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06 Oct 15 16:08
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What 9 out of 10 Conservative voters don't realize is that their party calibrated their appeal to them to get them over the line. The lumpen Conservative voters hope their party will punish the less fortunate without realizing that they, too, are the less fortunate. They have elected a party created to enforce the Enclosure Acts, and now intent on creating a perpetual serf/landlord state.

Clearly, there has to be control on the output of the media. No-one whose first allegiance is not to Britain should have a voice. The people are too easily polluted with their agenda, unfortunately.
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Report unitedbiscuits October 6, 2015 7:57 PM BST
Crippen is a buy-to-let landlord. The only time his hands extricate themselves from their accustomed position under his bottom is when he posts on here.
Is that about right, Dr Crippen?
Report lfc1971 October 6, 2015 8:06 PM BST
unitedbiscuits surely if Dr Crippen has done well for himself that is to be admired. In this great country we are allowed to do whatever we want. We don't have to account for our behavior to anyone but ourselves...this is not a socialist republic.
Report Injera October 6, 2015 8:14 PM BST
The IOD fella was on Radio 5 this afternoon and totally out of his depth.

His answer to mass immigration was to 'build more houses'.


Hunt's comments weren't the wisest I've heard but he was talking about output and the over reliance on Govt tax credits.
Report unitedbiscuits October 6, 2015 8:15 PM BST
You know the country you are living in lfc1971. So do I, so does Dr Crippen, most of all, so does the Conservative Party. "Hard working people." Laugh out loud.
Report CJ70 October 6, 2015 8:39 PM BST
Isn't that why they won the election? The hard working people voted and the unemployed couldn't be bothered?
Report Eeternaloptimist October 6, 2015 10:09 PM BST
Clearly, there has to be control on the output of the media.

Scratch em and it's always there. Always.
Report anxious October 6, 2015 10:14 PM BST
thank the lord my beautiful hometown will be a tory free zone later this week again
Report anxious October 6, 2015 10:15 PM BST
there is a God after all
Report Dr Crippen October 6, 2015 10:43 PM BST
Crippen is a buy-to-let landlord.

You see, in this world there's two kinds of people my friend. Those who own property and those who pay rent.

Now you pay.

It's a bugger isn't it?
Report unitedbiscuits October 6, 2015 10:50 PM BST
I do both Crippen. Living beyond your imagination. You poor idiot.
Report mecca October 7, 2015 3:07 AM BST
I wonder how many people from The Institute of Directors live on a street with a high percentage of immigrants?
Report Dr Crippen October 7, 2015 9:57 AM BST
I do both Crippen. Living beyond your imagination.

Liar, you're just another toe-rag moaning about having to pay rent.
Report anxious October 7, 2015 11:15 AM BST
tut tut crippen your sailing close to the wind these days
Report Dr Crippen October 7, 2015 11:28 AM BST
Just returning like for like anxious.

He insults me so I return the favour, and he started it.

Why is it that lefties like anxious can only see one side of rude behaviour in an exchange?
Report anxious October 7, 2015 11:39 AM BST
no no crippen its not down to me its the new standards commitee that you should be careful with
Report anxious October 7, 2015 11:40 AM BST
you need to ask yer mate billy liar he will give you the full sp
Report Dr Crippen October 7, 2015 11:51 AM BST
Yet you warned me about my insult to UB, but ignored UB's insult to me?
Report anxious October 7, 2015 11:56 AM BST
the both of you crippen
Report CJ70 October 7, 2015 11:58 AM BST
Considering anxious posts nothing but insults, that's all a bit rich IMO.
Report unitedbiscuits October 7, 2015 12:49 PM BST
Don't remember insulting Dr Crippen and not bothered how he speculates about me.

