May MUST resign if can't form majority gov in time for HM's Speech?

John Major says she should soldier on without 'em.

No young man!

I am not sure of protocol or precedent but she does not have to resign and trigger a leadership contest if she cannot cut a deal with the Terrorist DUP.

If the Queen's Speech is defeated her position becomes untenable however but I am pretty sure a vote of no confidence may be required technically or otherwise to force her to speak to the Queen about dissolving her current Government. The Queen may then ask Jezza to try and form a Government or Kitten Heal may resign as Leader of the Conservative and Unionist Party and suggest to the Queen that a new Conservative leader may be in a better position to form a new Government than Jezza.

I believe Harold Wilson lead a minority Government between 1974 and 1976.

The terrorist DUP you say WD.
Lets look at their leader Arlene Foster.
Was 8 when the ira broke into her home and shot her father through the head.
The killer was recently praised by a SF councillor.
She was 10 when the ira blew up her school bus and she was lucky to survive.
Given that background I think it's a testimony to her good character that she is willing to sit in government with SF.
Now I'm assuming you knew that and were maybe referring to some other DUP MPs.
Care to give us the details or were you merely trying to score a cheap point?

Thanks for explanation. I see... I think

So, sounds like HRH might decide then.  Not good for May I'd guess, especially if HRH's yearly Ascot jaunt is messed up!

Regardless of Arlene Foster's background  DUP just like Sinn Fein - have very real terrorist links.

My own view is both have veered more towards a non-violent route for their aims - so should be fully engaged with - there is  no choice anyway.

Akabula,

Did I mention Arlene Foster?

But seeing as you mentioned her

Given that background I think it's a testimony to her good character that she is willing to sit in government with SF.


Her " Good Character " has cost the people of Northern Ireland £400 million over the next 20 years as a result of her corruption!

Let's look at the previous leader of the DUP who was a Terrorist shall we. You are a hippocrite of the highest order akabula. Don't get on your high horse with me!

Update... been Googling more on this and found:

"
When will things be finalised?
The first deadline is Tuesday 13 June, when the new Parliament meets for the first time.
Mrs May has until this date to put together a deal to keep herself in power or resign, according to official guidance issued by the Cabinet Office  [ see http://www.parliament.uk/about/how/elections-and-voting/general/hung-parliament ].
She is entitled to wait until the new Parliament to see if she has the confidence of the House of Commons.
The government then needs to see if it can assemble the votes it needs to get its programme of proposed new laws passed in the Queen's Speech, which is scheduled for Monday 19 June.
This is when it will be relying on the DUP's support.
"

Source http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40209087

If the BBC says so, must be correct

why should anyone do anything

we are striking back

look at manchester's effort against the islamic terrorists in france

TheManFromUtopia
13 Jun 17 22:47

Thanks for explanation. I see... I think

A lot of us are confused! I have no idea where it is heading but I suggest her days are numbered as Prime Minister and Leader of the Conservative Party.

The knives are being sharpened by the Conservatives already. I am not sure who Rupert Murdoch has in mind to be our next Prime Minister but I was deeply concerned to see Gove raising his duplicitous head. I would hazard a guess that the Conservatives will remain in Government at least for a few months as the Jezza threat is quite real for now. They may even keep the lame duck May on to stop the boat rocking further but I don't expect her to be PM for much more than 6 months.

Whatever happens it will be exciting!

The think the Queens Speech will effectively be the vote of confidence as you have said the BBC indicated. If she cannot pass the Queens Speech she will not be able to Govern and would have to speak to the Queen.

Her " Good Character " has cost the people of Northern Ireland £400 million over the next 20 years as a result of her corruption!

And you can provide proof of her corruption? Links please?
And you mention the previous leader. What terrorist group was he in?

The DUP like SF get their votes because of the nature of Irish politics.
ie each appeals to a specific side of the divide.
Each will have sympathy for their side as it were but don't confuse this with being an actual terrorists as regards the DUP.

Are you stupid akabula?

Are you saying the DUP had no terrorist links and Peter Robinson wasn't a member Ulster Resistence?

I wonder if Arlene Foster has syspathy for the victims killed or injured by the guns supplied by Peter Robinson and his Terrorist Gang?

next you will be saying Iris didn't have an affair with a 19 year old boy and give him money?

Or will you ask me if I saw them at it and saw her give the kid the money?

I still can't see Corbyn getting his alternative Queens speech passed either. He needs all of the Lib Dems, all of the SNP and some of the DUP to support him. Any DUP member who supports a close ally of Sinn Fein would surely lose their seat at the next election. Irish have long memories. If Mrs May can't form a Government then Corbyn gets the next chance. If they both get defeated on their Queens speech proposals I assume there would be another election. What a mess. However if Mrs May puts forward a Queens speech which all of the parties would agree with she can carry on but not be able to pass any significant bills.

Yer clutching at straws with that post at 00.43 WD.
Not only that but disingenuous as well.
That post has Just Googled written all over it.
Why not reread the article you googled and see where you are going wrong.
Anyways 10 current DUPs, post there links to terrorism.

