David Cameron what a poor con man.

Clearly nobody on the remain side believe the 4 "reforms" are that important as have been fairly quite about them.
Nice to know that the EU recognises that the USA has their own currency & UK has their own currency.

Is there a Remain supported who has actually said that they love the EU . The theme seems to be it has major problems but if we leave Godzilla will eat every first-born son.

Exactly.

Won't one of the remainer's extol the virtues of the United States Of Europe?

very lucky ed miliband was leader of the main opposition and enough voters were petrified of a labour government to push him over the finishing line as the tories were hardly convincing in the run up to the general election.

i get the impression his heart is not in this remain campaign but he knows which side his bread is buttered.

just a very rich used car salesman.

A pound shop Arthur Daley.

He tried to be too clever which only works if you are clever.
Has destroyed himself by his own actions.

Won't one of the remainer's extol the virtues of the United States Of Europe?

I am a passionate supporter of remaining in the EU for a number of reasons:

1) Kinship. Europe is a white, Christian continent. A Polish Catholic has more in common with me than a Luton Muslim jihadist trying to get back from Syria, yet the second guy has British nationality. A Polish worker isn't an immigrant imo, he's a fellow European, and welcome. The French are setting a good example in tackling the insidious problem of Islamification in their own country. We need to co-operate. Immigration scaremongers need to remember the enormous cultural benefit brought to this country by the diaspora of persecuted peoples in the past - the Jewish influx in the Thirties and the Huguenots have made an immense civilising difference to the life of London. Forget the "special relationship" with the USA, Washington has one special relationship and it's with Israel. Forget the Commonwealth, there won't even be a UK if we vote Leave.

2) Economic. The reason the UK begged for twelve years to join the single market was because we were becoming inexorably poorer than the French and Germans. There's a 200 page Treasury report detailing how a Brexit would consign our children to the same fate. Of course, Vote Leave have a 200 page counter-argument, it's just that the pages are blank. Which doesn't mean that those orchestrating Brexit have no clear vision of the country they want to fashion..

3) The Right-wing agenda championed by the Fleet St moguls will be inflicted on the people of this country once they've got us out of Europe. Roll back, regulation, rights, minimum-wage, pension-protection etc etc. Which Fleet St poodle would be leader of the country, Michael Gove or Boris Johnson?

Kinship. Europe is a white, Christian continent.
not for much longer the Turks are coming and mass breeding is already here

The French are setting a good example in tackling the insidious problem of Islamification in their own country
really? they have more muslim ghettos than us

Immigration scaremongers need to remember the enormous cultural benefit brought to this country by the diaspora of persecuted peoples in the past
list them

The reason the UK begged for twelve years to join the single market was because we were becoming inexorably poorer than the French and Germans
our GDP was on par with all the others members when we joined, now they don't care they let anyone join whatever state their economy is that is why there is a mass exodus from the poor countries which will be exasperated even further when Turkey and the Ukraine joins

There's a 200 page Treasury report detailing how a Brexit would consign our children to the same fate
yes the book that has as many FACTS as the Bible, all is guesswork

once they've got us out of Europe. Roll back, regulation, rights, minimum-wage, pension-protection etc etc.
this must be your own scaremongering as nobody from any group has stated workers rights will be scrapped, many rights were in place before we even joined

Burton Brewers, I am fundamentally opposed to Turkey joining the EU because they're not white, Christian nor European. Germany is also opposed to the ascension of Turkey.
The French do have more Muslims than the UK. They have banned Muslim headgear in schools. We should do the same and make our children swear allegiance to the flag each morning.
I did mention the Huguenots and the Jews for their incalculable enrichment of our society.
Being part of a single market accelerates growth, being outside is a disadvantage. That's why we joined.
The Brexit counter to the 200 page Treasury document is (sic) "negotiate from weakness." There is no credible economic body endorsing this idiocy.
My third point is more subjective. When you see the interests backing  Brexit it's hard to accept that there is no Right-wing agenda here. Nobody knows quite what country we will be in come 24th June if we vote leave. In my opinion, Right-wing forces will see it as a green-light to start rolling back "the state" (protection) so they can better exploit the population. The City Of London may not be able to trade financial services in the EU but they can expect to be given a freer hand to do what they do best, filch workers' pensions. In some ways, Brexit would be Rupert Murdoch's ultimate revenge on this country.

