tommy robinson and the gutless press

Amazing

Not one could answer his question which was simple enough.

''Why do you describe me as far right?''

Everybody seems unable to justify why they call him far right.

To call someone far-right is to associate them with fascism. Yet I doubt if they could explain what fascism is either.   

Take Labour and their problems with anti-Semitism. Does anybody ever them call them far right?
Yet the BNP were tarred with the far-right brush from the word go. And they're no worse than many members of the Labour party.

What anti semitism in Labour are you referring to exactly ?

Which one do want empassant?

Here take your pick:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/mar/18/labour-antisemitism-jews-jeremy-corbyn

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/713743/anti-semitism-norm-Labour-Party-Jewish-MP-reveals-racism-rife

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36157027

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/Jeremy_Corbyn/12193925/The-Labour-Party-is-increasingly-anti-Semitic.html

There's plenty more out there as well if that isn't enough.

Anti Semites such as Gerry Downing have been expelled, Vicky Kirby suspended but these individuals and others, have been called what they are and dealt with.Splitting hairs about how to define this individual only takes way from what he is. Call him far right or simply racist, either way he is what he is.

"racist"........oh that beauty

Aah more of the smiley face.

Apr 29, 2017 -- 5:26PM, enpassant wrote:

Anti Semites such as Gerry Downing have been expelled, Vicky Kirby suspended but these individuals and others, have been called what they are and dealt with.Splitting hairs about how to define this individual only takes way from what he is. Call him far right or simply racist, either way he is what he is.

Anti-semites are rife in the Labour party. Those who have been suspended have been let back in. Possibly the most high profile anti-semite was kept in the party.

You don't solve a problem with anti-semitism by saying it doesn't exist and shouting troll at anyone who challenges you.

Troll

Apr 29, 2017 -- 9:04PM, enpassant wrote:

Troll

Well, that says it all. Why post if you aren't willing to debate your opinion?

I don't know if you are used to people just agreeing with you, but posting 'troll' because you can't think of anything to back up your opinion is pretty poor form.

enpassant ...........please list a few of the "racist" comments or actions of tommy robinson


thankyou in advance

He, along with several of his mates, bravely racially abusing ( and not so brightly, videoing it themselves)a London underground worker.



He exposes his views to scrutiny (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gg1O-SBJ8UY)and the utter hypocricy in his ideology



That he is being (only by comparison to his earlier self) cuter now, about his darker side for his own benefit does not change his inate bigotry.

Such discourse as this can often degenerate into semantics. For me his words and actions speak loudly.

enpassant
What anti semitism in Labour are you referring to exactly ?

I had the same problem as you enpas. I mean there is so much of it. People need to be specific.

Individuals are what they are. Sweeping generalisations do an injustice to issues. UKIP supporters tend to say a few bad apples ect but then when other organisations have issues the entire thing is blamed. People want to have it both ways.

Chakrabarti`s investigation into anti semitism in the Labour party led to her getting into the House of Lords and not much else

so what if robinsons storys,videos etc wernt done by him but lets say for example chris brunt on sky would yopu be calling brunt far right,racist etc,
you seem to be saying the videos etc are correct but the messenger wrong

I am not sure that was directed at me but if so : I go along with the law. I hold individuals responsible for their actions. I believe he (is a racist) wants to earn from all this and is using this very divisive message to do that and in doing so is pandering to bigotry knowing that is his audience in the main.
If you are referring to any particular video I am willing to look at it and answer specifically.

https://youtu.be/3grn84gya58

What very divisive message enpassant?
Can you show a clip of him being racist?

Unpleasant fellow ;should be in prison for life to save time and money for continually being imprisoned/released/imprisoned/released; scum who contributes nothing to society.

posy - what has he done to you - it must have been something quite horrible.

Mind you, I suppose going against the mainstream or establishment view of islam will always draw a great deal of anger and invective.

It is incorrect to attack a religion.  However in this case it is a cult and not a religion.

