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FFS!
Forget about the useless nu-labor party. I told ye all that they were good for nothing, years ago.
The working class needs an organisation with proper principles.
We need revolution.
Forget about the useless nu-labor party. I told ye all that they were good for nothing, years ago.
The working class needs an organisation with proper principles.
We need revolution.
The best was when he became shadow chancellor for a short time and proposed to put up NI rates if they got in. When asked by Murgnahan. what the employers and employees rates were he said they were 20%. Another moron of a labour politician who somehow gets by because the other lunatics in his party are even thicker than he is.
The A team of English capitalism ( con & U) and
the B team of English capitalism ( nu-labor)
are
both
badly divided and unable to be effective.
Both allowed themselves to be pushed around by an unelected man, backed by funding from ultra-conservative nationalists.
Dear oh dear.
Ditch all of these clowns and get with reality!
the B team of English capitalism ( nu-labor)
are
both
badly divided and unable to be effective.
Both allowed themselves to be pushed around by an unelected man, backed by funding from ultra-conservative nationalists.
Dear oh dear.
Ditch all of these clowns and get with reality!
the problem for the labour party in Britain is plain to see.
the old traditional labour voter, working class, northern, is no longer represented by the party, as when it comes to elections they rarely get their type on the ballot for labour. this old traditional labour heartland voter, is most certainly a believer in a british labour party for the british people, and the vast majority of them have voted Out on Thursday. The representative end of the labour party are totally out of tune with these people who were their roots and foundation.
the new labour voter(of the last 20 years variety), are these champagne socialist, multiculturalists that are found in greater London. In terms of the overall Labour voting body, they represent less than a third, yet, they dominate the party and all the decision making, and they support their causes at the expense of traditional labour. this section of the party were the Labour Remain entity, because they are firmly of the view that a common European Labour is superior to the common as muck British Labour.
the simple solution to save Labour( including in Scotland) would be for the champagne socialists and the London end of the party to join up with the Liberal/Social Democrats, as it is nearly impossible to find many policy differences. Then they can leave Original/Traditional Labour to the proper British Labour party, whose main aim if supporting British working class.
the old traditional labour voter, working class, northern, is no longer represented by the party, as when it comes to elections they rarely get their type on the ballot for labour. this old traditional labour heartland voter, is most certainly a believer in a british labour party for the british people, and the vast majority of them have voted Out on Thursday. The representative end of the labour party are totally out of tune with these people who were their roots and foundation.
the new labour voter(of the last 20 years variety), are these champagne socialist, multiculturalists that are found in greater London. In terms of the overall Labour voting body, they represent less than a third, yet, they dominate the party and all the decision making, and they support their causes at the expense of traditional labour. this section of the party were the Labour Remain entity, because they are firmly of the view that a common European Labour is superior to the common as muck British Labour.
the simple solution to save Labour( including in Scotland) would be for the champagne socialists and the London end of the party to join up with the Liberal/Social Democrats, as it is nearly impossible to find many policy differences. Then they can leave Original/Traditional Labour to the proper British Labour party, whose main aim if supporting British working class.
Great Post KL,They could probably do with you to unravel this mess for them.
Isn't it really scarry that the old New Labour Champagne Socialists are all coming out of the woodwork.Shame on them.I predict that Mandelson will be joining in latter this week.
Cambell actually had the ordasity to talk about the Leave Campaigns Lies.
I was shouting at the telly reminding him that it was kind of not as bad as his Total lies & spin over the "Weapons of Mass Destruction" which then led to the deaths of 1000's of innocent people including our Brave Servicemen & Women.Shame on him & all of the others involved.
Lammy should be barred from Public office just on his 1 statement to abandone the result of the referendum.He obviously is care in the community.
Roll on the soon to be released inquiry.That is going to be interesting.
Farage is being bandied about as the Devil in disguise.But I would think that agree with his views or not.At least he has an unchanging view which hasn't changed for 25 years or so.
He also has not yet played any part of this disgusting,lying & truth twisting that British Politics has slithered into.
Isn't it really scarry that the old New Labour Champagne Socialists are all coming out of the woodwork.Shame on them.I predict that Mandelson will be joining in latter this week.
Cambell actually had the ordasity to talk about the Leave Campaigns Lies.
I was shouting at the telly reminding him that it was kind of not as bad as his Total lies & spin over the "Weapons of Mass Destruction" which then led to the deaths of 1000's of innocent people including our Brave Servicemen & Women.Shame on him & all of the others involved.
Lammy should be barred from Public office just on his 1 statement to abandone the result of the referendum.He obviously is care in the community.
Roll on the soon to be released inquiry.That is going to be interesting.
Farage is being bandied about as the Devil in disguise.But I would think that agree with his views or not.At least he has an unchanging view which hasn't changed for 25 years or so.
He also has not yet played any part of this disgusting,lying & truth twisting that British Politics has slithered into.
