17.4 million noble brexiteers

boris said today we willnot be betrayed

obviously cant trust that count so we will all have to keep a close eye on the fookers

Yes,you have highlighted the fault of democracy,you can end up with a hell of a lot
of misguided people who believe propaganda because they believe in a panacea for
the failing system.Blame it on the Boogie..

take away the shoite spewed out by the likes of farron,cleggy,blair,souberry etc and every poll or attempt to find out why people vote brexit has concluded they new exactly what they were voting for, on a different note anyone who finds themselves on the same side of the argument as farron,cleggy,blair,campbell,souboury might like to recast their vote.now that enough brave people looked over the edge and decided to jump,i,m absolutly convinced if we voted again tomorrow the out margin would be greater

Wouldn't surprise me if we see a number of mps in the next couple of years quitting their party and joining the lib dems if they remain the only party committed to not wrecking the gaff. Through the sheer mismanagement of Corbyn, the arrogance of Cameron and Nige having shown his true colours and f*cked off to make even more money the no-hopers of the Lib Dems may actually become a force once again.

abolish tuition fees
and talking about slogans on buses

ABSOLUTELY NO VAT INCREASE,

next please,take him down

This Brexit/Remain vote and all the hysteria over the last 6 months been absolutely ridiculos , the snarling threatening crazy tit for tat punch and judy show that it has become, why people are so worked up about It i fail to understand I don't think its going to make that much difference either way

but you still felt the need to post,so imagine how those who feel it will make a huge difference one way or another feel

Poster I voted to leave but it was about a 60-40 decision for myself so like the actual vote it was a close run thing, I think what people need to realise is that yes leave won but the only to thing to consider is the National interest not one side glorifying or the other side complaining , a lot of young people voted to remain and they like it or not are the future.

a lot of young people voted to remain and they like it or not are the future.

you mean those that bothered to get out of bed anx

Yes Burton and those that didn't either its not good for democracy when people and especially the young do not vote, when there is apathy about the political system that should concern everybody because people can lose faith and hope quickly and this can lead to all sorts of nonsense ending up with Arnachy

if young people cannot be arsed then thats their business

because of their naivety they should be easy to sell the liberal dream to but the remainiacs couldn't even manage that

all the young working class will be brexiteers when they are older anyway as they mature and smarten up. they will thank us that in years to come as their wages will not be going down and down while schools and hospitals fill up and buying a house is almost impossible. and on top of all that which we have done for them they will still live in a democracy.

we will be their heroes

Brexit seemed to end neo liberalism and Globalism at a stroke of a cross in a box.
Pray what is the future for us now we have control?

You get your independence.
You get to decide who comes into your country.
You get your fishing waters back
You can now give some of your ailing industries some much needed help.
You can do your own trade deals
You stop getting ripped off by an organisation that always hated you,was jealous of you.

So more Neo Liberalism and Globalisation!

spain,portugal,greece france all love the eu and wouldnt dream of leaving it and as a brucie bonus hah about an average of 40% youth unemployment any young people in the uk see that and voted or would vote remain need sectioning not pitying, imo

So the E.U caused all the Unemployment in all those countries well you learn something everyday thanks
your a genius voting leave to help other E.U member states and I had you down as being selfish..

Dec 9, 2016 -- 1:01PM, Breedingmad wrote:

So the E.U caused all the Unemployment in all those countries well you learn something everyday thanks your a genius voting leave to help other E.U member states and I had you down as being selfish..

Are you suggesting that the EU isn't causing unemployment in those countries? It would take a pretty strong argument to even suggest that.

Your argument is fatally flawed I'm afraid.

Dec 9, 2016 -- 3:11PM, Breedingmad wrote:

Your argument is fatally flawed I'm afraid.

That'll be news to me as I haven't made one.

Or did you mean by me asking you a question that I should know you can't answer? Otherwise it's a tad confusing.

Exactly it;s flawed because it doesn't exist

Dec 9, 2016 -- 3:18PM, Breedingmad wrote:

Exactly it;s flawed because it doesn't exist

Which is interesting logic.

"What is your name?"

"Your argument is flawed!"

"What would you like to drink?"

"Your argument is flawed!"

"How are you going to back up your opinion?"

"Your argument is flawed!"

I should try that next time the Jehovas Witness group comes around.

madbreeder, biscuitbrain and facts are the Jehovas Witness group of this forum

and yes the EUSSR and in particular the euro are responsible for the poverty and youth unemployment across the Med.

a lost generation is a price worth paying for the disciples of the EUSSR.

when they refuse us access to their market in return for access to ours tens of thousands of germans involved in the car industry over there will lose their jobs. they will aslo consider that a price worth paying.

you see power without accountability to the people never ends well. just look at all the people Castro shot and how that little  fat guy in  N Korea impoverishes and brutalises his people. its all justifiable in the name of the cause, just make sure you don't ever have to ask the people for their approval as you won't get it, a la Brexit. and thats why they now want to ban any referendums across the EUSSR.

shiit like this only ever ends one way boys - you should all know that.

they soon scarper when the facts are presented to them

typical socialists

Two out of three socialists are as stupid as the other one.

D Milliband says it would be a tragedy if the people who voted for Brexit (the 17.4 mil) are made poorer by it.

U Biscuits says it would be poetic justice.

In fact, the people of the UK are already significantly poorer because of the Sterling crash brought on by the Referendum result; but David Milliband is rather more concerned with the half of the country typically with fewer assets, which is broadly the demographic of "noble Brexiteers". When they suffer the strictures of a Conservative Government managing a stalling economy, then they are going to feel the consequences of what they voted for.

Hoping your country will ''fail'' because you lost an argument is crass in the extreme.(imo).