What Dave states about housing won't be what happens. House ownership will be concentrated in ever fewer hands under the Conservatives.
Report akabula October 9, 2015 11:22 PM BST
Certainly the party for the law abiders.
What a disgrace to humanity that rabble was protesting in Manchester.
We live in a democracy but that lot would rather live under mob rule.
If you can't win the argument then strike out is their motto. Scumbags.
Report jollyswagman October 9, 2015 11:34 PM BST
the party for law abiders, are you joking? lets imprison poor people who defraud the social yes but the banksters who bankrupted the country get away scott free. we are not a democracy, we are an oligarchy.
Report lfc1971 October 10, 2015 8:40 AM BST
the bankers are innocent, it was the government.
Report lfc1971 October 10, 2015 9:17 AM BST
they were saying we had to be more like the Japanese, before Japan had its 20, 30 year recession, Jeremy Hunt is an idiot.
Report CJ70 October 10, 2015 10:05 AM BST

Oct 9, 2015 -- 11:34PM, jollyswagman wrote:

the party for law abiders, are you joking? lets imprison poor people who defraud the social yes but the banksters who bankrupted the country get away scott free. we are not a democracy, we are an oligarchy.

Come on that's not true! Rather than getting away scot free, Gordon gave them ermine.

Report anxious October 10, 2015 10:30 AM BST
the party for law abiders Laugh bankers are innocentLaugh
Report jollyswagman October 10, 2015 10:46 AM BST
cj, brown has nothing to do with whether or not the tories are the party of law abiders as akabula stated. you are, however, correct that he was enthralled by them.
Report sean rua October 10, 2015 11:20 AM BST

When we outlined how true communism will work ie. doing what ye said ye believe in ie. letting folk do what they want to do as much as possible, our dear brother, the late Pawras,
stated that this was impossible nonsense that would never work.

As ye know, capitalism works by getting other folk to do the hard work for ye. No capitalist ever got rich with his own two hands.
I agree that the definition of "work" is crucial.
I often heard those on Morning Line say they were "working at Ascot or York that day".
Personally, I would not class that as work.
There again I'm old fashioned. Most of my life was spent in the Twentieth Century.
Report akabula October 10, 2015 12:03 PM BST
You don't half talk some chyte sean. Laugh
Report anxious October 10, 2015 12:10 PM BST
not half as much as you akabula
Report Dr Crippen October 10, 2015 12:20 PM BST
sh!t rua,

As ye know, capitalism works by getting other folk to do the hard work for ye.

There is some truth in that - but you need to ask yourself the question of why you and your supporters are mostly on the wrong side of the deal?
Report akabula October 11, 2015 1:35 AM BST
Maybe there is some truth in that DrC but many of these capitalist got to where they are from humble beginnings and by working hard.
Report sean rua October 11, 2015 10:55 AM BST
come on here...

Sorry about the bad spelling.
Report Dr Crippen October 11, 2015 11:45 AM BST
You declare that you've never tried very hard to get on.
Then you write about inequality.
Thirdly you suggest working smart instead of working hard.
And finally deride those who do work hard to ensure a better future for themselves.

Doesn't it strike you that not trying very hard let alone working smart, and inequality are are linked?

Someone has to work hard as long as it isn't you. That's what I take from your post.

Am I correct?
Report Dr Crippen October 11, 2015 11:47 AM BST
^And sean's post that I replied to has been removed.

No doubt for using the P word.
Report Dr Crippen October 11, 2015 11:50 AM BST
Why use words that you know will cause offence to some people.
When using them results in your posts being taken down.

That's not working smart at all is it?
Report sean rua October 12, 2015 10:34 AM BST
Cheers, Doc.

My description of the qualities needed to succeed at capitalism seem to have been censored, even though this would be the best business manual ( and free advice) most on here will ever get.

I did state that I chose not to do these, bc I believe a man has to do the right thing and, for me, these were wrong.

Hard work? Few on here could have matched me in my prime. I did it for my kids.
Looking back, it wasn't the smart thing to do, but I gave it a good go till I got injured ( at work).

Then I had to go in for the gambling, which I'm pretty bad at.

That's the way the cookie crumbled. Nothing noteworthy.

