Copeland by election

Everything you post calls for extra funding.
More cash for the NHS, more cash for the care of the elderly (what happened to families looking after their own), more cash for the unemployed, more cash for the disabled, allow in more immigrants, give more in foreign aid and etc.
Did we have all this under a Labour government? Answer is no. So why not, and were you calling them vile and scum?
Everything is about balance but you choose to ignore this so you can score cheap points.

No not at all im not saying New Labour should escape from any criticism  but this present Tory government is the worst ever and truly evil

Nonsense again. So were these services always good? No they've all always suffered from a lack of funding.
Impossible to fund so that 100% is achieved in everything. As I said it's all about a balance and currently we are suffering because of immigration yet you want an open border.

The thing that really sticks in my throat is the call for more care or the elderly.
We have a few generations who think everything is the responsibility of government.
What happened in the past? People looked after their own that's what happened.
Now they are happy to leave it to the authorities or want paid for it.

No the real problem is that Thatcherism broke up the post war consensus on the NHS and the Social Security System and declared war on it , this is the kind of society that her ilk have created.

When in difficulty blame it on Margaret Thatcher.

anxious is not in difficulty, it's akabula.  Elderly folks have worked all their lives, paid their taxes and national insurance, perhaps fought for their country and what do you say should happen to them?

"The thing that really sticks in my throat is the call for more care or the elderly."

I guess euthanasia would be your preferred option akabula?

Elderly people used to be looked after by their families,usually one of the daughters. Far to many expect that to be the responsibility of the state now i.e somebody else to take on the cost and time.

lol

when families had 10 kids that might be an option

why should a woman give up her life to look after parents foc to save the state

Mar 1, 2017 -- 12:01PM, donny osmond wrote:

lolwhen families had 10 kids that might be an optionwhy should a woman give up her life to look after parents foc to save the state

Morals? Love? Compassion?

Equally why should a women work to look after herself to save the state money on welfare?

We should all sit on our arses, think of ourselves and let someone else pay for everything, right?

Once Corbyn and his magic money tree appears we will all do just fine.

We all know that it is not possible for the State to care for all pensioners who are now 25% of the population. I am a pensioner myself but unless it is confiscated by a Labour Government, I have enough savings to look after my needs until I am 100 and don't expect to live that long.

Dot you waffle on constantly about Jeremy but your other hero Donny is doing exactly the same thing in America , do you ridicule him too

As for the economy is it not true that this prudent fiscal solid tory government as bigger levels of debt than any Labour government in history

I often ridicule Trump yes. Do you praise Trump for his left wing policies?

So anxious you would support higher taxes or further cuts in public spending?

Im all for further spending cuts and think Osbourne did a very poor job but you seem confused. You rant on about austerity then criticise the Govt for borrowing too much.

I know thats because you are a Corbyn money tree fanatic but surely even you can see how inconsistent you are.

I do agree with some of his policies

No I was making the point about tory lies about being able to balance the books , I ask once again is it not true that the tories have created more debt than any Labour Government in history , yes or no ?

Of course its true although you have to take into account the position they inherited.

Its hardly feasible to remove a 100+ billion deficit overnight although I think they could have done better than they have.
I will ask you again how have you got the cheek to criticize them for borrowing to pay for NHS/welfare/pension spending etc when you refer to the cuts they have made as evil.

You have ZERO consistency or credibility. Are you Jermey Corbyn?

No the reason there was a massive deficit was the result of the financial crash of 2008 which  meant the banks had to be bailed out or else we would have been in further trouble, its true I have said that they are evil and indeed they are , its all about choices if you spend billions on weapons of mass destruction that could blow mankind to smithereens or you could spend money on helping humans live a more happy and fulfilling life

Have you forgotten the IMF warned Brown about his spending as far back as 2004.