Well Farage had a very firm view that he should resign as leader if he was not elected at the last election. His view changed very quickly when he was actually in a position to act on something he said.
All I am saying is that any sins committed as of now.Is not in the same Ballpark as your Blair/Campbell characters.They are all now thinking that the answer of Labours problems is to go back to New Labour ideals.That is just about as scary as I could imagine.Roll on that report getting Published.
all this bollox about the working class is a throwback to the days when there was one. it is an oxymoron nowadays. there is a significant minority that have no interest in work. my neighbour(single man) gets £1142 per month in benefits. he aint in a hurry to get a job. i dont blame him. why would he? the postwoman who delivers his, and my mail cannot afford to live where he does, and is rightly cheesed-off.
and i have yet to hear a tory speak about looking after the middle class in similar terms, yet these straight-goers pay for everything.
the middle class voted remain. traditional labour voted out. if it had been the other way around the chattering class would have been raging about 'little englander' mentality and racism, but the poor working class have done the wrong thing. they must be mistaken, because we know best, and the poor little dears just dont get it, do they? the metropolitan elite are completely out of sync with the people they revere(but haVE no connection with).
and i have yet to hear a tory speak about looking after the middle class in similar terms, yet these straight-goers pay for everything.
the middle class voted remain. traditional labour voted out. if it had been the other way around the chattering class would have been raging about 'little englander' mentality and racism, but the poor working class have done the wrong thing. they must be mistaken, because we know best, and the poor little dears just dont get it, do they? the metropolitan elite are completely out of sync with the people they revere(but haVE no connection with).
I don't see any prospect of Corbyn being toppled in a vote within labour. Those who voted for him in the first place will stand by him.
He said tonight he wont be pushed out.
If he is intent on staying and is forced into another leadership election which I think he will win convincingly then the break up of the labour party is inevitable and those who mps who forced him into a leadership elected would have to leave the party.
He said tonight he wont be pushed out.
If he is intent on staying and is forced into another leadership election which I think he will win convincingly then the break up of the labour party is inevitable and those who mps who forced him into a leadership elected would have to leave the party.
I think Corbyn would stand aside if there was a younger passionate socialist candidate within labour who he felt would push the party forward in a direction he believes in. He should hang on in my opinion in the hope there is such a person out there. Corbyn must know he can never become Prime Minister but he should not hand the party over to the wrong people who just believe in winning power more than they believe in principles.
thatcher had principles. ive never heard anyone congratulate her for them. so did hitler, lenin, and mao, and others. it is a specious non-argument put about by simplistic fools who know nothing, and understand less.
here is a passionate socialist who pushes for what he believes in; maduro in venezuela. hows he doing? heres another; castro in cuba, who has spent(in his own words) '50 years building socialism'. he has been so successful in the revolutionary project that tens of thousands risk death trying to escape the evil u.s. to reach the workers paradise every year.
keen leader 26 Jun 16 20:39
the problem for the labour party in Britain is plain to see.
the old traditional labour voter, working class, northern, is no longer represented by the party, as when it comes to elections they rarely get their type on the ballot for labour. this old traditional labour heartland voter, is most certainly a believer in a british labour party for the british people, and the vast majority of them have voted Out on Thursday. The representative end of the labour party are totally out of tune with these people who were their roots and foundation.
the new labour voter(of the last 20 years variety), are these champagne socialist, multiculturalists that are found in greater London. In terms of the overall Labour voting body, they represent less than a third, yet, they dominate the party and all the decision making, and they support their causes at the expense of traditional labour. this section of the party were the Labour Remain entity, because they are firmly of the view that a common European Labour is superior to the common as muck British Labour.
the simple solution to save Labour( including in Scotland) would be for the champagne socialists and the London end of the party to join up with the Liberal/Social Democrats, as it is nearly impossible to find many policy differences. Then they can leave Original/Traditional Labour to the proper British Labour party, whose main aim if supporting British working class.
Simply outstanding post. Nail on head
the problem for the labour party in Britain is plain to see.
the old traditional labour voter, working class, northern, is no longer represented by the party, as when it comes to elections they rarely get their type on the ballot for labour. this old traditional labour heartland voter, is most certainly a believer in a british labour party for the british people, and the vast majority of them have voted Out on Thursday. The representative end of the labour party are totally out of tune with these people who were their roots and foundation.
the new labour voter(of the last 20 years variety), are these champagne socialist, multiculturalists that are found in greater London. In terms of the overall Labour voting body, they represent less than a third, yet, they dominate the party and all the decision making, and they support their causes at the expense of traditional labour. this section of the party were the Labour Remain entity, because they are firmly of the view that a common European Labour is superior to the common as muck British Labour.
the simple solution to save Labour( including in Scotland) would be for the champagne socialists and the London end of the party to join up with the Liberal/Social Democrats, as it is nearly impossible to find many policy differences. Then they can leave Original/Traditional Labour to the proper British Labour party, whose main aim if supporting British working class.
