anti -semite and that the Left wing of the Labour Party are all blackshirts , you have the embittered Blairites like woodcock ,mann etc willing to stick the boot into Jeremy as well doing the work of the tory lie machine
Report Dr Crippen April 3, 2018 11:46 AM BST
I reckon the media are giving him Corbyn an easy time.

If this racism was directed at blacks or Asians, the press would be going berserk and he'd have had police raiding Labour headquarters.

Which shows the institutions involved also have double standards on the question of race.

It appears that open racism against Jews is less serious than racism against blacks or Asians.
Report flushgordon1 April 3, 2018 3:41 PM BST
Pretty sure Jeremy's friends in Hamas,ira Russia are all right behind him.
Report anxious April 3, 2018 4:15 PM BST
Here we have the perfect example of tory trolls at work
Report salmon spray April 3, 2018 4:27 PM BST
Hang on. Jeremy is now criticised for having a meeting with some Jeish group. They are apparently a group that Jeremy's critics don't like.
Isn't THAT a trifle anti-semitic ?
Report salmon spray April 3, 2018 4:27 PM BST
*Jewish obviously but the mad reporter might find Jeish offensive     Sad
Report Dr Crippen April 3, 2018 4:49 PM BST
''Jonathan Arkush, president of the Board of Deputies of British Jews, said: "If Jeremy Corbyn goes to their event, how can we take his stated commitment to be an ally against anti-Semitism seriously?"

BBC News.
Report flushgordon1 April 3, 2018 4:52 PM BST
Depends if the trifle is kosher salmon.
Report ufcdan April 3, 2018 5:24 PM BST
Tory fanboys yet again anxious, change the record mate. Even Momentum have admitted there's a problem within the party and its supporters. On this Judas group, yes they are a Jewish organisation but they are ultra left wing hating their own country, pro their enemies. Remind you of anyone ? And just in case you need a clue. Quote from Diane Abbott "Every defeat of the British state is a victory for all of us" Plain
Report Injera April 3, 2018 5:28 PM BST
Apologies if this has been pointed out before but..

All main political parties, including Labour are very much pro Islam. Therefore by definition they are anti semitic.

At what point will these  Jewish groups see the lunacy in their protestations??

If Corbyn distances himself from what the Jews see as anti semitic groups, he is STILL supportive of the spread of Islam!!!!!!!! (as are May, Cable + Sturgeon)
Report salmon spray April 3, 2018 7:28 PM BST

Apr 3, 2018 -- 10:49AM, Dr Crippen wrote:


''Jonathan Arkush, president of the Board of Deputies of British Jews, said: "If Jeremy Corbyn goes to their event, how can we take his stated commitment to be an ally against anti-Semitism seriously?"BBC News.


That's beyond belief.

Report enpassant April 3, 2018 7:38 PM BST
Those that are accepting these pathetic stories are not really interested by whether someone is anti semetic or not becuase they have no objectivity on the subject of Corbyn. It a farce.
Report lfc1971 April 3, 2018 7:48 PM BST
labour party voters have to recognise that it has changed beyond recognition, because its mps have changed and its membership has changed and its voters have changed, to something dangerous
Report politicspunter April 3, 2018 7:56 PM BST
Lol
Report moisok April 3, 2018 8:02 PM BST
aka  you said i was building corbyn up or some such idea

what about the rest I have mentioned and the issues

everyone continually attacked??  Like I said - anyone who steps outside a particular agenda seems to get hammered.

I would say that is the case about the envy of people who have made lots of money as entrepreneurs - another example.

As if it was wicked to build a firm and make lots of dosh.  Many of them are often unconventional.
Report lfc1971 April 3, 2018 8:06 PM BST
corbyn is merely the symptom, its a much wider problem
Report akabula April 3, 2018 8:08 PM BST
enpassant
Still waiting akabula


So am I. All you did was defend Jeremy as per usual.
Report akabula April 3, 2018 8:11 PM BST
The clock is ticking for Jeremy and his fanboys don't like it.
Report Dr Crippen April 3, 2018 8:22 PM BST
labour party voters have to recognise that it has changed beyond recognition

I'll second that.
Harold Wilson would turn in his grave if he were alive today, and saw how his party is being used by people who have an agenda based on hatred and envy.
Report anxious April 3, 2018 8:42 PM BST
Absolute drivel from the tory hypocrites on here
Report anxious April 3, 2018 8:43 PM BST
So exsposing the bent tory system is hatred and envy now ?
Report akabula April 3, 2018 8:45 PM BST
anxious seething. Laugh
Report flushgordon1 April 3, 2018 9:28 PM BST
Have Labour found the ark of the covenant yet, or has Indiana Mogg thwarted them.?
Report treetop April 4, 2018 11:00 PM BST
Its laughable that Corbyn thought he could dupe the media by visiting a Jewish group renowned for hating Israel and think he could pass it off as a step for reconciliation with the Jews. The mainstream jews knew what Judae was about and he thought the rest of the media wouldn't pick up on that,what a clown !
Report salmon spray April 5, 2018 9:40 AM BST
There is obviously an argument that Corbyn should meet with a pro-Zionist,pro-Israel group of Jews as well but I imagine he probably rightly calculates that if he disagreed with them about anything he would be accused of anti-semitism.
Report Dr Crippen April 5, 2018 2:36 PM BST
I don't think Corbyn cares what anybody thinks about him.

He's always been the same. It's a case of take it or leave it what you see is what you get.

Whether the responsibilities of high office would temper his radical views is another matter.
Report lfc1971 April 5, 2018 3:27 PM BST
Did he disagree with anything said by the jewish group he met
And did he stand there nodding like a donkey
Report lfc1971 April 5, 2018 3:30 PM BST
He is incapable of disagreeing, with certain groups, he is cowardly and dishonest that way
Now he said it was important to listen, not at all it is important not to listen and tell a few home truths
Did he learn anything by listening? what was it
Report salmon spray April 5, 2018 3:52 PM BST
Neither you nor I know the answers to any of the questions you have raised lfc.
Report anxious April 5, 2018 4:05 PM BST
There are more questions than answers .....
Report lfc1971 April 5, 2018 4:12 PM BST
that's ok, sometimes questions are more important than answers, more beautiful
Report lfc1971 April 5, 2018 4:16 PM BST
now salmon seems to think that corbyn would have no difficulty disagreeing with a Zionist pro Israel group, and you couldn't shut corbyn up for letting everyone know

but this particular jewish group, any disagreements?
I don't know , complete silence
Report enpassant April 7, 2018 2:33 AM BST
Totally disingenuous aka - We both know you made a claim you cannot back up and have run from the issue.
My search for right wing poster, that can debate, must move along as you are not that poster.
Report enpassant April 7, 2018 2:36 AM BST

Apr 4, 2018 -- 5:00PM, treetop wrote:


Its laughable that Corbyn thought he could dupe the media by visiting a Jewish group renowned for hating Israel and think he could pass it off as a step for reconciliation with the Jews. The mainstream jews knew what Judae was about and he thought the rest of the media wouldn't pick up on that,what a clown !


Given the media jump on anything he says, does, did, didn't do, wears, looks like and more: your point seems a very unlikely one indeed.

Report flushgordon1 April 7, 2018 9:10 AM BST
How can he square the circle with mainstream Jewry ,whilst supporting Hamas?
Report enpassant April 7, 2018 9:46 AM BST
You say he supports Hamas : could you put the facts to show this ?
Report Dr Crippen April 7, 2018 10:16 AM BST
Corbyn refers to them as ''our friends.''
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