None of it stops me seeing through capitalism. Btw, I wa sh it hot mustard at pricing up and did all my own estimates when I was a contractor. Only lost once, but didn't get enough work most years.
I was a fool; I completed too fast. Folk don't always appreciate that. They feel cheated and seem to prefer time-wasters.

As for the so-called swearing, wtf?
Folks on here chat about PC and luvvies, yet they can't take rough talk like men, but go running to the ref.
Hypocrites, imo.

Get this, when I go dancing, the lady always says be careful with the boobs. This seems acceptable, but if I said ti ts on here, some prudes would object.
Where is the logic?
Report unbiased October 12, 2015 10:55 AM BST
You do read a pile of never-ending tosh on this forum,and have to ask yourself what sort of mindset these posters have ,and how far detached they are from reality.
Many guys have built up businesses by working incredibily long hours,grafting 7 days/week in order to achieve their goals.The results of which gave employment to many workers,yet would be slated on here .
  Walking out of a racecourse with an owner who fitted the above perfectly,a stranger passing by just before we reached the owner's "roller",spouted "look at that ,I bet he has never done a proper days work in his life".As we got in my friend's  car he went along with the bystander and replied,"yes,I've never worked,had it given to me"!,as he couldn't be bothered to explain that he left school at 14,and had grafted his socks off for many many years.
Obviously it isn't unusual for people to jump to wrong conclusions,and be unaware of reality,living in their closeted world.
Report anxious October 12, 2015 11:01 AM BST
unbiased they are not doing it for others they are doing it for themselves and those at it 24 /7 are the ones obssessd by money and greed
Report sean rua October 12, 2015 11:03 AM BST
Ye are correct to say that folk jump to conclusions before they are in full possession of the facts, unbiased.

Personally, I try never to be personal, but oft times slip. I know nothing about your mate.

What I do know from reality, is that really big bucks do NOT generally come from hard work.
If they did, the 60% PC players on here would no longer be a minority ( say less than 2% of members).

Obviously, I cannot stand in every man's shoes, but, the fact is that my richest relation - who could probably put many on here in his back pocket - did NOT do it by working hard.
I won't elaborate, but do ye get my gist?

And btw, I don't class punting on btfr as real, productive, work.
Report unbiased October 12, 2015 11:29 AM BST
To repeat,many on here are "unaware of reality and living in their closeted world",which is often a world of resentment too.When given 100% facts,still cast doubt,unable to accept truth,wanting to distort it to conform to their twisted beliefs.Nothing more to be said!!!!!!!
Report anxious October 12, 2015 11:35 AM BST
your perception of reality unbiased -is one of grafting to give others work- what total nonsense
Report wildmanfromborneo October 12, 2015 12:07 PM BST
Why is Anxious surprised at the Institute of Directors being aghast by Mays speech,they want cheap labour.

May made her speech as if she has been the opposition for the last few years,she has done nothing to protect your borders.

All her wealthy donors want cheap labour,all her wealthy friends want cheap maids,nannies and gardeners.

There is an unholy alliance between the super rich and wealthy employers with the Liberal elite to impose immigration n the ordinary people for heir different nefarious reasons.
Report CJ70 October 12, 2015 12:17 PM BST
Always tickles me that those on here who have chosen a lifestyle of welfare reliance tend to be the most outspoken about what those who work think.
Report anxious October 12, 2015 12:28 PM BST
billy thinking he knows about other peoples lives, when in reality he knows very little
Report sean rua October 13, 2015 8:43 AM BST
Wilde is correct to state the obvious: the con&Unionist party want to further the interests of the ruling capitalist class by ensuring a cheap labour supply.

That is basic capitalist economics.

Let any man who has worked in mining and civil-engineering as long as me come on here and say that he is now a millionaire as a result of his own hard work.

We only have to look at the property developers in Ireland and the former bankers to see where the big money goes.
Report lfc1971 October 13, 2015 9:13 AM BST
It was the Labour and republican party that encouraged mass immigration, because of their hatred of Britishness they pursued this cynically, knowing but always denying the impact on those on low wages and the millions of unemployed.
Report Dr Crippen October 13, 2015 10:48 AM BST
So there you go.