Simply outstanding post. Nail on head
Grappler,you make a comment about your next door neighbour taking £1142 in Benefits per month.
This seems to be quite a specific amount.I find it quite hard to believe that a single unemployed man could receive such a large amount per month.
Unless the majority of that payment is Housing benefit.I find that hard to believe.I thought that a single person receives approx £70-£90 per week.I would be surprised if a single person would be receiving £800 per month for Housing & council tax.
I agree that a large number of people have been allowed a generation maybe 2 generations to languish on there arses with a work shy life style & absolutely no aspirations for themselves or there families.
But I do not think that they are the people that voted to leave.I don't think that they would bother to vote for anything.As they do not really care about anything much as long as they get there handouts.
I think that the huge turnout in the northern areas of the UK was because they do not actually have a main party in politics now that supports them any more,with Labour turning to Champagne Socialism in the 90's.
Who the hell do they have to vote for.
Even the Unions have sold out to New Labour.I think that Frank Field could probably be there man.But if they consider the likes of Hilary Benn or that awful Eagle woman to lead them,then what choice have they got.
I really thought that Corbyn was going to try to become that man to return Labour back to it's proper place in UK Politics.But obviously not.
This seems to be quite a specific amount.I find it quite hard to believe that a single unemployed man could receive such a large amount per month.
Unless the majority of that payment is Housing benefit.I find that hard to believe.I thought that a single person receives approx £70-£90 per week.I would be surprised if a single person would be receiving £800 per month for Housing & council tax.
I agree that a large number of people have been allowed a generation maybe 2 generations to languish on there arses with a work shy life style & absolutely no aspirations for themselves or there families.
But I do not think that they are the people that voted to leave.I don't think that they would bother to vote for anything.As they do not really care about anything much as long as they get there handouts.
I think that the huge turnout in the northern areas of the UK was because they do not actually have a main party in politics now that supports them any more,with Labour turning to Champagne Socialism in the 90's.
Who the hell do they have to vote for.
Even the Unions have sold out to New Labour.I think that Frank Field could probably be there man.But if they consider the likes of Hilary Benn or that awful Eagle woman to lead them,then what choice have they got.
I really thought that Corbyn was going to try to become that man to return Labour back to it's proper place in UK Politics.But obviously not.
it is real. he has to pay his landlord 832 per month rent, as that is the maximum after the evil tories put a cap on housing benefit for single males. but the amazing thing is that he he gets all of it.you might suppose the housing benefit goes straight to the horrible landlord, but it does not. under the new system that tries to prevent venal landlords charging exorbitant rent, the govt. decided to frighten them by paying all the benefits to the claimant; the landlords know most of their tenants are dysfunctional loonies who will knock it out rapido, and never pay the rent. they dont like it. it is designed to stop them charging exorbitant rents, confident that the state will pay.
he used to get housing benefit, and then his dole; now he gets the lot together. i am signing on tomorrer.
he used to get housing benefit, and then his dole; now he gets the lot together. i am signing on tomorrer.
Good evening grippergate what do you make of the chaos that grips our country
ive had plenty. about to drain bottle 3. might have to visit the bag shop.
actually, i find this whole business very upsetting. i voted remain. but the canutes that purport to speak for 'the people' have no idea about what affects them. labour is fuming with the working class for voting leave. their invincible arrogance is nauseating. where i live, 105,000 votes were cast, 80,000 for remain. obv. that is londinium, which is a city-state in all but name. there is something wrong with the uk. if it had been a vote to join the eu i would have sAID NO. but better the devil you know imo. it will not play out well.
but i detest all the right-on trendy media types who view any questioninng of the eu project as subversion, and small-minded. the e.u. is a gigantic exercise in transferrance of capital, without expertise. noble ambition, but utterly unworkable.
ive had more hols in bubble-land than anwywhere, and i am a hellenophile, but to pretend that the greek, or spanish, or italian euro is as valuable as a german version is fantasy. they have grown fatter on the proceeds of north european economic muscle, yet contributed nothing. they are the european version of scousers, constantly demanding handouts, and stealing whatever comes their way.
actually, i find this whole business very upsetting. i voted remain. but the canutes that purport to speak for 'the people' have no idea about what affects them. labour is fuming with the working class for voting leave. their invincible arrogance is nauseating. where i live, 105,000 votes were cast, 80,000 for remain. obv. that is londinium, which is a city-state in all but name. there is something wrong with the uk. if it had been a vote to join the eu i would have sAID NO. but better the devil you know imo. it will not play out well.
but i detest all the right-on trendy media types who view any questioninng of the eu project as subversion, and small-minded. the e.u. is a gigantic exercise in transferrance of capital, without expertise. noble ambition, but utterly unworkable.
ive had more hols in bubble-land than anwywhere, and i am a hellenophile, but to pretend that the greek, or spanish, or italian euro is as valuable as a german version is fantasy. they have grown fatter on the proceeds of north european economic muscle, yet contributed nothing. they are the european version of scousers, constantly demanding handouts, and stealing whatever comes their way.
