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not as big as yours on June 24th
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wishful thinking ha ha!
trump as president will seek peace through trade putin states he wants peace through trade but with Hillary the mushrooms clouds will bloom take care what you wish for smartguy |
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It is coming, UB. Don't jinx it though!
More revelations today about Tax dodging. Not illegal, of course, but when is it ever? There is much more to come, but they are not going to make the mistake of blurting it all out at once. |
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Hilary's camp should be really pushing this. Make it front and centre. His reply last week that he'd release them when Hilary released details of her emails was incredibly weak. Just make it a news item: "Come on Donald, what are you hiding?", "do you think he's not releasing them because he's not contributed anything to the tax purse for a long time?"
Don't even worry about Miss Universe or any other distracting nonsense, just keep pushing it. |
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Yes, the tax is a huge issue, but they want it to be still at the forefront of the agenda at the beginning of November. $18 million mentioned today squirrelled away, but there is a lot more. We will hear about it soon enough. The 2nd debate will be very interesting!
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Sorry, 18 Years, not 18 million, My mistake. 18 years is even worse, as it goes.
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Trump wants less tax, he wants to take less tax of you(american workers)
Hillary wants more tax, she wants to take more of your hard earned money off you(american workers)..and give it to foreign countries, who hate and despise you. billions of dollars, and jobs, and investment and taxes leaving the US and given to barbaric and ruthless people. That is what you might remember when you worry about taxes. |
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Trump should make it very clear to the American people. His aim is to look after American and not half the world. that is where their taxes are going. its something that Hillary will be determined to maintain.
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it has nothing to do with trickle down, quite the opposite. Trump will get jobs back, not tax too heavily and any tax will be spent in America on American people.
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Can't disagree with that. Trump does want less tax. In fact no tax. For himself.
Don't understand how people can let the fact he's their favoured candidate (particularly when they're not even voting ) can cloud their judgment on this. It very much looks like the guy has avoided paying any tax for a generation. That's a huge, huge thing. If it was just a businessman, say yer BHS man, it would still be a massive thing and he'd be getting hounded. If it was a minor politician, some back bencher, then there'd be calls for him to be de-selected. But no, this guy could very well be the next American President. If he has paid his tax and everything's above board, then fine, just show the returns. But until he does, the implication remains that he has something very big to hide. And if I was in Clinton's camp I'd be mentioning this every time there is a journalist or a microphone around. You have a guy who is claiming to have Americans best interests at heart, who will look after its working class, its sick, its homeless, its victims of crime, its veterans but potentially has paid less in tax in the last 18 years than someone on minimum wage despite being more wealthy than any of us could truly comprehend. |
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A successful and creative country does not need high rates of tax.
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Higher than 0% surely?
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but it does need people to pay them...
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its simple. do you want to pay less tax. to know that those taxes are going to be spent in America and for America. then vote for Trump.
or do you want to give more of your own money over in taxes, for the government to squander overseas, many billions of dollars. then vote for Clinton |
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As I said, this isn't about his policies. (If true) the guy has paid no tax to support the American economy AT ALL in the last 18 years. I don't care if he says he's going to give everybody bigger knobs, a go on his wife and a new car; the fact that he refuses to deny that he's avoided paying any tax is a massive issue surely.
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Tony, the Trump fans have a very simplistic way of looking at the Tax system. it doesn't take much for the likes of Trump to pull the wool over their eyes. The millions of people who lost their homes and savings when Trump and his ilk bankrupted the Real Estate sector, making themselves even richer in the process, will not be so forgiving. Where were the tax "benefits" that trump likes to speak of, when all of the ordinary people lost everything? They were not able to write off their loses and avoid paying any Tax for decades to come. The ordinary US voter will not forgive this! Mark my words, it will be all downhill for Trump's campaign from now on.
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you see it is not going to makr much sense to say i will not vote for Trump, i want him to pay more tax...and then take a look at your own tax bill and find yourself being taxed and helping at the same time to make youself poorer, or mabybe unemployed.
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If Trump gets elected, and does the things that he has said he will do(and yes i am sceptical) but then i would say Mr.President good job.
you do not have to pay tax ever again. |
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how sad you are so easly pleased...but that is your right, as with lots of others who refuse to see whats in front of their eyes...but remember..ive said it before what goes around comes around....
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we don`t want someone moral as president just at this time. In ancient Rome the senate at a time of national crisis would suspend their democracy and bring in someone they knew carte blanche to solve the crisis.
once they brought back a famous general(forget his name) who had retired and handed power to him in the space of 15 days he won 2 decisive battles and saved the empire. then he promply retired again and returned to his farm. |
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Trump and his supporters seem to think that it is possible for Trump to pay NO taxes at all,and for "all the ordinary folks" to pay less (as if
). Yet still have massively increased spending on the military, schools, infrastructure etc. Where will all the money come from? Not from Trump's coffers that's for sure! Maybe he will just "make the Mexicans pay for it", LOL. |
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every American will pay less tax if Trump is true and not too cautious. that is how all successful and technical and creative countries build a good society
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you have to look at the big picture. do not focus on Trumps taxes. they are all at it but that is not so dangerous to the welfare of the country, or the average American worker as would be Clintons policies. they have failed and will always do so.