You threw your dummies out of your pram akabula

You put them back!

I remember the story well Mrs Robinson!

You know they say the IRA were thugs and Gangsters. What is so different between them and the Loyalist Death Squad's?

What other deals did The Robionson's do with property developers?

Peter Robinson's links to Terror Groups is well documented. Again for the record look back at what you wrote!

The DUP's links to terror groups go all the way back to The very REVEREND Ian Paisley. Maybe you should think about what you write before trying score a cheap point!

To say that the DUP and its MPs have terrorist links is wrong. Yes the loyalist terrorists shared the same political aims as Paisley and other loyalist MPs .
Just as Corbyn shared the ame political aims as SinnFein and the republican terrorists.
Will wd vote for Corbyn and the Labour Party ? I don't know.

Nobody who is prepared to vote for Corbyn and the Labour Party should be lecturing and lording about the DUPbecause it makes me want to laugh and jeer

Has Corbyn ever condemned the IRA for murdering men women and children, has he ever condemned sinnfein or the people who voted sinnfein and terrorist murderers in as their MPs to represent them.
Until he does so, and if you vote labour pipe down about the DUP

deal or no deal we arnt really suggesting the dup will vote against the queens speech through spite because they couldn't screw us for a few billion

money well spent, give them everything they want .

Do the British people really want their "tax payers" money to be spent in this way (especially at such times of austerity) ? ........... the words "bribe" and even "ransomware" come to mind

Not good at all.......... the hole gets deeper and deeper for Mrs May.......... is she listening or engaging yet? Or still in robot mode

On the subject of Sinn Fein and putting aside political views, I wouldn't mind giving that Elisha Mccalion one

If the DUP don't vote with the Tories there will be a Conservative minority government.

Only Labour want another election now , so the other parties will not all combine against the Tories.

Though i do think May would have to go as she has set a lot of store in this DUP deal and would be final straw for her.

I'm not sure Labour really want another election now. With the economy stalling and the brexit negotiations looking certain to be a rough ride,

another six months to a year would suit Labour fine.

Perhaps they'd be happy to wait , but there is no way Labour could not vote down a Tory Queens' Speech.

The SNP and Lib Dems would vote against if they were confident the DUP would abstain.

Totally right Tobermory - they'll try to vote it down, but if they dont succeed, they'll be happy to wait.

i wouldn't imagine even labour is that desperate for an another election any time soon. they cost a fortune and party coffers must be running on empty

Jeremy will be waiting i think , he knows its only a matter of time

As he said on the Andrew Marr show ' I've got youth on my side '

The young dudes/ dudettes are all for him

well my membership is up to date so they have my 3s 6d every month

duffy
15 Jun 17 17:01

On the subject of Sinn Fein and putting aside political views, I wouldn't mind giving that Elisha Mccalion one


Kwality post! Love and lust recognise no religion!

Mrs May visits the tragic tower block inferno site............ and doesnt speak with or even to the community directly............ everything she touches is "very poor".......... very poor indeed...... she is in no way representative of the people......... a total liability at every level.......... and still as "robotic" and inhumane as ever

French conservative candidate attacked and knocked to the ground on election campaign . She was struck with such force and knocked unconscious.
people cannot be trusted now, they become more and more violent and angry , look at the reaction of leftists to politicians such as Trump who has said he does not want to visit Britain.

Mrs May is finished. That much is clear. The knives will be out for her because if they don't then they will be next for sure in the ensuing General Election. The people are awakening

We are many they are few!

one would have to be half mad not to be shy of people.

I'm a dyed in the wool Conservative however TM is undoubtedly finished and i'm sure plans will be afoot to dump her just as soon as the current political impasse has been resolved and the Brexit negotiations are underway.Unelected leadership coronations have a poor record what with her and Gordon Brown !

Jun 13, 2017 -- 10:45PM, akabula wrote:

The terrorist DUP you say WD.Lets look at their leader Arlene Foster.Was 8 when the ira broke into her home and shot her father through the head.The killer was recently praised by a SF councillor.She was 10 when the ira blew up her school bus and she was lucky to survive. Given that background I think it's a testimony to her good character that she is willing to sit in government with SF.Now I'm assuming you knew that and were maybe referring to some other DUP MPs.Care to give us the details or were you merely trying to score a cheap point?

excellent post

How quickly this saga moves along eh? Can't keep up!  At this rate the question of a DUP deal or not is irrelevant to her own survival.

And the latest in her endless catalogue of catastrophes - her reluctance to meet the Grenfell survivors, apparently because her personal security is more crucial than even The Queen's!  It's surreal that she could be sooo out of touch with the people, reality and common sense. 

Daily she's becoming more of a liability and embarrassment to the Tories.  I can just about see why they originally tried to cut their losses by 'rallying round' her at the 1922 meeting through gritted teeth, not least with BoJo cringingly leading the pack with his full endorsement - but hey, the pre-election buy-off Foreign Secretary job is well worth him clinging onto.