Obviously when I said principles I took it as a given that was only the starting point for Corbyn to stand down. Other qualities would be needed. At this moment he should not go anyway. His version of labour has a strong base to build from. Another person with charisma, voter appeal and who shares many of Corbyns views should be the next leader. Corbyn should not hand the party over to those whose starting point is to ask the question how do I gain power and build a version of the labour party around that first and foremost. They should join the liberal dems instead.
Nice to see you again grappler.
I am not sure if you heard but the second world war is over. Hitler, Mao and Stallin are all RIP and the soviet union is no longer in existence.
Your knowledge on communism is impressive. You should apply to mastermind and chose it put it down as your chosen subject. I reckon you would score highly but you will need to bring a very big first round lead into your away tie on general knowledge.
I am not sure if you heard but the second world war is over. Hitler, Mao and Stallin are all RIP and the soviet union is no longer in existence.
Your knowledge on communism is impressive. You should apply to mastermind and chose it put it down as your chosen subject. I reckon you would score highly but you will need to bring a very big first round lead into your away tie on general knowledge.
Its not just the Blairites now that are jumping ship now Jeremy , step down and the let the leeches get on with it.
Corbyn rewards Pat Glass (called a Derbyshire resident a 'horrible racist' for being concerned about Mass Immigration) and Emily Thornberry (lost her Shadow Attorney General job for Tweeting a photo of white van man's Rochester home draped in St George's flag) with bigger jobs again in the latest mouth-watering Shadow Cabinet.
It's one thing to be completely out of touch with ordinary voter's concerns and way of life, but quite another to REWARD such individuals. It's a shameless and quite deliberate 'two fingers' to the public from Corbyn.
I ask again, WHO in Labour are representing the everyday concerns of what we used to call the 'working classes' ?
Are we all going to have a whip-round for Stephen Kinnock? The poor lad has reportedly resigned as Eagle's PPS this morning, and quite honestly I'm worried about how he'll get by. The EuroBank of Mam and Dad looks like it will be closed down too.
It's one thing to be completely out of touch with ordinary voter's concerns and way of life, but quite another to REWARD such individuals. It's a shameless and quite deliberate 'two fingers' to the public from Corbyn.
I ask again, WHO in Labour are representing the everyday concerns of what we used to call the 'working classes' ?
Are we all going to have a whip-round for Stephen Kinnock? The poor lad has reportedly resigned as Eagle's PPS this morning, and quite honestly I'm worried about how he'll get by. The EuroBank of Mam and Dad looks like it will be closed down too.
Corbyn is gone. Shame they couldn't have kept him on for a bit longer.
Which unelectable politician do we get next to be leader of the opposition?
Which unelectable politician do we get next to be leader of the opposition?
There's a market on BF called 'Who Will Leave Their Job as Leader First?" involving Cameron and Corbyn.
Corbyn is currently around 1/2 to go before Cameron, who has already told us he's going in October at the latest.
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https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/#/politics/market/1.125315967
Corbyn is currently around 1/2 to go before Cameron, who has already told us he's going in October at the latest.
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https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/#/politics/market/1.125315967
Thing is when Corbyn goes he can stand again, so may well be elected again. Will that count as leaving his post?
It's another one where the betting companies will probably count the money then make up the minds as they go along.
Jun 27, 2016 -- 11:47AM, alun2005 wrote:
It's another one where the betting companies will probably count the money then make up the minds as they go along.
I can't see the actual wording for the rules of that market. Is it me or is there nothing?
Who will leave their position as leader of their respective party first, David Cameron or Jeremy Corbyn?< br>
If there is any material change to the established party leader role or any ambiguity as to who occupies the respective position, then Betfair reserves the right to suspend and/or void any and all bets on this market.
If any doubt exists as to the outcome of the market, Betfair may determine, using its reasonable discretion, how to settle the market based on all the information available to it at the relevant time. Betfair reserves the right to wait for further official information before the market is settled.
This market will not be actively managed at any point. Customers are entirely responsible for their bets at all times. Betfair will not be responsible for suspending the market when any official announcement is made by any relevant party. However, Betfair will suspend the market as soon as it becomes aware of an official announcement.
If there is any material change to the established party leader role or any ambiguity as to who occupies the respective position, then Betfair reserves the right to suspend and/or void any and all bets on this market.
If any doubt exists as to the outcome of the market, Betfair may determine, using its reasonable discretion, how to settle the market based on all the information available to it at the relevant time. Betfair reserves the right to wait for further official information before the market is settled.
This market will not be actively managed at any point. Customers are entirely responsible for their bets at all times. Betfair will not be responsible for suspending the market when any official announcement is made by any relevant party. However, Betfair will suspend the market as soon as it becomes aware of an official announcement.