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Dream on.
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It is coming, UB. Don't jinx it though!
That is cheeky, Des Pond. I'll have you know that I have a lifetime of semi-successful gambling on my CV. Don't be taken in by the cohort of pygmies on the Politics Forum - ants at a picnic. Trump is trying to push the same buttons as Vote Leave, after all Steve Hilton learnt his dreadful trade over there, sitting at the feet on f the neo-cons; the difference is that Hilary's campaigners are much, much, much smarter than Cameron's pitiful Remain crew. |
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Hillary does not want to fight Trump on taxes at any non-headline level.
If Trump has paid no Federal taxes because he has losses to offset them against so what? There is no moral obligation to pay taxes to the Federal Government. He pays what is due. It is like someone finding a way to legally avoiding paying 350m quid a week to the EU. If someone found a way to legally not pay personally towards the EU I don't think Brexit voters would be less likely to vote for Brexit if they were the figurehead. If you want the Federal Government running police and elections and so on then I am sure you would be keen for people to pay more and more to it. But this is what the revolution is about - less big government, less Washington, less UN, less EU. Popularism is anti the global elites. So if this becomes a talking point it will be a plus for Trump. |
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Every potential President except Trump has published his tax-return. If legally avoiding tax "makes him smart," Trump should not be hiding his tax-returns. The time to publish is now because if he does it after losing the second televised debate, it will just look desperate.
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Why would he publish complex unaudited tax returns for the main stream media to make uneducated comments over?
Seriously is this all Hillary has? No policies except more globalism. Bleaching emails. Offshore foundations. Pay for Play. She knows she will lose on policy so she is trying to talk about irrelevant things like beauty contests, 40 years civil lawsuits and personal Federal tax returns. It is desperate stuff from someone who can only get a few hundred people to a rally and only does one or two events a week. Two small events in Florida on Friday and now nothing until the next debate. What is she doing day to day? |
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I would hope both candidates are devoting themselves to their Presidential campaigns. Trump's main problem is the tax-avoidance thing: the 20% of neo-cons who see no fault in shirking tax for 18 years are well represented on this forum and were always going to vote for him anyway. But he needs to reach out to the centre. Team Clinton will be hammering the tax-avoidance candidate until he cedes, but if Trump leaves it too late it will be seen as a desperate gesture. That said, if they weren't critical, the facts would be released by now.
Lets hope Clinton researchers can flush out the matter in the public interest. |
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tony57,
If you could pay 40% tax would you turn round to the government and say actually I want to give you 80%? There is no moral obligation to pay tax. Everybody pays a different rate and everybody receives different benefits from the state. |
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To legally offset profits against previous loses while at the same time you are giving jobs to thousands of people is disgusting?
Do you think there should be no ability to offset loses on a p and l? |
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There is no moral obligation to pay tax.
Yes there is. Unless you advocate building your own road to connect your house to the world. |
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The majority of this forum would agree with Insider Trader, that as long as it is legal, it is well and good. Thus: Facebook paying £4k UK tax in a year, Trump paying (it may be) $4 in eighteen years. And, by extension, sex-tourism is SE Asia is ok too, because it is legal there.
So whatever side they are on, I want to be on the other. |
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Ok Biscuits what rate of tax would you pay out of choice? If you have two shops on your street that are in different states. No import duty between the states. One has sales tax at 10% and the other has sales tax at 50%.
Where would you shop? |
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Ok Tony what rate of tax would you pay out of choice? If you have two shops on your street that are in different states. No import duty between the states. One has sales tax at 10% and the other has sales tax at 50%.
Where would you shop? Where is your moral compass? |
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Tax has never been raised "out of choice", nor ever will be. If Tesco asked us how much VAT we wish to pay on petrol..
Taxi for Insider Trader! |
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You refuse to answer the question tony.
When VC first moved to Gib and offered 3% transaction charge instead of the 10.75% betting duty here did you choose to legally bet with him or carry on betting on the high street? Before the POCT in the UK did you bet with Betfair even though they were based offshore or did you only bet with UK onshore bookmakers? Do you ever buy anything from Amazon based out of Sarl as it is cheaper because of the VAT situation? In short, do you ever use a service or buy a product from a company based outside the UK because the product is cheaper? If you can hand on heart say you never use Betfair and the like you can take the high moral ground. |
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same for United Biscuits. Refuse to answer if you have ever gone for the lower tax product or service.
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