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All sorts could be done but there’s no real political will to do so, nothing will ever change while we are in the EU
Refusing to pay any handouts to anyone not born here or hasn't paid at least 5 years income tax & ni above a certain threshold would help quite a bit. HHmm also :- chop housing benefit to f all so the housing market equalises out chop working tax credits to f all and up the min wage , rather than finance companies wage bills basically outlaw living on handouts as a life style choice, if you're not GENUINELY disabled, and there’s a job within x miles radius, regardless of whether it’s shovelling sh&t , you’re doing it or no handouts. outlaw giving jobs to non uk citizens if it can be shown a uk citizen is available to do the work force all companies doing business in the uk to pay uk tax on uk profits or get the f out. Etc etc etc |
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When you have the situation where around 9 out of 10 Scots receive more in largesse from the State than they pay in taxes you start to realise how out of kilter the tax and benefit system is - and 45% of them wanted independence from the UK taxpayer! Brainless!
The situation is little different in Wales and the North of England. It's madness. |
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pawras 24 Nov 14 13:57
chop housing benefit to f all so the housing market equalises out If Housing Benefit is lowered, and the new figure, wherever it's applied in the UK, could mean that buy-to-let landlords can't pay the mortgage, so they could sell the property instead. Where will all the homeless people live, with the current nationwide shortage of council houses? |
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The whole welfare state is a total mess but someone is going to have to grasp the nettle at some point because even with the exorbitant levels of tax we pay in real terms it’s becoming more and more unaffordable.
I'm not in any way against btl investments but I am against financing them with housing benefit i.e. my taxes. If some of btl's go belly up so what , the government could increase it's housing stock by buying some of them. you obviously couldn't chop housing benefit over night as that would cause chaos, but I would initially lower it to the point that I wouldn’t be financing anyone to live inside the m25 , or in affluent areas, in properties that many who work in an avg job couldn't afford the rent on. that would end up with a shortage of people willing to work in London and other areas, which would then mean either an increase in wages across the board in that area and/or a drop in house prices. I agree with the idea of building some more social housing, they'd be mainly tower blocks rather huge sprawling sh&t estates. But mixing private and social housing doesn't work, those that have scrimped and saved to buy their own home don't tend to feel very positive towards someone living across the street in the same house for f all. Basically I would up min wage to about £8 but at the same time I can’t see a justification for the total of all benefits a household can receive, except the genuinely disabled, being anymore than what someone gets for 40 hrs a week on min wage. If you have to live in a different area and can’t spawn numerous kids as a result then tough really because why should other people spend their lives financing you? |
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There are plenty of sh1tholes inside the M25.
And the non-enforceable living wage in London is £8-80p an hour, and if you believe the stories, over 1,000 companies already pay it. We can't pick and chose what taxes are spent on. My list would start with giving fack all to any other country in the world as aid, which the luvvies won't like, and say it's racist. |
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I would class most of it inside the m25 as a sh&thole for what it costs.
I was meaning £8 across the whole country , maybe it would have to be higher in London. My fundamental point being that taxes shouldn't be susidising low wages and overly high rents. I agree on the foreign aid, the luvvies love to bandy that word about in attempt to close down any opinion they don't like, they should try looking up the actual definition. |
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My plan would be a mansion tax on the rich
push top tax rate up to 90% make sure multi national corporations pay tax make sure all rich pay their tax, close all tax avoidance schemes, take tax rectoactively the government itself creates jobs probably won't clear our debt, but doubt anything will just makes it a fairer society and me feel a but better |
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nothing to see here (another monologue),
just a skin deep understanding of finance and a complete ignorance of the real underlying issues - like is said larry, leave this financial stuff alone, it's way over your pay grade |
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Go on Melly. Tell us what Hugh Hendry said to you as you dry humped his leg. Don't be shy.
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Ebul : You are a nice enough guy but you are suffering a disconnect from reality.
As the top 10% of earners pay over half the tax already and when you see 40% it actually means 50%+ when you take into account both NI because both come out of your wages believe me. So say you went back to the 70s and went for an increase and people starting leaving as they did in the 70s. Plus people are more mobile now so a lot more would leave a lot quicker, so who would make up the missing input to the treasury? Or would you whack it up further until even more of them left? Then where would the money come from? I agree on all profits companies should be subject to UK tax though. Your idea of a fairer society entails me handing my hard over to other people via the government, and I’m afraid fck that. Plus I know you’ve mentioned everyone should be paid the same which is total lowest common denominator nonsense in my eyes. Do you honestly think people are going to strive to succeed if they can only make the same as the lazy dossers that don’t really feel like trying?? I don’t think £8 an hour is a lot, when you combine that with zapping tax credits which subsidise wages for companies out of taxes I think it’s ok. |
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Given as soon as you hit about 42k you're effective rate is basically 50% when you include ni I'd say we have a far far too socialist economy already.