Lisa nandy 9-2 tom Watson 5-1 dan Jarvis 5-1 david miliband 7-1
Jun 27, 2016 -- 12:08PM, alun2005 wrote:
Who will leave their position as leader of their respective party first, David Cameron or Jeremy Corbyn?< br>If there is any material change to the established party leader role or any ambiguity as to who occupies the respective position, then Betfair reserves the right to suspend and/or void any and all bets on this market.If any doubt exists as to the outcome of the market, Betfair may determine, using its reasonable discretion, how to settle the market based on all the information available to it at the relevant time. Betfair reserves the right to wait for further official information before the market is settled.This market will not be actively managed at any point. Customers are entirely responsible for their bets at all times. Betfair will not be responsible for suspending the market when any official announcement is made by any relevant party. However, Betfair will suspend the market as soon as it becomes aware of an official announcement.
As far as I'm concerned that 1.3 looks good and I've acted accordingly.
On those words I'm pretty sure Betfair would settle Corbyn to go first as a winner if Corbyn restood and won.
Tend to agree with you CJ on the wording.
The only problem with backing the current 1/3 is that Corbyn is so self-absorbed, so self-convinced of his own deluded agenda, so propped up by the membership that elected him in (and will possibly re-elect), that there's no guarantee that he'll do the right thing for the party, the country or the people he's supposed to represent by resigning.
On that basis if I lay the 1/3 at least one of us will be able to have a fish supper out of it?
And remember, I didn't get where I am today without Laying the 1/3 and buying fish suppers on the proceeds...
The only problem with backing the current 1/3 is that Corbyn is so self-absorbed, so self-convinced of his own deluded agenda, so propped up by the membership that elected him in (and will possibly re-elect), that there's no guarantee that he'll do the right thing for the party, the country or the people he's supposed to represent by resigning.
On that basis if I lay the 1/3 at least one of us will be able to have a fish supper out of it?
And remember, I didn't get where I am today without Laying the 1/3 and buying fish suppers on the proceeds...
I took it down to that level, so yes probably one of us will not be forced to rummage for scraps in a bin.
At current I don't see how he clings on if there's a vote of no confidence in him. Will he try and stand again for a new mandate, yes I'm sure he will. Although reading those words I can't see the market not being settled if there's a run off for Labour leader.
At current I don't see how he clings on if there's a vote of no confidence in him. Will he try and stand again for a new mandate, yes I'm sure he will. Although reading those words I can't see the market not being settled if there's a run off for Labour leader.
A sign of things to come. Labour Defence Secretary is still in Glastonbury and isn't in Defence questions.
Lest we forget, 'Defence' is a swear word in the Corbyn Shadow Cabinet.
I see Corbyn is still at the crease holding a straight bat.
His ten-a-penny here today gone tomorrow career MPs are bailing out likes rats leaving a sinking ship.
Although Andy Burnham is still out there showing loyalty to his mortal enemy. I wonder what he's up to?
He certainly knows which side his bread is buttered.
Let them all go Jeremy, and give them a kick in the backside as they go through the door.
Get a new shadow cabinet - they can't be any worse than the set of self-serving cabbage patch dolls you've already had to put up with.
His ten-a-penny here today gone tomorrow career MPs are bailing out likes rats leaving a sinking ship.
Although Andy Burnham is still out there showing loyalty to his mortal enemy. I wonder what he's up to?
He certainly knows which side his bread is buttered.
Let them all go Jeremy, and give them a kick in the backside as they go through the door.
Get a new shadow cabinet - they can't be any worse than the set of self-serving cabbage patch dolls you've already had to put up with.
Jun 27, 2016 -- 3:39PM, Dr Crippen wrote:
I see Corbyn is still at the crease holding a straight bat.His ten-a-penny here today gone tomorrow career MPs are bailing out likes rats leaving a sinking ship.Although Andy Burnham is still out there showing loyalty to his mortal enemy. I wonder what he's up to?He certainly knows which side his bread is buttered.Let them all go Jeremy, and give them a kick in the backside as they go through the door.Get a new shadow cabinet - they can't be any worse than the set of self-serving cabbage patch dolls you've already had to put up with.
Burnham hasn't resigned because he needs the Corbynistas to vote for him in Manchester mayoral elections.
Thank's CJ, I knew Burnham was holding back for some reason.
How come that stellar no-talent David 'Nuisance Calls' Lammy hasn't been fast-tracked into a Shadow Cabinet job, given that just about every other political job he's held has inexplicably been put in his lap at indecent speed? Regardless of whether it was merited.
Jun 27, 2016 -- 6:40PM, alun2005 wrote:
How come that stellar no-talent David 'Nuisance Calls' Lammy hasn't been fast-tracked into a Shadow Cabinet job, given that just about every other political job he's held has inexplicably been put in his lap at indecent speed? Regardless of whether it was merited.