My guess now is that the party will not dare to wait until even Wednesday, while she inflicts yet further damage in the meantime - whatever their current hopes & fears for the DUP deal outcome.  If she still refuses to jump, she must be pushed, and swiftly, in the best interests of the party and the nation.

Very good post utopia. I think you are right. Now waiting for the first to thrust a dagger into her back!

Coward they called her!

If she stands down with immediate effect then presumably Damian Green or Hammond will step up to temporarily take her place until a contest can be organised;just can't see it happening before Wednesday.
Presumably she's been sidelined and having very little input to the Queen's Speech;expect Gove is playing a main role in drawing it up.
Might need to get riot police to sort out the agitators.

I can't see her standng down posy. She is deluded. Someone has to plunge the knife into her back. That is the Tory way!

she needs to stop listening to advisors and start acting on her own

She and the Spiv Party have no real power now , thank the Lord for that

Jun 16, 2017 -- 10:14PM, Whisperingdeath wrote:

I can't see her standng down posy. She is deluded. Someone has to plunge the knife into her back. That is the Tory way!

Think I agree WD - except perhaps if she's served up the stark choice of being sacked or 'leaving of her own accord' she might indeed do the latter, as the lesser of indignations on offer.  This is a choice she's not yet had to face.  But then, that would be a sensible person's decision - so very hard to call in her case!  She confounds me every day.

Looks like Hammond for one is chomping on the bit to get his sweet revenge and begin the slaughter, lol.  Pure entertainment!

She could always stand down with dignity on "health grounds"....... a win-win for all ;)

I really like her quite a lot.

You didnt say that the other week lfc , i think you might be losing your grip old boy , perhaps recent events have destabilised your equalibriaum.

: ) well you may be right anxious, I think she is too nice, it can be a mistake to elect someone nice as your leader. She needs someone like Tebbit at her side to help her take the courage to look clearly at how things look like in our cities at present .
Will she lose her job? I hope not, I am a little afraid and a little bit not afraid.

If you are a leader you must not lack the courage to oppress the leftists and liberals and communists in the media and in the streets.
She should not listen to lectures from the likes of newsnights Emily Mailand and the embittered oppressed .

There have been mistakes made , now either that cladding was used and was legal to use or it was not. That is a very simple matter to find out, was it properly installed ? That should be possible to discover also.
Until then the trouble makers should shut up.

What do we know happened in the first minutes of the fire, what took place then ? That is something that should be focused on . Why have so many people died, it seems inexplicable , but unless we look closely and honestly at this time period nothing will be learnt.

Did the outside cladding contribute , and was it unfit for purpose ? The inquiry will let us know , it seems it was and went up in flames very quickly.
However that could give a misleading impression of a very severe fire, in the outside, but this does not mean it was so severe inside , if the cladding was so combustible it would give a false impression of the true severity of dangers within.
And there may have been time, if a different approach was taken to get everyone out.

now it will take courage and honesty to look at what decisions were made on the ground, at the time, and who made those decisions and why they were made.
Does anyone recall the case , in the past of people drowning while police stood and watched unable to help because of health and safety guidelines ? What are the guidelines ?

We need people in organisations who can think quickly , and act bravely.

Practical people, who make the decisions themselves, not being told what to do by superior officers .
That never works.

Yep, best thing to do when faced with a burning building is just to wing it, not to have any kind of plan. Don't suppose the police had planned for the marauding terrorist attack either.

You need a certain type of person in an emergency, especially in a case like this which is unusual.
It takes someone who is brave and intelligent and practical and can think clearly , not someone sitting behind a desk.

The group must function from within itself.

scots reff
eu reff
ilbdem coalition
general election
dup supply and confidence
5 years fixed parl
boundary changes

all nothing to do ,with doing the right thing for the country but all done to keep the torys in power for as long as possible,their mantra is to hold power no to help people unless your rich or big buisness

SPEECH TO BE PUT OFF .. UNTILL BREXIT IS AGREED IN 2 YEARS ..  ..
Running on the spot comes to mind .. We go nowhere .. year on year anyway .. so no change at the top ..
Mistakes abound now on a daily basis ..  ...T.M.   Bullied everyone into an election nobody wanted except herself as she slung   everything at poor J.C.   who took it all in no retaliation .. Waiting his chance he was not ready for .. as came too soon .. LOWER LIFE PEOPLE WITH LITTLE HAVE A LOT OF POWER NOW IT IS GOT TO BE USED IN  BEST POSSIBLE WAY TO GET REAL CHANGE .  WE ARE ALL FED UP WITH RED TAPE .. AND VERY POOR DECISIONS .. ON OUR BEHALF .. ?? Knock them high tower blocks down as an urgency ..  Many councils  have done so already .. All be told to follow .

I think the trouble makers (who ever they are you must mean people asking questions and demanding responses) should be making even more and more noise.
People and organisations have been coming forward and causing trouble by revealing many things wrong with regulations and political ignorance and obfuscation even as long ago as 19 years.
Once councillor was ignored for raising the issues over this black she was also branded as a TROUBLEMAKER.

she was right    -  is this the sort of TROUBLEMAKER you are on about?

black!!!!   I mean block!!!