Simply work hard and God will look after you.
Report Dr Crippen October 13, 2015 8:19 PM BST
No danger of anybody being reported for working themselves to death.
Report Mexico October 13, 2015 8:45 PM BST
£680 for that work sounds pretty good value. I suspect he must have used a private company. Very much doubt the local council would be able to change a light bulb for less than £300
Report Dr Crippen October 13, 2015 11:02 PM BST
I see cry's long tedious post has been removed.

He's neck and neck with sean now for the shortest lasting post of the month.
Report sean rua October 14, 2015 10:20 AM BST
Yep, it must be nice for the PC Luvvies to have a mate on the censor button. Never mind, we workers know the odds are stacked agin us. Nobody said it would be easy, but we ain't afraid of a bit of work.

Yes, "networking", privilege, and calling on the forces of the status quo when grassing, must be a lot easier lifestyle, but there used to be a thing called "honour".

Just for the other birkenhead boy, lfc666, cheap labour was WELL KNOWN  long before there was ever a fkn labour party.
Get a grip on yer history. Ye have plenty of time to study.

This eternal ping-pong between the two wings of party-political capitalism is a futile waste of time, but I guess 'tis the sort of sh ite that would appeal to folks brought up gawping at Coronation St etc.

And, for the umpteenth time, con&U, nulabor, and all the other inconsequentials are all best forgotten.
They are just a waste of space and everything else.

Join the real game-changers!
Report lfc1971 October 14, 2015 8:04 PM BST
Poor Sean is not very good at logical thinking. He claims the con&unionist party want to maintain  immigration to drive down wages.  I point out it was the Lab&republican party that encouraged mass immigration....his reply was there has always been cheap labour.

So thats ok then. Laugh
Report sean rua October 15, 2015 11:07 AM BST
Why be short-termist, birkenhead?Grin

I remember my grandson telling me " there's a new thing for your hair now, grandad."
I said "oh yeah, what's that?"
"Brylcream" was his reply.

With age we get experience. We've seen most of the sh ite decades before. learn the underlying patterns and ye see better. The knee-jerk reaction from the sixthform college will all look rather silly when ye grow up and understand the craic.

Please remember that, as an example, your own area had huge Irish immigration in the 19th Century and, of course, your corresponding anti-Irish organisations grew up at the same time.
Because ye are still impressionable, ye seem to be overlooking the Big Picture.
Context is everything when ye want to talk sh ite on here.

Btw, I think ye support the idea of cheap labour, do ye not?
'Twas something I always hated myself, but I agree we probably did undercut englishmen in the early days.
Life keeps travelling on.Happy
Report sageform October 15, 2015 11:19 AM BST
If there really are so many "serfs" out there, why did they vote Conservative or UKIP as 54% of the English voters did?
Report sean rua October 15, 2015 11:21 AM BST
Not sure I follow your question, sage?

Is this one for, birkenhead?
Report susie October 22, 2015 6:28 PM BST
Yes, those were the days. "you've never had it so good" used to be the motto.
The party of the small businessman, the saver, the person who wanted to buy his own home, the taxpayer who wanted to see police on the street, and a strong military to protect our shores.

Corporate spivs, tax dodgers, London sold off to off shore tax havens, "Affordable" housing starting at £450K, Tax credits slashed for lower paid workers, Utilities and transport owned by overseas interests, and begging the Chinese to build power stations for us so that a French company can sell us power. National Debt DOUBLED.