2 things which have actualy happened since brexit ,not the forecasts
marmites gone up and interests rates have come down

if you stand on an election manifesto of reducin g interest rates at the expense of marmite going up,what would the result be

Inflation is heading up due to sterling's fall and rising oil prices. It will continue to rise next year, benefiting people on index linked incomes such as pensioners but hitting wage earners as pay awards remain static. Interest rates will begin to rise as inflation moves above the target of 2%. Rising interest rates will cause some mortgage defaults. House prices will fall which will benefit first time buyers bu reduce consumer confidence. Business investment will while the details of Brexit are awaited. Europe is more interested in protecting the principle of free movement than it is in cutting a trade deal with the UK so we will get no special trade deal. This will further hit the pound pushing up prices. Higher interest rates will hit small businesses, especially those reliant on direct consumer spending. The demographic timebomb of an ageing population taking more and more money from the economy in guaranteed pensions and also demanding more and more social care will require increased national and local taxes - see this week's threat of steep rising council tax. Some small businesses will not survive. Unemployment will rise. Some of the new investment in European financial services will go to mainland Europe. Tax revenues from the City will begin to fall, further putting pressure on the government to raise personal taxes.

It's going to be messy, and as usual the people that can least afford it will be hit the hardest. The likes of Gove, Johnson and Rees-Mogg will watch from the sidelines in the comfort of their mansions not affected one jot by whatever happens. Nobody wants to see the country suffer economically; but one thing is clear from this year's politics - that people will only believe it when it happens. If that's what it takes, bring it on.

if you can get a job because of immigrants paye might as well be 99% for all it matters to those not working

We currently have very low unemployment. Norman Tebbit told people to get on their bikes to look for work; ironically this is what immigrants have done while some Brits expect jobs to be brought to them as of right. Economic activity creates employment. Exiting the world's biggest trading bloc  will reduce economic activity and so raise unemployment. It's cloud cuckoo land to think people without the skills or initiative to get jobs in today's virtually full employment economy are going to get them once we brexit. The brexit campaign asked all the right questions but came up with all the wrong answers. Thatcher, Major, Blair, Brown, Cameron and Osborne stood idly by while the rich got richer and the poor got poorer. Its bad UK government that has got us where we are today. Tuition fees was the end of pretence at any aspiration for equal opportunity based on merit rather than birth. What we needed was fair redistribution of the nation's wealth. What we are going to get is a less wealthy nation.

as on umpteenth other threads as ive said i,m talking about myself and what i thinks is wrong and why i voted brexit
i have the skills,ive worked for 4o years,the jobs are there on my doorstep,but i cant get them because there going to
less or non skilled immigrants
untrained in health and safety
working for less than the going rate,
what part of that are you struggling to grasp

You've worked for 40 years? Perhaps employer ageism is the culprit as much if not more than immigration. I've worked for 30 years and am about to be made redundant because its cheaper to employ someone 20 years younger to do the same job to a lower standard. That's life. I will cope with it, retraining into a different industry if necessary. I've got more pride than to expect and demand that the government or anyone else owes me a living. What part of personal responsibility do you struggle with?

only on the betfair forum can someone who in the words off the current government has done the right thing,worked for 40 yrs paid his taxes,never claimed benefits of any sort be accused of having no personal responsibilty ,why dont you foooook right off and stop spouting absoloute shoite,3 million plus immigrants getting jobs in this country down to ageism

free of EUSSR strangling regulations this country will BOOM. anyone with half a brain knows that. the new trade deals that we will make offer opportunity to everyone. opportunity that membership of the EUSSR denies us. the french and the rest of the EUSSR fear the anglo saxon economic model of slashing red tape and crippling bureaucracy. they know that is the direction we are heading and they fear it as companies from across the EUSSR will relocate here.a little inflation is a good thing,not a bad one. had deflation got hold of us then we would really be fked. and you can all thank the mighty and noble brexiteers for that one. interest rates will increase slowly, over time, as they have always been expected to.

we will allow them some access to our market in return to some access to theirs but no freedom of movement. canada with addons if you like. from an economic and pragmatic point of view they should accept this. but they won't. the tens of thousands of jobs that will be lost in germany will be a price they consider to be worth paying. we will trade elsewhere and be fine, they cannot trade elsewhere until the EUSSR finalises a trade deal - which they are incredibley rubbish at. the australian EUSSR deal was stopped due to objections from a tomato grower in italy. the canadian one held up by a few belgans. and the list really could go on. without the shackles, the bureaucracy, the corruption, the incompetence we will do what we have always done prior the EUSSR and trade with the world.

there is nothing to be frightened of as we re enter the world stage, we are good at trade and always have been. there are some naysayers out there who are stuck in the past. they long for a time of unelected presidents and endemic corruption where the gravy train just seemed to go and go. and whilst these people are obviously simpletons we should pity rather than mock them. but also we should let them know that no matter how much whining they do, no matter how many more volumes of project fear they give us and no matter what former disgraced PM they pull from under the rocks of the middle east

WE ARE STILL LEAVING THE BUILDING

/\ Smell the desperation /\

funny how it seems we are doing sort of OK isn't it?

angrybiscuitbrain 14 Dec 16 19:18 
/\ Smell the desperation /\




irony doesn't even get closedoes it

and now the FTSE closes on a record high for the year

no need to thank us

LEAVING THE BUILDING

latest polls suggest the number of mighty and noble brexiteers would top 19 million were there to be a 2nd ref

which there won't be. that's for the birds

The problem with all this is that some of us who supported leave didn't do so to get into some kind of ultra-liberal screw the workers economy. The likes of Burt does not speak for all of us.

^^ that's 1 seething remainiac^^

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