So how would you have cut the borrowing that you are so critical of? Id love to see an anxious budget.

so who pays for the daughter to not go to work ?

not get married , have no life ?

some dreamers on here

yes mostly the ones who think the state can afford to pay for everything.

state should be collecting money to pay for care for old folk

not as if its a surprise folk live longer these days

its a 24/7 job looking after dementia sufferers,


simply staggering that anybody thinks a family can just look after them whilst holding down
a full time job or can do it free of charge whilst not working

state can be lab or con, or both, but have cocked up
badly over past 40 years, and now the bill is arriving.

But people dont want to pay ever more tax and lots of working families are struggling themselves without a cut in their take home pay.

We just need to realise we cannot afford to do everything we would like.

no when you imagine being me

you're a real walter mitty

Mar 1, 2017 -- 4:00PM, donny osmond wrote:

no when you imagine being meyou're a real walter mitty

I'll be honest I doubt I could imagine being you even if I wanted to.

Still, stick to the abuse and perhaps everyone will forget what you said above. Of course in reality people will just notice you couldn't answer and descended into a tantrum once again.

you just have imagined being me above

perhaps you dont know what you are doing

Mar 1, 2017 -- 4:06PM, donny osmond wrote:

you just have imagined being me aboveperhaps you dont know what you are doing

I assure you I haven't, however much you want that to be the case to try and escape answering the questions I posed.

The problem you have is I know exactly what I'm doing. Hence why I ask questions I know you can't answer without having a tantrum.

How quickly you and your ilk always resort to abuse when the argument doesn't go your way always amazes me.

oh walter you are so funny

Mar 1, 2017 -- 4:15PM, donny osmond wrote:

oh walter you are so funny

If you try really really hard you can think of a few more insults. Then all your friends will know how clever you are!

its not really an insult though

Mar 1, 2017 -- 4:31PM, donny osmond wrote:

its not really an insult though

I'm sure everyone would love to hear this reasoning.

Perhaps biscuits and Wurzel will come on and the three of you can try really really hard to think of something? Not that it helped you last time.

I'll start it for you..

'Calling people names on the Internet because I can't stand up my own opinions isn't an insult because..'

poor walter

Mar 1, 2017 -- 4:42PM, donny osmond wrote:

poor walter

Never mind. Someone will be along soon to help you out I guess.

poor poor walter

Mar 1, 2017 -- 4:47PM, donny osmond wrote:

poor poor walter

Give unitedbiscuits a PM, perhaps he can teach you another insult to use.

At least the time you've spent on the forum today won't have been completely wasted then.

poor poor poor walter

Mar 1, 2017 -- 4:56PM, donny osmond wrote:

poor poor poor walter

He couldn't help you out either? Perhaps if you spend a few hours putting your heads together you might be able to come up with something?

You aren't going to want to hear this, but repeating the same insult over and over again because you can't think of anything to post makes you look like you aren't the sharpest tool in the box.

It's hard when you can't think of anything to say, but saying nothing is generally the best policy in that situation. You can have that bit of advice for free.

keep on typing walter

Mar 1, 2017 -- 5:12PM, donny osmond wrote:

keep on typing walter

Of course I will. That's the thing when you can always think of something to say, you can speak your mind on the Internet and are able to back up comments you make.

I know it looks easier to scream and shout when somebody has a different opinion or challenges something you've tried really bravely to say. It doesn't look very good though.

Try thinking about your opinions before posting them, then when you get challenged you can answer without hurling insults. Believe me it'll be better for your health and your well being.

lol

i dont mind keeping him occupied for a while

ive stopped reading what he says, just post something and off he goes.

I liked the reason that appeared on Con home for their Copeland win:
Copeland voted Conservative because they have become rich through working and keeping more of their own money. It's a constituency where unemployment is low and incomes are above even the national average. The only connection to Corbyn the cretin is that Conservatives have a connection to people who can't get a GP appointment in the day because they're busy. Keeping a maternity unit open that isn't necessary under threat of being taken to court didn't cut it.
The tories don't need to do much to keep the Lab-Con trend going - stay in the Single market, keep free movement of honest workers, and keep the lid on spending.

I'm afraid that's not what you voted for, bongo.
Theresa May knows what you voted for, tight control of immigration, leaving the single-market, and extra sympathy for "left-behind" people like yourself. This is the mandate your vote gives her government.