Not even Corbyn is that desperate.
still studying his english history books after his memorable appearance on celeb mastermind 
Lots of arguing and shouting at PLP meeting , best thing to do Jeremy is say adios these people don't like you and don't want you as leader.
the Darwin award goes to all those resigning from the shadow cabinet in particular to the self-seeking Hilary Benn.
They have no chance of deposing Corbyn who is much closer to those Labour party supporters who are fed up with the Blairites.
I smell the hand of Blair who sees it as an opportunity to save his own skin.
They have no chance of deposing Corbyn who is much closer to those Labour party supporters who are fed up with the Blairites.
I smell the hand of Blair who sees it as an opportunity to save his own skin.
Lot of fuss about Corbyn by people on here who never liked him in the first place. The same people who voted for the leave side must have been asleep for the past 3 days because the person who led the leave campaign seems to have missing in action due to the fear of being asked any questions about what are his views on the future which I happen to think is more important than criticisms about Corbyn.
the bilderberg group want the teflon blairites back in power - it suits their agenda to have the suits back in control
Yes mobo, the rich and powerful don't like the idea of the Labour party falling back into the hands of the real left, after they've had it in their pocket for so long under Blair and co.
I wanted to see Corbyn bring back Clause 4.
That would set the cat amongst the pigeons and sort out who stands for what in the Labour Party.
That would set the cat amongst the pigeons and sort out who stands for what in the Labour Party.
Jun 27, 2016 -- 7:48PM, paddletoe wrote:
Lot of fuss about Corbyn
Give it up.
I spent hours discussing why this would happen last year. He's just a waste of space and always will be a waste of space. As much as you want to ignore the bad side and focus on the sainted image, he's just a wrong'un.
He's not worth defending and won't give those who supported him the time of day when he's deposed.
I spent hours discussing why this would happen last year. He's just a waste of space and always will be a waste of space. As much as you want to ignore the bad side and focus on the sainted image, he's just a wrong'un.
He's not worth defending and won't give those who supported him the time of day when he's deposed.
Ha ha billy I remember though you missed at 80-1 about him becoming leader or was it 100-1 , you've never liked him since then
Jun 27, 2016 -- 10:56PM, anxious wrote:
Ha ha billy I remember though you missed at 80-1 about him becoming leader or was it 100-1 , you've never liked him since then
You must be looking at those halcyon days still wondering what the odds meant.
Ye Gods, is that what it has come to, when we need a strong opposition?
The Party of Attlee, Gaitskell, Bevan and, erm, the three-time Election winner 'Traitor' Blair reduced to this all-time lowest ebb?
How can Labour possibly keep a straight face about Eagle?
The Party of Attlee, Gaitskell, Bevan and, erm, the three-time Election winner 'Traitor' Blair reduced to this all-time lowest ebb?
How can Labour possibly keep a straight face about Eagle?
It's the rebel labour MPs who are doing the damage to the Labour party not Corbyn.
They fear they won't be able get rid of Corbyn with a leadership challenge so they're trying to force him to resign.
That's not a very democratic way of doing things is it?
Corbyn wasn't doing that badly anyway, didn't he get the government to back down on several proposals including tax credits?
Labour membership has also soared under Corbyn.
His stance on defence is par for the course with Labour, they're either war mongers like Blair or pacifists like Corbyn. I think I prefer Corbyn myself.
They fear they won't be able get rid of Corbyn with a leadership challenge so they're trying to force him to resign.
That's not a very democratic way of doing things is it?
Corbyn wasn't doing that badly anyway, didn't he get the government to back down on several proposals including tax credits?
Labour membership has also soared under Corbyn.
His stance on defence is par for the course with Labour, they're either war mongers like Blair or pacifists like Corbyn. I think I prefer Corbyn myself.
Labour victories on the likes of tax credits have come via the Lords. Nothing to do with Corbyn and his merry men.
Eagle 2-1 . tom Watson 11-4 , Dan Jarvis 10-1 , Hilary benn 10-1, David miliband 14 -1 , chukka umunna 18-1
Then what have we got an opposition for CJ?
A Labour victory is a Labour victory no matter who supports their efforts.
A Labour victory is a Labour victory no matter who supports their efforts.
Jun 29, 2016 -- 11:20AM, Dr Crippen wrote:
Then what have we got an opposition for CJ?A Labour victory is a Labour victory no matter who supports their efforts.
We haven't got an opposition in the Commons that's the issue.
Jarvis is the only one who will bring Labour forward imho
HTF is Tom Watson 11/4......Gob5hite was at Glastonberry as his party fell apart, should be a million
HTF is Tom Watson 11/4......Gob5hite was at Glastonberry as his party fell apart, should be a million
Pat Glass resigns from the Shad. Cab. after being promoted after a resignation on Monday. Hilarious.
We haven't got an opposition in the Commons that's the issue.
