rachel reeves another remainer

Yes. Losing hands down in the argument, evading every question and then accuses Diggers of sexism - priceless.

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Fearless

the country even hard working women must be getting sick of career politicans playing the sexism card ever day,this loon even said her own labour constituents were voting leave because of downward pressure on wages and migrants taking jobs that  arnt even advertised to her constituents,yet still she campaigns for remain,she should resign

she was awful

the fatman was trying to be nice to her but she was so stupid she didnt realise it

totally owned
totally out of her depth

Most of the political class are completely out of their depth.

Harriet Harman was on TV the other day and she had no idea who any of the people who run the EU are!

How can someone campaign to stay in a system when she has no clue who is in charge?

Channel 4 news reported lastnight that Labour have stopped canvassing in white working class areas now.

Insider you make a very fair point. The Labour Remain people seem just inept. Alan Johnson who is supposedly leading on remain for Labour has been virtually invisible.  I also saw the Harman interview you mention when she was clueless. Today we had Rachel Reeves never landing a blow on Fatboy Digby and on sunday Mary Creagh was a car crash against Chris Grayling on the Sunday Politics who got to the point where he actually backed off as it was a heavyweight against a flyweight.

Last week we had a phone in on the local radio station where the Tory toff outer Rees Mogg was up against the Labour MP for Bristol West who (I kid you not) is called Thangham Debbonaire ! He ran absolute rings round her as she was so light on any facts.

By contrast I saw Frank Field (Labour outer)on the news earlier and he spoke with real passion on the disconnect between the metroploitan elites and normal working people on the immigration issue.

I speak as a lifelong Labour voter. I thought Scotland last year would be the turning point where Labour would cotton on and reconnect with hard working people on middle and lower incomes and their legitimate fears. Until they do this (and mean it) I can see ten or even twenty years in the wilderness.

There was an obvious approach for Labour on this referendum once Cameron had committed to having one. Support it and come up with a Labour ten point plan for re-negotiation with EU as the basis on which the British people would decide in or out. A reviewable and renewable immediate emergency brake on migration would have been at the heart of this plan but there was plenty of other stuff that could have gone into the pot from a left of centre perspective, TTIP guarantees, climate change, labour laws, etc etc. The strategy would be that if Cameron came back with anything less than this Labour would campaign for Leave. Suddenly Labour would have been at the heart of this campaign, distinctively different from the Tories and well set up post referendum to win the next GE.

As it is we have this mess. My fear is that when the country votes Out next week much of the Labour establishment sadly still won't get it .....

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Fearless

Great post Fearless.Makes a lot of sense m8.

hoping to win the lottery and move outside the EU.

labour,s policy after a notting hill get together is now
eh depends on whether corbyn or tom watson bangs on your door,the reason there so poor on tv is they dont believe in what their saying
they think dragging their arses out of a notting hill coffee shop standing on a stage together for 2 hrs is listening to people and speaking as one

Tom Watson suggests they should ask for more reforms on freedom of movement....

That ship sailed when DC failed in the talks earlier this year. If we cannot get reform when Brexit is a very real possibility how are we going to get reforms on this going forward?

there are whispers No.10 has gone to the EU this week to ask for some sort of concession on immigration, not a bleedin chance Dave

vasey taking a pounding on daily pol

the remain camp must be trojan horses for brexit day after day putting up mp,s who cant put forward a single positive reason for remaining

Andrew Neil abandons interview with Seema Malhotra (Shadow Chief Secretary to treasury) and throws his toys out of pram when she fails to answer any of his questions. (Well worth a look on iPlayer - daily politics about 11.50 am).  Labour Remain are in meltdown I am afraid.

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Fearless

torys threatening to increase tax and bring self imposed 30 billion of spending cuts ,torys wont let it through,but the leader of labour think its not worth bringing up at pm,s questions,
labour are now a laughing stock and i,m a labour supporter

I was corbyn's man till he did this.  He has always been weak on immigration before the campaign but I thought he was at least honest.  Most of his political life (like the kinnocks) has been against the behemoth of the eu but now suddenly switches??  It stinks.  Corbyn has left himself wide open now.  He is just like the rest of Labour I am sorry to say - or even like a tory - pure self interest.

i cant understand why the labour party cant see the light on this its staring them like a lazer in the eye

brexit labour lose the argument and a voice in the aftermath
remain and those who wanted out like scotland leave the party in droves from north east all the way down to clacton and all across the north west,labour are finished,

i,m a unemployed skilled welder made redundant after 30 years from ssi in redcar,the government said they couldnt help due to eu rules
i cant find work elsewhere because of foreign workers masquarading as skilled men undercutting wages

so i,m a life long payed up union member,labour supporter,with a labour remaining supporting mp,none of the 3 will back me with a brexit vote ,so might as well pay my taxi fare to ukip
and ps despite all of the above and correspondance with all of above no ones knocked on my door asking for my vote

maybe we are so brexit we are the blind ones

but with 5 million foreigners working here

a million illegals

and control of laws by a small group of foreigners guided by the bilderberg group, goldman sachs et all perhaps we have our eyes wide open

remain sure isnt going to benefit the majority

Andrew Neil is head and shoulders above all political pundits. He treats remain and leave, labour, conservative or liberal with equal disdain. Who can blame him today for giving up when interviewing Seema Malhotra giving her three attempts to answer the question he asked but to no avail. Its hardly surprising that all politicians, whatever their persuasion, are held in such low regard by the public.To further exemplify this sentiment in the most biased Prime Ministers question time I have ever seen when the Prime Minister praised Sarah Woolaston for her "change of tack", who, feigning complete surprise, smiled and acknowledged the praise lavished on her. The British public deserve no, need,better.

fearless - your earlier post was excellent work indeed.

I voted UKIP last time but like so many, I long for a Labour party that 'gets it'.

At the GE there was a surge of nationalism: SNP 50 odd seats, UKIP 4m votes, a Tory majority surely helped by the offer of a referendum. Meanwhile the Libs and the Labs bury their heads in the sand, apparently oblivious to peoples' concerns.

Labour have been devasted by Blair. He made them electable but they became so vacuous in  the process. They are a shadow of the party that used to champion British workers and their families.

For Labour to NOT support a Brexit is not surprising given their contempt for this country as a self governing, proud nation. One only has to look at the Kinnocks and of course Blair himself, desperate for the EU presidency some while ago.

the leave campaign should go round the country with massive pictures of kinnock....would romp home by 20 points.

I'm yearning for the day when an interviewer asks a politician if it was raining when he came into the studio.  Probably the only way to get a straight answer.  Mind you, if a politician came into a studio wet and said it was raining outside, you would have to go out and check.

Saw that programme ftp and Digby Jones wiped the floor with her,all she could say was generalised waffle and rhetoric,very little substance to her input.