Meadow doing what he does best, telling half a story.
Tis an SNP ploy. The cult has taught him well.

They have become rich through working and keeping there own money- I doubt they will be rich but no doubt they will also find the NHS has gone to pot , the education system only works for the privileged- social care in crisis - prison service in chaos - rip off utilty cowboy firms robbing people- biggest debt of any government -
Yes all the tory fan boys can be so proud.

Mar 1, 2017 -- 8:48PM, akabula wrote:

Meadow doing what he does best, telling half a story.Tis an SNP ploy. The cult has taught him well.

Here is the forum fanni akabula turning the thread to the SNP party again.

anxious
They have become rich through working and keeping there own money

Isn't that what we all try or tried to do?

I've changed my view, and decided anxious is spot on with all his comments on this thread about Venezuela

No im afraid its all true in Brittania plc , check the facts

From the ONS:
"In 2016 Gross Weekly Pay in Copeland was £697 compared with £502 in the North West and £541 in GB. "
So Copeland has become rich

From the BMJ:
.http://www.bmj.com/content/337/bmj.a748
The headline problem with UK health care is an undersupply of doctors due to socialised medicine. It's run for the benefit of employees not patients.

On education:
From the head of the Independent Schools association: the key advantage in teaching in a private school is not money, not the pupils, not the facilities, but aspirational parents.

On social care:
Corbyn wants more devolution to local authorities, but does not support locally set minimum wages, or making council tax payable by landlords or getting rid of public lending libraries that hardly anyone attends. Does he think libraries are on their way back or something? These would give councils more flexibility to organise social care.

On prisons:
This is your best point. The UK has too far many inmates by comparison with almost everywhere ( USA excepted ). Private companies lobby government not to reform our laws which jail people selling pleasurable products like cannabis and cocaine to consenting adults.

I'm in no way supporting the Conservatives. It's just a fact of life that if people become rich, they do not want that being taken off them by a party that overtly states that a top rate of income taxation of 54.5% is insufficiently high, and doctors, nurses and teachers in the socialised sector are undervalued and underpaid and should have more of your money taken off you to pay for them under threat of court.

And free trade, free movement of labour and tight government spending are ways for a country to get rich.

Aspirational parents - yes them with a lot of money
Social care  - this government has slashed spending by about 5 billion in real terms this is a fact
Prisons  - the highest prisoner population in western Europe with prison officers being bribed now to carry on working in dangerous conditions

Aspirational parents - yes them with a lot of money

Shami Chakrabarti, Dianne Abbott for example

Wake up anxious ! And to think you Corbynites think Blair was a sell out............you couldn't make it up as I say "All the animals are equal but some are more equal than others"

welcome back cj

still imagining my thoughts

all that time and thats the best you have

poor cj

Mar 12, 2017 -- 9:41PM, donny osmond wrote:

welcome back cjstill imagining my thoughtsall that time and thats the best you havepoor cj

At least you've refrained from spamming abuse because you can't think of anything to say as with your previous comments in this thread.

Not sure that's much better though. As for your welcoming my return, cheers. It'll only be a few more posts before you are abusive again though unfortunately.

poor cj

Back to spamming again because you can't think of anything to say?

Why am I not surprised.

poor poor cj

So your thinking is if you spam repeatedly it'll cover up your limitations? Perhaps anxious will try to come to your rescue again?

did he show you up as well

poor poor poor cj

Mar 12, 2017 -- 11:04PM, donny osmond wrote:

did he show you up as wellpoor poor poor cj

Well much like you, anxious has very little to say apart from abuse.

I'll take that as read.

poor cj

So we are back to the fact that you have nothing to say apart from spamming.

poor poor cj

Mar 12, 2017 -- 11:13PM, donny osmond wrote:

poor poor cj

So basically you are just going to spam the forum when you can't get your own way on threads?

poor poor poor cj

Mar 12, 2017 -- 11:16PM, donny osmond wrote:

poor poor poor cj

So why do you insist on spamming the forum? Don't you have anything better to do?

why do you keep trying to imagine my thoughts

Mar 12, 2017 -- 11:19PM, donny osmond wrote:

why do you keep trying to imagine my thoughts

I don't.