But writing in the guardian in its favour is fine. This is typical mainstream approved story telling to deflect from the major problems Islam faces.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/may/08/combat-radicalisation-hope-security-regressive-utopias-extremists#comment-98107592

Aka : I can only assume your first question is rhetorical.
However your second is more problematic. The original story was on the news, quite some time ago, and was used in an interview with him. I have searched for it but cannot find it anywhere.

may i remind you the jewish population continue to vote labour more than any other party...livingston and a few momentum nuts who go on about conspiracys is not a problem inside the labour party..its blown out of all preportion..ive been to many meetings and never ..repeat never saw or herd any such anti jewish retoric..corbyn showed his incompetence by the way he handled this sham of a inquiry

tommy robinson..is right wing ,is he far right?thats for others to judge!

Has Tommy Robinson ever said what he politics are?

To me, left is public ownership and right is private ownership.

Why should being anti Islam put anyone on the right or the left?

I read something the other day.

goes like this

'why invite something in that wants to destroy you'?

In a Jewish Chronicle poll in May last year tony57, only 8.5% of respondents said they would be voting Labour. So remind everyone whatever you like, but make it accurate.

Also, it's my understanding that you are a Northerner, so it's unlikely the sort of Labour people you would have mixed with would be guilty of the sort of casual and institutional anti-semitism which absolutely infests the Labour Party in North London - the clique which currently has control of Labour.

It doesn't really matter whether he's left or right wing he has been a criminal and
broken the Law and deserves no respect from anyone.He is an outspoken brat who is
out to divide people.

No he isn't. He's out to save people.

In a way he's very similar to the Jehovah's Witnesses - he may not be all that popular, but he's only trying to help.

He's a bit like the bloke with the placard "The End of the World is nigh!"

Sadly, both will be right in the end.

It's amazing how this pure racism in the Labour party hasn't blown up in Labour's face and been splashed all over the pages of the press ad nauseam.

Think of how it's being swept under the carpet, and contrast it to the situation we had at last GE, when the slightest hint of racism from anyone connected with UKIP was guaranteed to be on the national news for days on end.

Now watch Anna Soubry lashing McDonnell on Question Time over it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyjM9TY8dcQ

''She added to gasps from the audience: “And I tell you something else Mr McDonnell, you are a very nasty piece of work.”

“There are colleagues of mine in House of Commons, Labour MPs, who are at the point of being terrorist by McDonnell and his cronies,” she said.

“There are women MPs who suffer day in and day out from misogynist, unpleasant, sexist abuse on Twitter, on Facebook, from people who are apparently within their own party.

“There is a Jewish Labour MP, a women, who is living in safe house because of the level of anti-Semitism she has to bear.”


Soubry said many Labour MPs were “so frightened, humiliated, almost terrorised by Mr McDonnell and his gang they will leave politics”.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/bbc-question-time-descends-into-angry-row-as-anna-soubry-brands-john-mcdonnell-a-nasty-piece-of-work_uk_57db2292e4b028e52a100b91

A far right movement is one that promotes a political ideology that rejects the principle of human equality !!

Well that applies to Labour surely.

Still waiting on someone producing a clip of TR being racist.

Wasn't TR once a member of a racist organisation called the BNP ?

Yes and left it for that very same reason.
Clutching at straws with that one.
Still no clips of Tommy saying anything racist.

dont worry aka ........enpassent will be along shortly

Anyone stepping outside a clearly defined central position will be hammered by the establishment, its puppets and supporters like the msm for instance
They are at it constantly.  You should have seen the puppets wriggling on sky early today when one of the guests suggested a big win for corbyn and what would happen (it was tongue in cheek) but the reaction of the rest was of horror   - the noise and squealing etc  - they simply didn't get it.  But then what on earth would you expect from sky news - they hate corbyn, trump, farage le pen etc etc.   And don't mention the I word or the M word. Their salaries depend on being nice and bland.  Keep the ship steering down the middle of the channel.

May 9, 2017 -- 12:17AM, akabula wrote:

Still waiting on someone producing a clip of TR being racist.

I addressed the point when you asked earlier. How far right or left ois one thing but how far one needs to bury their head in the sand is another !

See above.