We haven't since the Brexit vote.
That's all to do with the rebel Labour MPs ripping their own party to bits not Corbyn.
We haven't since the Brexit vote.
That's all to do with the rebel Labour MPs ripping their own party to bits not Corbyn.
Jun 29, 2016 -- 11:46AM, Dr Crippen wrote:
We haven't got an opposition in the Commons that's the issue. We haven't since the Brexit vote.That's all to do with the rebel Labour MPs ripping their own party to bits not Corbyn.
We didn't have one before the vote. He hasn't been able to control his party since he took office.
He should have presented the case to leave the EU and gone with his beliefs. Unfortunately though he does not believe in stopping unlimited immigration from the EU so he cannot win northern England. If any of the main parties want a majority at the next election and not be in a coalition with eachother to stop UKIP getting power they must control immigration.
MPs are completely out of touch. The majority of MPs wanted remain and unlimited immigration whereas the majority of the people want limited immigration. The majority of Labour members want Corbyn but the labour MPs do not.
When are the labour MPs from outside London going to start representing the people that voted them in?
MPs are completely out of touch. The majority of MPs wanted remain and unlimited immigration whereas the majority of the people want limited immigration. The majority of Labour members want Corbyn but the labour MPs do not.
When are the labour MPs from outside London going to start representing the people that voted them in?
rumours labour mps will walk out when corbyn talks at PMQs. If they do, they should resign, it will be the death knell for Labour
Does Jeremiah want to wait till the chilcott inquiry is released to savage the Blairites ,july the 6th it is I think
I think its now got to the stage where Corbyn should resign as both leader and a member of the Labour. He should leave the party because the labour party only exists in name now. He is better off out of this farce.
one great thing this referendum result has shown is the true desperate sociopathic face of politicians.
They crave power. They will kill for it. They will send innocent men and women to their deaths for it.
The best example of this is the scape goating of Corbyn. The f**king neck of Cameron to blame him for losing the ref is nauseating. The leader of the party that caused the referendum to be held in the first place blames the guy whose party followers voted in the majority to remain.
go back to f**king pigs Cameron. Thats your level
Corbyn for all his faults is a decent guy. I genuinely admire the stubborness of himself and mcdonald against pure filth like Hilary Benn and his mothly crew of power hungry spivs
They crave power. They will kill for it. They will send innocent men and women to their deaths for it.
The best example of this is the scape goating of Corbyn. The f**king neck of Cameron to blame him for losing the ref is nauseating. The leader of the party that caused the referendum to be held in the first place blames the guy whose party followers voted in the majority to remain.
go back to f**king pigs Cameron. Thats your level
Corbyn for all his faults is a decent guy. I genuinely admire the stubborness of himself and mcdonald against pure filth like Hilary Benn and his mothly crew of power hungry spivs
We're supposed to be living in a democracy.
The democratic way is to put a leader up against Corbyn and let the whole party decide whether he should be replaced.
They're never going to win a GE now if one is called early.
Before they started this unnecessary row they had a small chance of winning it, now they've no chance.
Whose fault is that?
The democratic way is to put a leader up against Corbyn and let the whole party decide whether he should be replaced.
They're never going to win a GE now if one is called early.
Before they started this unnecessary row they had a small chance of winning it, now they've no chance.
Whose fault is that?
But before he does resign he should ruin the labour party and what it has become. He should labour to its knees. Not out of any personal bitterness but because it would be the best thing to do in serving his country and the people who voted for him in their millions.
nice to see things have changed. Goves wifes email leaked (Goves water pipes must be leaking as well)
More interested in making sure Dacre (Daily Mail) and Murdoch are onside
POLITICIANS ARE 5CUM
More interested in making sure Dacre (Daily Mail) and Murdoch are onside
POLITICIANS ARE 5CUM
Sadly, the Labour party may be already ruined. You can't identify anyone right now who is potentially Labour prime minister material and until that day comes, it's going to be a long long road back.
No the Labour party can recover its been in worst crisis than this
racingqueen you really should calm down; your rant does you no favours.Cameron behaves like the gentleman he is;Corbyn is a monosyllabic pleb who is incapable of entering into an argument or responding to criticism. If you'd engaged your brain before posting you'd have been able to get the shadow chancellor's name right !
No the Labour party can recover its been in worst crisis than this
Got to agree with that.
Basically the proletariat vote has got nowhere else to go.
Got to agree with that.
Basically the proletariat vote has got nowhere else to go.
anxious,
I agree that there may have been worst crises but not many. They are leaking votes now in other traditional areas apart from Scotland but perhaps folks in the North and Midlands won't feel the need to give their vote to UKIP?
I agree that there may have been worst crises but not many. They are leaking votes now in other traditional areas apart from Scotland but perhaps folks in the North and Midlands won't feel the need to give their vote to UKIP?