My grannie wouldn't recognise the party she supported for all those years.
Report Ruth October 22, 2015 6:43 PM BST
Are the Conservatives really for hard working people these days. When I was last in the UK the general view was that they were all for people who had loadsofmoney, and they were not hugely bothered whether they did much work or not. Has this changed over the last 7 years or so?
Mind you I seem to remember that Tony was generally in favour of the same people that the Conservatives were!
Report TheBaron October 22, 2015 6:47 PM BST
What about us non hard working people?  No party seems to care about usSad
Report Ruth October 22, 2015 6:55 PM BST
Hiya Baron. Nice butch name - I like it!
I guess there is a bit more voter credibility in saying you are all for hard working people as opposed to idle yobbos.
My guess is that saying you are all for the hard workers rather than shirkers makes little difference to any party's actually policies. This is a bit cynical admittedly.
From what I have seen the poorly paid hard workers who have needed hand outs (tax credits) to enable them to pay rent/buy food etc are about to get a serious financial hair cut; but perhaps this is a misunderstanding?
Report anxious October 22, 2015 7:26 PM BST
hello there ruth would you describe yourself as a hardworking thatcherite
Report CJ70 October 22, 2015 10:10 PM BST

Oct 22, 2015 -- 6:47PM, TheBaron wrote:

What about us non hard working people?  No party seems to care about us

Eh? That's Labour core voters there.

Report Dr Crippen October 22, 2015 10:44 PM BST
''The harder you work the longer you live.''

You'll never guess who I heard say that - Sir Denis Thatcher.
And Sir Denis knew a thing or two about making money.

Mind you he might have had something at that, because if you're rich you've got a much better chance of living to a ripe old age than if you are poor.

On the other hand you can work a horse to death, and be the richest person in the cemetery.
Not much chance of that if you're a benefit claimer or a low paid worker.
Report unitedbiscuits October 23, 2015 7:28 PM BST
You can t fault Crippen's logic: Rich people live longer therefore they must deserve to.
Report Dr Crippen October 23, 2015 9:20 PM BST
You're learning Ub, you can't beat the system.
Report unitedbiscuits October 23, 2015 9:34 PM BST
Well see, you are going to be knocked off your complacent pivot one day, Dr Crippen.
A question from a previous post asked (sic) "Why have so many ordinary people in England voted Tory?" Once we have attained power,the first thing we have to stop is people self-harming through voting against their best intersts. This will be made impossible.
Report Eeternaloptimist October 23, 2015 10:10 PM BST
Does anybody else actually believe that Broken Biscuits is serious? I think he just could be.
Report anxious October 23, 2015 10:19 PM BST
11.3 million sheep
Report sean rua October 24, 2015 8:42 AM BST
If we look at scientific evidence regarding fast cars and machinery, I feel we'd quickly see the truth about "wear and tear".

I visited many a scrapyard where there are old dozers and scrapers and dump trucks lying twisted and broken after a life working hard in some quarry or motorway- build.

Maybe it hinges on what we actually mean by "hard" work?
I'd guess Bruce Forsyth's shoes are pretty shiny after all that "hard work" he's done. Good game.

Definition is key.

Btw, rich folk buy their life extensions and save a lot of energy during life by getting others to do the dodgy bits for them. Even so, they, like the rest of us, cannot dodge the Grim Reaper forever.
That is the only guaranteed thing in life, be wee rich or poor.

I believe work strengthens us, but not when we do too much of it against our will. That leads to trouble.
Report CJ70 October 24, 2015 9:21 AM BST
Funnily enough the city mantra for traders tends to be millionaire by 30 dead by 40.

All through loafing about, no doubt?
Report sean rua October 24, 2015 9:25 AM BST
"The good die young", CJ.

They ( whoever "they" are) used to say "humour is the best medicine. Facts are that showbizz comics don't seem to last long; some even die on the stage and the crowd keeps laughing.Sad

I think we can drive ourselves too hard; it ain't healthy.
Report CJ70 October 24, 2015 10:06 AM BST
Considering I'm on my third coffee this morning I'm acutely aware of this!
Report Dr Crippen October 24, 2015 11:18 AM BST
Use a machine and you'll wear it out.
The opposite applies to your body.
Not using your body wears that out.

Simples innit?
Report sean rua October 24, 2015 2:44 PM BST
No, that doesn't follow, DR.