May 9, 2017 -- 10:07AM, broadsword wrote:

dont worry aka ........enpassent will be along shortly

see above

north london indeed does have a big jewish pop, but so does the north..manchester for excample, leeds..liverpool is now only a few hundred as most moved out in the 80s after thatcher destroyed the city...but as i said before a few idiots does not reflect a big problem inside the party...8% is well below what i have experience of..25% is more like it ..at one time it was over 50..
www.jlm.org.uk is just one group..there are many more..at confrence there are many meetings during the week about jewish issues ..israel etc..the way the media portray that jews are jumping ship is plain wrong..yes there is a problem..but as them who they will vote for ..

I'm not talking about the Jewish population Tony, I'm talking about the attitude of the Labour Party towards that population. In North London it is hostile, but as I said above I wouldn't think it was as hostile in the North.

enpassant .....just another saira khan type

   https://youtu.be/KB7XaPT71eg

May 9, 2017 -- 10:32PM, broadsword wrote:

enpassant .....just another saira khan type   https://youtu.be/KB7XaPT71eg

Generalisations now eh ? You're a class act geez.

He's been arrested this morning for attending Canterbury and attempting to film the Muslim rapists.  Police turned up at his house at 4-30am in order to carry out this arrest.  Amazing.

i see jed, yes your not far wrong..but i do think its only the momentum nuts

Poor bloke  can't stop himself helping vulnerable children, a beacon of hope and love in a World of hate is our Tommy....

He was arrested for illegal filming after being given a warning.

Okay he broke the law, but why 4:30 in the morning? If not to deprive him of sleep and cause as much inconvenience and disruption to his life as possible?

Why would the police be so nasty over such a trivial offence?

I bet they didn't go after the people on trial for rape with such enthusiasm and zeal.

Dr C- "I bet they didn't go after the people on trial for rape with such enthusiasm and zeal. "


What a thing to say, for goodness sake Doc you do yourself little credit with much of what you post.

but he is 100 percent right - it was only when the scandals were pursued was any action taken at all
police social services and local politicians sought to cover it all up in case local community got upset

numerous studies and investigations have proven this  - do yourself a little credit enpassant with what you post

even when the first big case came to light it was being denied - even the judge silenced the press

If you think that sentence is right then there is nothing anyone can say to you or those that hold similar opinions I suspect.

moisok "numerous studies and investigations have proven this  "

links please.

don't be so facetious and so lazy
if you cannot keep up to date or be aware of the numerous scandals over this issue then you should not
be on here commenting on it

go and do your own research

what I really can't stand is people outside of our country telling us what is best for us

From what I gather on these threads, if one maintains there is evidence to support a claim/opinion you provide it. What is "facetious and so lazy" about that ?

so is taking the p!ss

Dr C- "I bet they didn't go after the people on trial for rape with such enthusiasm and zeal. "

That's fair comment, they turned a blind eye on multiple occasions, as did council workers.

It's been well documented.

enpassant, you do yourself no credit at all from attacking people who speak the truth.

If fact you seem happy to see the police take a lenient view of these types. Why is that?

he is wrapped up in the eu and merkel and all her friends she invited in

where exactly do you think pass the prawn is?

Still no evidence of Tommy being racist.
Plenty of insults but nothing to back it up.
Typical enpassant and breedingmad.

apart from that pass the prawn and bleeding mad are racist.  They also attempt to water down the effect of our bearded friends' impact on europe.  You do wonder at times.  Could well have certain connections.

moisk : I've asked for links, you refuse.

Dr C. I would hope after the highly ridiculed comments that came from you regarding the disabled you might have learned your lesson but it seems not.

aka: please check the thread more closely. I have addressed your laboured point more than once. You at least tend to address the thread but here you have been tempted into silly generalised remarks.

May 11, 2017 -- 10:17PM, moisok wrote:

apart from that pass the prawn and bleeding mad are racist.

Appalling post. Utterly bereft of any sort of merit.

aka : can you repost anything I have posted that you interpret as an please.

WHERE ARE YOUR LINKS pass the prawn

have you given ms merkel a kiss from me yet

you certainly are close enough

I really cannot stand people who pontificate on what is going on here when they live far far away.

My god. That is the best you can do ? 'pass the prawn ' gold star for you young man.

Do you have it about you to clarify what this nonsense means -



"....I really cannot stand people who pontificate on what is going on here when they live far far away. "

I give you one thing, prawn. You have had to put up with a whole load more eastern bearded invaders where you live.