What would the late John Smith (the best prime minister we never had) have made of it? So many folks like him worked so hard to bring the Labour party back from the brink, he would be distraught if he could witness what's happening now.
Angela eagle holding presser 3.00 pm tomorrow to announce challenge to Jeremy .
Ye Gods, Corbyn vs Eagle is a bit like a 'Sophie's Choice'.
Not sure why the media feel this is the end of labour. The rise of the SNP made sure Labour would never get power again
More like "sofa choice" because that's where labour folks are going to remain rather than vote for either of them.
It'll be the workers against the establishment.
With Corbyn representing the workers.
Great stuff.
He's got to be a shoo-in again.
With Corbyn representing the workers.
Great stuff.
He's got to be a shoo-in again.
Corbyn's running rings around them.
With the Labour grandees lining up to shout:- Play the game you cad - play the game.
With the Labour grandees lining up to shout:- Play the game you cad - play the game.
Even Cameron has told him to go.
It's all water of a duck's back to Jezza. He's got a mandate from the rank and file!
It's all water of a duck's back to Jezza. He's got a mandate from the rank and file!
It was rumoured last night that Jeremy was close to breaking point after he heard Ed Miliband had turned Jekyll on him , get out of it I say Jeremy and leave the madding crowd to sort it out
I'd be amazed if Corbyn quit, even more so if he declined to re-run. This is a self-important man who surely places his own misguided opinion above anything as trivial as an entire political party and the country? A man propped up by a core of the membership that you'd cross the road to avoid.
Has any other political party leader hung on in power, when their Parliamentary colleague showed a majority against them? Thatcher resigned despite winning the first round of her ballot when Hezza challenged. Major resigned as Tory leader then won the Leadership contest.
Anyone remember one???
Has any other political party leader hung on in power, when their Parliamentary colleague showed a majority against them? Thatcher resigned despite winning the first round of her ballot when Hezza challenged. Major resigned as Tory leader then won the Leadership contest.
Anyone remember one???
Thatcher resigned because she knew she would lose a leadership challenge.
Corbyn believes he would win again.
They all have to have their hands prised away from the desk
Corbyn believes he would win again.
They all have to have their hands prised away from the desk
News from the Labour grassroots.
Over 500 councillors tell Corbyn to go.
Are they ALL wrong?
.
http://labourlist.org/2016/06/over-500-councillors-tell-corbyn-time-to-step-down/
Over 500 councillors tell Corbyn to go.
Are they ALL wrong?
.
http://labourlist.org/2016/06/over-500-councillors-tell-corbyn-time-to-step-down/
Yes they are wrong to ask him to stand down alan, when he was elected only last year on such a large majority.
Corbyn was elected by the rank and file, and until the rank and file choose someone else instead of him then he should remain.
If he resigns there will still be a leadership contest. So lets wait and see what the Labour party members say in a vote.
Corbyn was elected by the rank and file, and until the rank and file choose someone else instead of him then he should remain.
If he resigns there will still be a leadership contest. So lets wait and see what the Labour party members say in a vote.
Momentum have stitched the Party up. By their tactical drive last year to sign up members of the useless society they've got a stranglehold on the membership and if they've any doubt about the robustness of their numbers they'll have another recruitment drive.
You've only got to look at his 3 main supporters in the PLP to realise he and they are barking.
You've only got to look at his 3 main supporters in the PLP to realise he and they are barking.
Until you have been in the party you will not know the anger that members have against what was called (and is) nu labour.
CJ70 26 Jun 16 11:25
He got booed by the Pride lot yesterday.
Key voters for Corbyn in the first election.
you must have been referring to this: http://bit.ly/28UsUgS
He got booed by the Pride lot yesterday.
Key voters for Corbyn in the first election.
you must have been referring to this: http://bit.ly/28UsUgS
posy 30 Jun 16 16:12
Momentum have stitched the Party up. By their tactical drive last year to sign up members of the useless society they've got a stranglehold on the membership and if they've any doubt about the robustness of their numbers they'll have another recruitment drive.
You've only got to look at his 3 main supporters in the PLP to realise he and they are barking.
Momentum wasn't formed until one month after Corbyn became leader
Momentum have stitched the Party up. By their tactical drive last year to sign up members of the useless society they've got a stranglehold on the membership and if they've any doubt about the robustness of their numbers they'll have another recruitment drive.
You've only got to look at his 3 main supporters in the PLP to realise he and they are barking.
Momentum wasn't formed until one month after Corbyn became leader
David ...semantics in as much as momentum morphed out of the Corbyn for Labour Leader campaign
Jul 3, 2016 -- 10:23AM, David Fishwick Minibus Sales wrote:
CJ70 26 Jun 16 11:25 He got booed by the Pride lot yesterday.Key voters for Corbyn in the first election.you must have been referring to this: http://bit.ly/28UsUgS
I've never referred to anything conspiracy theorist Craig Murragy writes.
were you recounting first hand experience and did you enjoy the parade?
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