I agree that with living bodies, use strengthens in the main. That's why sitting about on here is so bad and un-natural.

All the bones I ever saw analysed on so-called science programs mostly led them to say, " Oh, these folk were very hard toilers, witnessed by the mishapen bones and arthritic conditions we find".

A baby with an ar se softer than your face ain't got these things.

I'd say 80% of the btfr forumites have the "Walsall Hump". This is not the result of years of stitching saddles, but comes from them counting all their winnings and the rent they make from all these houses they tell us they own.
That must be real hard work, I guess. Happy
Report Dr Crippen October 24, 2015 5:31 PM BST
No, that doesn't follow, DR.

Well you've written nothing that suggest it isn't true.

Of course you can overdo it.
Like the working class types who toil away all day doing manual work, then spend all their spare time boozing and smoking in the pub.

That's what I call burning the candle at both ends.
Yet they never seen to realise the damage they are doing to their bodies.
Then when they're finished at fifty they blame it all on their work.
They usually wind up skint as well, despite earning good money all of their working lives.
Report unitedbiscuits October 24, 2015 6:59 PM BST
Why not just say "Arbeit macht frei."? Sounds good coming from a landlord.
Report Dr Crippen October 24, 2015 7:06 PM BST
Marvellous wit UB.

You should be writing for Frank Skinner coming out with stuff like that.
Report sean rua October 25, 2015 6:17 AM GMT
Dr, my friend,

ye chat about us as though we had/have the time and freedom of the bourgeois and aristocracy to sit in some Paris cafe day and night discussing the ins and outs of lifestyle whist sipping champagne.

This, brother, is NOT possible for the greater bulk of humanity on earth. It ain't like that in real life.

Sorry for the shock, but that's the harsh reality.

Do ye really think Pawras's ancestors considered the health aspects of coal-mining, chatted it over with the fkn careers officer, and then calmly decided after a leisurely few weeks whether such a career would sit well on their CV and resume?

Working for the Man ain't healthy. Period. After a hard shift, a man needs some "recreation". Drink was our game, long before ye boys came along with your designer drugs.

Sure, knock our class all ye like, BUT, one day we'll come back with the tables turned. Ye had better hope that folk will be listening to my ideas by then, for if not,
things ain't going to be too pleasant for your ilk , ie, the smart alec, condescending, pi ss-takers. Happy

Anyway, ye know yourself that co ke is rife in the City. The boys "deserve" it after clinching all those important deals. Ahem.
Report Dr Crippen October 25, 2015 10:43 AM GMT
After a hard shift, a man needs some "recreation".

Here we go - they've always got an excuse.

They didn't learn anything at school because their parents couldn't afford to buy them books.
They couldn't get a decent job when they left school because they didn't have any qualifications.
They drink too much because of the stress of their job.
They smoke to calm their nerves.
They're overweight because their bodies are different.
They didn't buy their own home because they were too busy knocking out kids to save for a deposit.
They didn't save for a pension because they no one told them about them. 

They've always got an excuse and it's usually someone else's fault.

Do me a favour.
Report sean rua October 26, 2015 10:00 AM GMT
Ye have it slightly wrong, doc, despite, no doubt, having taken advantage, in your opinion, of all the opportunities ye list above.

'Tis the system that's no good. Can ye not see that? It ain't no excuse.

Btw, are ye sure that ye are not Pawras? Ye sound like him.
What do ye say about his dad and grandfather? Ye seem to have lumped them in the category of working- class wasters.

The point is that the ruling class send their kids to public schools bc of the subsequent advantage they get from this.

Ye may not realise it or agree, but, just like the racing game, inside information and networking are the key components of success.

The rulers have to know things that we don't. This privilege gives them immense opportunities and they can be light years ahead of us.
Ye mentioned pensions and investments: these dudes have "the right investments" started for them right from birth.
Surely, ye don't believe they are going to tell the likes of ye and me about all this?

