Does Osborne get away with murder?

Mcdonnell is going to come out tell us that the debt is to high and we should be spending more. You tell me what is going to happen..

The default Tory "argument" provided by the Tory press and Tory TV pundits. "Don't look here, look at the other lot!"

When the other lot are suggesting policies that Zimbabwe would shirk away from that's not much of a surprise is it?

the short answer is - yes Osborne is

and the longer Corbyn is running the opposition, the longer this will continue to be true

In my wildest dreams I didn't think McDonnell would end up quoting from Mao's little red book.

No comments on the u-turn, CJ? Pretty humiliating stuff.

Nov 25, 2015 -- 2:17PM, DIE LINKE wrote:

No comments on the u-turn, CJ? Pretty humiliating stuff.

He took out a signed copy of Mao's little red book and started to quote from it.

I'm not sure anything else matters today.

Much prefer someone who listens to voters and aborts an unpopular and wrong policy than one who just charges forward without listening to peoples concerns.

i might be a bit thick but only weeks ago osbourne and his cronies were saying the loss of £1300 in tax credits were to be compensated by minimum wage rises and tax changes,as these are still in place,does that mean low paid workers are getting a £2600 pay rise

I thought that 1tp, if he's having a rethink about tax credits, what about the other stuff he was going to give away to make up for them?
Are they still on the table?

Basically. They'll get the same benefits plus the increased wage.

so theoreticaly if they had it in mind they were losing 1300 there 2600 better off,benidorm here we come

off course back in the real world lots of these people dont earn enough to benefit from rising personal allowance and firms will resist the minimum wage changes especialy after osbourne hit them a 3 billion apprentice tax today[tax on jobs when labour promise such things ]

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In my wildest dreams I didn't think McDonnell would end up quoting from Mao's little red book.

I thought Osbornes quip about it being McDonnells personal signed copy was pretty funny

But seriously, wtf was McDonnell thinking?

Mao's policies created one of the biggest famines in history. Hardly an economic guru.

well, if anyone wanted another example of why the Tories are getting such an easy ride

todays clusterf*ck of an opposition sums it up really

Gideon was laughing his nuts off, he couldnt believe his luck

yep, it was a cringeworthy performance. actually felt embarrassed for McDonnell, it was that bad.

Osborne still has the little red book. I'm sure this is not the last time we see it at the despatch box.

hmmm, there was a post which i replied to, which is now gone

the forum twilight zone continues

The problem for Corbyn and Mcdonnell is their lack of previous experience in the limelight. They have been used to heckling from the sidelines and now have their daft ideas exposed to public scrutiny every day. I had to laugh at the notion that Laboutr forced the U turn. It was Tory MP's and the Lords who convinced Osborne that now was not the time to reduce benefits.

Nov 25, 2015 -- 7:32PM, 1st time poster wrote:

off course back in the real world lots of these people dont earn enough to benefit from rising personal allowance and firms will resist the minimum wage changes especialy after osbourne hit them a 3 billion apprentice tax today[tax on jobs when labour promise such things ]

I'm not keen on it, but it's smart from a political pov. Labour have moved away from the centre-left so Osborne has filled that role.

The problem with a minimum wage is it's compulsory even if it leads to job losses.

The Mao book was the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen in politics, and I have the dubious joys of watching Parliament for about 20 hours a week.

It beats McDonnell's mental moment of running down from the back of the green benches onto the floor and picking up the mace.

As for that book, I think it will raise about £50k at an auction.

I can't imagine anybody would watch Parliament for 20 hours a week voluntarily so CJ must have a hob that requires him to
1/20 Some sort of Tory Party advisor
10/1 Journalist ( Torygrapgh/Spectator )

Well he might have a hob but I meant job.

One has an Aga dear boy.

You'd be surprised.

Going back to Mao and the stupidity of it. Instead of the story being about Osborne, we know have victims of Chinese Labour camps touring the media saying 45 million deaths are not a joke.

Outstanding achievement.

*now

billy spouting more rubbish about gideon being in the centre - left , course he is billy when is reducing gdp down to 36 percent even thatcher kept it at around 46 percent

osbourne is not as clever as he thinks he is far from it

It's posts like that which make you that feared debater, anxious.

Nov 26, 2015 -- 12:34PM, anxious wrote:

erm billy what i said about gideon was correct , your ridiculous claim that he is in the centre ground is nonsense

Yeah, as I said you are a towering intellect so you must be right.

Nov 26, 2015 -- 12:47PM, anxious wrote:

your problem seems to be billy that you think you are always right, ideas above your station and all that

Good luck running with that one on a betting site.

Osbourne has definitely moved to grab the centre with more policies that a labour chancellor could have introduced.

Who pays you Billy to watch 20 hrs a week ? Who are you Billy big shot ?

explain this to me
by the time osbourne returns his symbolic 10 billion surplus ,we,d have had 10 years of lies,tricks,stunts,20 or 30 spending reviews ,budgets,autumn statements etc and only if everything goes swimmingly will osbourne rise like a phoenix from the flames
yet OBR found 3 times as much down the back of their sofa in a month,so osbourne could have cancelled the tax credits squeeze handed out some xmas pressies carried on the same path as his post election budget and had a surplus today twice as big as the one he,s preying for in 5 years time,
off course we all no its a huge party game ,[lies and broken promises ] from 6th form politico,s who have nothing better to do

Well the towel folder has doubled the Debt, performed so many u turns it's surprising he hasn't disappeared up....

But when he remains Chancellor and  is in the running to be next PM, you have to applaud the Central Office spin doctors and the media puppets.

Well done; have a good weekend and I will see you back on Monday.