Why do you keep spamming the forum?

you do

and make a fool of yourself in doing so

along with your usual odd posting

hey ho its your life

I do a whole lot of things and am a lot of things according to people like yourself.

What I think you mean to say is that you don't like me posting questions to you.

The answer to that is not to spam the forum because you can't answer. I hope this helps.

you only ask questions to hide that youve made a fool of yourself

i ignore the questions we are left with you still in same boat


poor poor cj

Mar 12, 2017 -- 11:38PM, donny osmond wrote:

you only ask questions to hide that youve made a fool of yourselfi ignore the questions we are left with you still in same boat poor poor cj

You accuse me of making a fool of myself while you've resorted to spamming the forum because you can't answer questions.

Have a think for a minute who is coming out worse from this exchange? A clue, no matter how much you think spamming the forum is clever, it isn't me who's making a fool of myself.

Here s a clue about who is coming off worst.

It's CJ70.

Give it up, you moron.

i can answer questions but choose not to answer yours

they are just to hide that you have made a fool of yourself

as you continue to do

your choice, but hey ho

poor cj

Mar 12, 2017 -- 11:48PM, donny osmond wrote:

i can answer questions but choose not to answer yoursthey are just to hide that you have made a fool of yourselfas you continue to doyour choice, but hey ho

You really can't, that's why you resort to spamming.

Shouting "I can answer, I can answer" "Only to people I want to answer to" is an amusing stance.

I'll always be making a fool of myself to people like yourself and biscuits, this thread where you've resorted to spamming and he to abuse to try and make a point tells a story.

Life is hard I know, but sometimes you can't have everything your own way.

Mar 12, 2017 -- 11:51PM, donny osmond wrote:

poor cj

Yeah, so resorting to spam is always the answer, right?

poor cj

No doubt it's now a case that you've resorted to spamming again because you really would like to reply with an opinion, but you've chosen not to, right?

poor cj

Mar 13, 2017 -- 12:05AM, donny osmond wrote:

poor cj

I've got you in this thread and an enpassant in another thread unable to give opinions and resorting to spamming.

Why do you post here?

poor cj

Mar 13, 2017 -- 12:08AM, donny osmond wrote:

poor cj

I've pitched this to enpassant in the other thread.

Do you two want to just create a thread where you can scream at me, instead of spamming the forum?

poor cj

Fair enough, so what do you get out of spamming the forum?

Blocking any comment from the right ?

Mar 13, 2017 -- 2:37PM, treetop wrote:

Blocking any comment from the right ?

Hardly blocking though. It's a case of making a comment, being unable to back it up and then resorting to abuse.

Not sure what people like donnyosmond get out of that.

all posts after 23.15 removed

well done cj a new low

23.16

not just this thread either

ah, been crying to mods

poor cj

Yeah, nothing to do with you just spamming the forum with abuse because you can't get your own way? It must be someone elses fault.

It can't be your bad behaviour that is the problem can it?

Perhaps, less abuse and a bit of growing up may be in order?

seems only one common denominator on all these threads

poor cj

Mar 13, 2017 -- 8:43PM, donny osmond wrote:

seems only one common denominator on all these threadspoor cj

Unfortunately that's true. People like yourself who can't produce answers when their views are questioned so resort to abuse.

You won't grow up and it'll continue, but you should.

only one common denominator, take another look who it is !

poor cj

Mar 14, 2017 -- 11:30AM, donny osmond wrote:

only one common denominator, take another look who it is !poor cj

Unfortunately people like yourself are ten a penny. You have nothing to say, can't back up an opinion and when challenged you resort to abuse and spam.

Probably not the 'common denominator' you were expecting?

The answer is to grow up and if you can't put your thoughts on the forum without being abusive there's no point in you posting.

still cant spot the common denominator

poor cj