I don't even bother about these boys; they're doing fine. They are never going to help us. We have to help ourselves.
"Nobody is as smart as everybody".
Report Dr Crippen October 26, 2015 10:39 AM GMT
Yes the system is loaded against the poor. That's how it works.
We can't all be well off.
Somebody has got to do the menial work and live in the lousy properties.

So only the ones who make the effort can climb out of the pit.

It's perfectly natural for the under achievers to be fed up with their lot.
That's just too bad.
I can't see the rest of us losing any sleep over their predicament.
When they'd rather pee their cash up the wall as soon as they get some rather than look after it.
Report anxious October 26, 2015 11:40 AM GMT
an wonderful humane thesis on life from crippens world
Report Dr Crippen October 26, 2015 1:36 PM GMT
You know it's true as well don't you anxious?
Report unitedbiscuits October 26, 2015 6:43 PM GMT
You don't have to look through Dr Crippen's dystopian mincers. The world is a better place than he sees.
Report unitedbiscuits October 26, 2015 8:14 PM GMT
Since a capitalist works his money rather than himself, "Conservatives for Hardworking People" is merely the palatable version of "Arbeit Macht Frei" in the 1940's, a sick contradiction in terms.

Going back to my original post, the ammonia feed of 45 years of Sunpropaganda has worn through much of the fabric that bound the country together.
Report Dr Crippen October 26, 2015 9:25 PM GMT
Wall Street: Money Never Sleeps was on Film4 earlier tonight.

Good film that.
Report sean rua October 27, 2015 9:29 AM GMT
    I thought, originally, that, like your double, Poorar se, ye were a reasonably intelligent fellow. This may well be the case, but I realise now that ye are very shallow, probably under thirty years of age, and imbued with the
judaic-puritan work ethic.
All that stuff about not hiding your talents under a bushel or leaving them buried in the ground etc.

This is all fair enough, and I'm not saying ye can help it.

Obviously, though, no doubt, ye will deny it, your lot got an invaluable edge in the grabbing stakes bc ye were allowed to practice usury ( money-lending) at a time when the vast majority of us considered it to be wrong and unmanly.

I cannot fathom why ye make such protestations about it. Why do ye not just admit it? Ye got lucky and took advantage of others while they had their hands full doing hard work.

Again, your ingrained bias agin the ordinary working class was revealed by your refusal to criticise the champagne quaffing, coke sniffing, boys in the City , as they celebrate another coup that is somehow supposed to help our country's economy.
All this at the same time as ye regurgitate all these anti-working class tv shows and D Mail articles that are designed to make little middle class prudes feel better about themselves. Grin

Contrasting this attitude with that of another hard, ultra-conservative, groper, who , only the other day was greeting me back from the funerals in Ireland with
the expected tirade of personal abuse which surpassed even the notorious btfr forum for crass stupidity.
In his unfounded rant, he managed to
call an OAP with grandchildren in double figures a " 16yr old virgin who had never had the ride or been on a session down the pub" (paraphrased).

While elsewhere, in threads started by other ultra-conservative activists, there has been condemnation of myself for being a wayward, silly old senile drunkard!Laugh

Tell me, how the fk is serial-loser Nige ever going to weld a cohesive, effective unit out of such a ragbag of scoundrels?Happy

This is where your con&U party, with their lip-service respect for "democracy" falls down.
Just like jeremy, ye cannot deal with the hoi polloi.

That's the Catch 22 for capitalism when it bothers to get into party politics. It can't work, so it don't work.
This is why they maintain the House of Lords.
'Tis all one big charade.

Hard work has nothing to do with it. It ain't the way to make lovve.
Report CJ70 October 27, 2015 10:07 AM GMT

Oct 26, 2015 -- 9:14PM, unitedbiscuits wrote:

Since a capitalist works his money rather than himself, "Conservatives for Hardworking People" is merely the palatable version of "Arbeit Macht Frei" in the 1940's, a sick contradiction in terms.Going back to my original post, the ammonia feed of 45 years of Sunpropaganda has worn through much of the fabric that bound the country together.

