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because even if the two wings of the Tory Party are determined to block each other it will suit both factions to agree to a second Brexit referendum rather than precipitate a general election.
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An additional excellent point has just been made by a guest on CNBC. Under the Fixed Term Parliament Act there needs to be a two thirds majority in the House of Commons to force an election. Even if a rebel element defeat the Government it is extremely unlikely that a two thirds majority could be achieved.
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well the "excellent point" is nonsense. A motion of no confidence just requires a simple majority.
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http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2011/14/section/2
subsection (3) FYI |
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Rebel Tories voting against the government on specific issues is one thing but voting against in a motion of no confidence seems very unlikely.
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can really only be used if there is a minority government, of course in theory its possible but unlikely
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No reason May cannot be pm in 4 years time, or possibly stand down just before 2022 election
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as long as the ulster unionists remain pragmatic and don't lose their nerve that would be the best outcome
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Or maybe ask for another BIllion pounds or two
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good, they deserve it
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If there are attacks on our schools the government has a duty to protect those schools with armed security personnel, anything less is failing in their duty of care and if it happens again any parent who loses a child or has a child injured should sue the government for millions of dollars and ministers and officials should be taken to court and sentenced to jail
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* sorry wrong thread
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pogle 26 Feb 18 09:41
Rebel Tories voting against the government on specific issues is one thing but voting against in a motion of no confidence seems very unlikely. That might or might not be true. The "excellent point" wasn't. |
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may can tag a no confidence motion onto any vote
john major did same i doubt she will, but she could |
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not sure that is the case now Donny. This seems like it has to be a separate motion.
(3)An early parliamentary general election is also to take place if— (a)the House of Commons passes a motion in the form set out in subsection (4), and (b)the period of 14 days after the day on which that motion is passed ends without the House passing a motion in the form set out in subsection (5). (4)The form of motion for the purposes of subsection (3)(a) is— “That this House has no confidence in Her Majesty's Government.” (5)The form of motion for the purposes of subsection (3)(b) is— “That this House has confidence in Her Majesty's Government.” |
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title of bill is in her hands, if she lost motion she has 14 days to win another vote of confidence or else an election would occur
a formal motion would be tabled and agreed as was case at last election |
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The last election was based on the 2/3 rule not on no confidence. I thought it was a tactical mistake for Labour to agree to it. They should have forced the government to vote no confidence in itself.
I think in the pre-2011 arrangements a bill could be made a matter of confidence or a separate motion was voted on. If the government lost, they had to call an election. There was no fourteen days wait. It's all a bit irrelevant anyway as the narrative that leads to an election would be the failure to pass some significant piece of legislation or an amendment that causes the DUP to toypram, following which a motion is tabled. |
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The last election was based on the 2/3 rule not on no confidence...yes thats right, but it was agreed
I think in the pre-2011 arrangements a bill could be made a matter of confidence or a separate motion was voted on. If the government lost, they had to call an election. There was no fourteen days wait...yes again that seems to be how it was if may tags on a vote of no confidence now, and lost, and a separate bill is not won within 14 days an election would happen i think its probably irrelevant too, as i doubt she would survive long enough as party leader to see the vote if she used majors device |
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Dave - a quick read of Wikipedia informs me that minority governments are in fact much more stable thanks to the Fixed Term Parliament Act. Even a vote of no confidence in the Prime Minister ( rather than the government ) will not trigger an election.
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I don't recall a "vote of no confidence in the Prime Minister". When was the last one?
I don't know why you are persisting with this. The only difference with a minority government now and pre-2011 is they get 14 days after the no confidence motion to reverse it. |
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I am persisting because debating helps me to increase my knowledge of this important issue - my motive is not to ‘ win ‘ an argument.
I can see that the CNBC guest was wrong to emphasise the two thirds rule but from what I have read on Wikipedia the FTP Act makes it easier for rebels to vent their anger without actually precipitating a general election. |
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a vote of confidence in the prime minister is an internal conservative vote by mps to rid themselves of a leader they may dislike, and not a vote in open parliament.
it takes 15% of tory mps to request, by writing to 1922 committee and if the leader is removed, you are correct there will not need to be an election although a new leader may choose to contrive an election |