But to pretend nothing has happened in the UK and that there have been no scandals around the cover ups in many cities institutions/services is gross.

To also pretend there have been no inquiries or reports on the above scandal is incredulous on your part.

Who exactly are YOU trying to cover up for?

But then you might not be reading english newspapers or watching english news. 

It is interesting how quick you are at attempted obfuscation.

You haven't addressed the issue enpassant.
You made reference to an organisation that TR left because it was racist.
So again I ask for some evidence of his racism.

This will be my last post to try and get you on point.

Stop with the stupid remarks.
Where is it that you believe I live ?
Where have I "..to pretend nothing has happened.."?
Where have I "..pretend there have been no inquiries..."?
No questions arise from the last 3 sentenses as they do not merit it.

aka : I have made NO referrence to any organisation !

How am I Racist Moisok?

prawn's view from the other side of the channel blurs his vision and scrambles his understanding of the british condition.

bleeding - I think it is your continual critiques on british people who raise very important questions. Who exactly are you defending every time - that is what you need to look at.

My apologises, I had attributed this to you.
pulpaden
Wasn't TR once a member of a racist organisation called the BNP ?

As regards proof of racism I didn't think that the comments aimed at the London underground worker were racist.
TR is very verbal against those with extremist views only. There are plenty of clips of him debating sensibly with non extremist Muslims.

What on earth are you talking about ? Do you believe you know something about me ? I have asked you several questions arising from your rants but you do not answer them.

aka : thank you for the opology and the clarification.

aka : so did you find an article/video of the incident because though I saw it some time ago I could not find it anywhere ?

as I said - your view is blurred from the other side of the Channel.  You clearly know nothing about what has been going on in Britain recently relating to the bearded friend's actions.

I viewed it recently.
I think he was on his way to his lawyers office.
If I find it again I'll post it.
IF my memory serves me right it included quite an elongated 'debate' with a Muslim convert.

aka : Thank you.

moisok : You clearly have mistaken me for someone else. That can happen I guess but perhaps now you will confirm this ?

Highly ridiculed comments enpissant? Ridiculed by whom?

You've come on here and addressed nothing I have written, except to dismiss it in schoolboy fashion.

In fact enpissant you don't address anything specifically anywhere, you simply attack the poster.

You've got absolutely nothing to say, and appear to be nothing more than wind up merchant and a complete time waster with a chip on his shoulder.

Dr : You had the decency to eventually apologise about your very poor comments on another thread about the disabled. If you recall I did not resort to insulting you about it, nor did I jump on the band wagon of criticism you took. I offered an olive branch and stated I was not comfortable when one poster was being rounded on. However you clearly have carried no positive regard for me from that and so I understand you a little better now.

I always wondered hoe tommy got involved with the EDL given the Irish republican background of his family.
Seemed a strange step imo. I also didn't care much for him either albeit I hadn't viewed much of him on the net.
But slowly the more I've listened to him and read about him the more I've warmed to him.

I don't know about his background at all but my view of him is very different to yours and that's perfectly ok despite how many feel about differing views on here. I have the feeling he has changed tack for monetary reasons.

If you recall I did not resort to insulting you about it,

I didn't insult you either after I corrected you for jumping to the wrong conclusion. You did apologised for that.

and stated I was not comfortable when one poster was being rounded on.

There was you and one other who made the same mistake, you both backed off pretty sharpish when I proved your error.

You certainly show a talent for making something out of nothing.

I repeat:

You've got absolutely nothing to say, and appear to be nothing more than wind up merchant and a complete time waster with a chip on his shoulder.

Pissant never answered my question:

If fact you seem happy to see the police take a lenient view of these types. Why is that?

Perhaps he could now?

'pissant' - super twist on my handle : not pathetically childish at all.
Well, that is a very rosy pair of glasses you have. The posts are there to either back you up or as we both know full well, prove your assertions here to be wholly false. 
Your highlighted question says as much about you as any crass comment you have made.

I don't suppose you believe the rise in anti semitism correlates with the rise of the cult either.
They are at it in copenhagen
Nasty anti jewish stuff from an imam there