Where are all these capitalists getting their money from?

You give yourself away with such statements.

Report unitedbiscuits October 27, 2015 11:28 AM GMT
Where are all these capitalists getting their money from?

It's the Conservatives who give themselves away, as champions of inherited wealth.
Report CJ70 October 27, 2015 12:06 PM GMT
Somewhere Viscount Stansgate is laughing at you.

Your comments say more about your perceived world view than you'd like to.
Report anxious October 27, 2015 3:32 PM GMT
after all one friend of thatcher once said - no with a conscience votes tory
Report Eeternaloptimist October 27, 2015 5:06 PM GMT
Nobody with a brain votes Labour.

I'd be pretty sure your character assessment of Crips is well wide of the mark sean. One thing I'm reasonably certain of is that he's having a good old belly laugh at your gullibility. It's not his fault you were too stupid to make something of yourself and now have to wear your callouses and bunions as badges of honour when you actually won the lottery of life and got the vast majority of things for free or dirt cheap which is something even the present young ones could only dream of.
Report anxious October 27, 2015 5:57 PM GMT
ET your so full of baloney, and stop commenting on all the threads and forums anybody would think you were in charge of the miserable gaff Crazy
Report anxious October 27, 2015 5:58 PM GMT
talk about ideas above your station Crazy
Report sean rua October 28, 2015 8:21 AM GMT
ET, mate,

sadly, I did things the hard, honourable way, and got very little for free. This was probably way before ye were born, so I don't really expect ye to understand.
I don't look for sympathy; Iwas one of billions doing the same thing. Our biggest mistake was to listen and believe what the rulers said.
They said the same old **** about hard work being the way for us. Well, it wasn't the way to material success, I can tell ye that for nothing.

I do agree we have to put the effort in, but, overall, smart work will tend to beat hard work.


btw, there's nothing personal in my replies to Doc. I try to stick to the principles and beliefs. Yeah, there are plenty of generalisations, but that's what we have to do when discussing vast things like global political systems.

We'll get there in the end.
Report susie November 2, 2015 5:16 PM GMT
Not any more.

Those ordinary guys who work, pay taxes, save for hard times, aspire to own their own place, aspire to send the kids to uni etc.  are nothing to the Bullingdon mob.

Trust funders lecturing us about "Strivers" and "scroungers",  a long way removed from the Conservatives of a few years back.
Report TommyBarnes November 2, 2015 5:49 PM GMT
Dr C, you must be joking Money Never Sleeps is a terrible film, the first Wall Street film was a classic even if you despise everything it stands for. The second is a turkey, Shia is a terrible actor and the whole film stinks.
Report CJ70 November 2, 2015 6:06 PM GMT

Nov 2, 2015 -- 5:16PM, susie wrote:

Not any more.Those ordinary guys who work, pay taxes, save for hard times, aspire to own their own place, aspire to send the kids to uni etc.  are nothing to the Bullingdon mob.Trust funders lecturing us about "Strivers" and "scroungers",  a long way removed from the Conservatives of a few years back.

What you summarise there is the bogey man that those oppose the Conservative party want them to be. I've made it clear on here that I openly campaign against the Conservative party, but scare-mongering and creating fictional demons of political opponents is just silly and doesn't work when trying to change the mind of people you are trying to influence.

Report susie November 2, 2015 7:38 PM GMT
On what grounds do you openly campaign against the Conservatives ?

I can only speak as a disenchanted third generation Conservative, who finds my daughter paying 50% of her income in rent and despite a good job priced out of a property market dominated by BTL landlords and overseas buyers, saddled with student debt; to a lesser degree my savings have been eroded. But my main concern is for the younger aspiring generation.

All a far cry from the society that the likes of Tebbit etc, thought they were building.
Report CJ70 November 2, 2015 8:04 PM GMT
What do you mean by what grounds?

You've basically just listed changes that Labour brought in to rebalance the UK economy there. Not sure what that has to do with my comments.
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