One phrase I wasn't sure about Burton Brewers. What do you mean by "mass breeding is already here"? Here being the UK? Mass breeding between whom?

In my opinion

precisely it's just your opinion which is guesswork with no facts

Well it is a fact that Michael Gove is Rupert Murdoch's poodle - he attended the old man's wedding, some say the honeymoon as well.
It is a fact that Boris Johnson is on The Telegraph payroll.
Papers banging out a Right-wing agenda every day.  Don't expect a Boris/Gove led government would be too exercised about tax-dodging, if they're still serving their Fleet St masters.

In my opinion, Right-wing forces will see it as a green-light to start rolling back "the state" (protection) so they can better exploit the population.

How can they get a better situation than they have now with oversupply of labour eating away at the standards of living of the workers?

Right-wing forces and left wing forces both want us in the EU for their own ends.

The right wingers want us in the EU for cheap labour.
And the left wingers want as many poor created as possible to boost their votes.

I am fundamentally opposed to Turkey joining the EU because they're not white, Christian nor European

I guess you have no problems then with the Ukraine joining?

So if I understand you correctly Broken you are a passionate advocate of the EU because you are a white supremacist who wants our children saluting the flag (presumably European) every morning and that the UK will cease to exist on June 24th if we vote out?

Have you been sniffing something?

Laugh out loud at Wick-stroker.

Always the same tactic with Eternaloptimist. Sneakily tries to rearrange his opponent's draughts before making his own move.

I'm not rearranging anything. I'm quoting you. You were the one who raised the issue of colour. I understand where you are coming from but if that had been someone who views things differently from you the howls about racism would have been deafening. You were also the one suggesting our children should be swearing allegiance and I'll quote you on what will happen to the country:

Forget the Commonwealth, there won't even be a UK if we vote Leave.

So what is it you object to?

The reason the UK begged for twelve years to join the single market was because we were becoming inexorably poorer than the French and Germans

That was as a result of the country lurching to the left after the war, wasting the Marshall plan money on the NHS and poor management, union and political guidance.

I am a passionate supporter of remaining in the EU for a number of reasons:

1) Kinship. Europe is a white, Christian continent.

So those brown and black people are wearing  coloured make up them? You must be colour blind.

The reason the UK begged for twelve years to join the single market was because we were becoming inexorably poorer than the French and Germans

That was as a result of the country lurching to the left after the war, wasting the Marshall plan money on the NHS and poor management, union and political guidance

The Marshall plan wasn't agreed until 1948, but not paid for a time after. Less than 18 months later we had a very right wing government under Churchill who wanted desperately to be at the beginning of a "Federal States Of Europe" . It was also the start of 13 years of Tory governments, so al this lurching to the left is a pile of bulldust.

If you mean the Anglo American War loan negotiated by Keynes to pay off 'lend lease' and kick start our economy that was agreed in 1946 and finally paid off in 2006.

"Poor" possibly not the right adjective for the inherited wealth brigade, who have done nowt for themselves but align themselves with "achievers".

But Dave's many U turns and blustering when challenged have shown him up as an average PR man.

Sorry errytay but we often see your kind of ignorance from people with no appreciation of history. The post war Labour government was extremely radical. Churchill's and subsequent Tory government's did little to undo this agenda. Radical right wing? Dont make me laugh. It was called managed decline and the Tories adapted to the new reality of the working class having the upper hand. This managed decline remained up until the time of Thatcher.

So if I understand you correctly Broken you are a passionate advocate of the EU because you are a white supremacist who wants our children saluting the flag (presumably European) every morning and that the UK will cease to exist on June 24th if we vote out?

Have you been sniffing something?

Is he a white supremacist?

Good to be able to read some of Eeternal's post again, Burt.