I don't see why i should handover anything over 30% (all in), and I'm being generous then. |
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I thought I might hit a nerve there
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Ebul you have hit a nerve...
"The government itself creates jobs" Comic genius . Tax & spend what could go wrong??? |
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 ebul you're entitled to espouse what ever you want so long as you realise the reality is likely to be rather different |
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Ours must be the most selfish generation in history susie. Denuding the rest of the world of their productive young, swelling the population to create an illusion of growth, obsession with our house prices at the expense of the young and of course blowing up the national debt like it's an ever expanding balloon.
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Watching the debt rise by £4k per second is frightening Mr Optimist.
Naively I thought the Coalition would at least halt the rise. Living within a Budget does not come as easily to them as to the rest of us. Tebbitt, Major, Heath, and dare I mention her did not have such a privileged childhood. Norman speaks for many of us when he describes the current "Tories". |
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Why do we infantilise ourselves in front of these barely competent brigands? They dont know anything. They have never created anything or really done anything. They should be treated with about as much respect as the average pawn broker because what they do amounts to little more than that. They take from one source, give to another and slice a bit off for themselves.
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Naively I thought the Coalition would at least halt the rise. Living within a Budget does not come as easily to them as to the rest of us.
You can't cut debt by cutting expenditure. The spare capacity and lack of capital flow have serious knock-on effects on the rest of the economy. You can't just deal with the problem by cutting benefits either-the costs of losing people to the black economy, permanent health effects arising from poverty and the productively loss from those who would have used the cash to get back into work or business is not trivial. At best the savings are negated, at worst they are outstripped. Then your into a death spiral where the right demands even more petrol on the bonfire. |
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You can't cut debt by cutting expenditure. The spare capacity and lack of capital flow have serious knock-on effects on the rest of the economy.
You do talk some rubbish cheese. |
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He's obviously a tax and spend lefty
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cheese,
Expenditure covers a whole range of issues. We are constantly told the government's power is being usurped by Brussels. Why then do we need the biggest House of Lords in history, and the largest Cabinet in history? Why do we need several layers of local government? These should be priorities, not spare bedrooms. Sorry Tory boys this lot are as weak, selfserving, and servile to the Financial Services and the Media Corporations as the last lot. |
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I think this problem is world wide
The Credit Crunch has made it a lot worse, it is difficult to see how on earth anybody's debt can be cleared We have pushed capitalism too hard, I think the whole lot will crash at some stage, when the US cannot back its interest on it debt We are relying on indefinite expansion, this is not possible. I notice despite 3/4 million public workers thrown out of a job, a clamp down on benefits, we are still running a deficit? Because of course by doing this we take out the economy which does not help business I doubt anyone can clear our debt, if we can get back to clearing our deficit probably best we can do I have little faith Cameron will do it, I dont think he cares really as long as the rich are ok. We need to reduce immigration but can we afford to leave the EU tricky? |
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As for the next election
The top half will vote Tory, because they will be better off The bottom half will vote Labour, because they will better off Those in the middle will decide it I admit I will vote Labour, because that is where I am, the bottom half. I also fid The Tories since Thatcher, Major and Cameron morally evil, they care nothing for society as a whole. I never thought they were too bad before that, although always pro business, one would expect that. ps If Cameron gets in ain't the worse result for me, because he has guaranteed to protect pensions but I still think these monetarist policies are evil, so I am obliged to vote Labour despite disagreeing with all their weird equalities, only economic equality concerns me. I see too many people at the bottom suffering. |
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I cannot help throwing outrageous communism statements now and again
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You have to ask did overthrowing communism do us much good, since we have made the world even more competitive
so it is now harder for us. Also look where a large number have come This wonderful desire to support Ukraine, if they get into EU, guess where they will come...here We don't use a lot of sense at times |
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This wonderful desire to support Ukraine, if they get into EU, guess where they will come...here No, they'll go to Germany or Poland because they are more accessible and more dynamic economically. In fact they already do. There isn't nearly the level of interesting in immigrating to this country that you might imagine. Do you not remember the Romanian hordes that were supposed to be coming here? Did it not occur to you that immigrants might just not be that interested? |
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I will check the figures
but our population is going up, it needs to go down we are getting poorer as a country we no longer compete well enough, the hard truth |
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We should stop living in this dream world we are a world power any more
The US rules now, let them do their own dirty work They wont abandon Europe, they are too frightened of the Russians taking over. I would advise us to keep Nuclear weapons, but for the rest we only defend our own territories The rest of the World is no longer our concern....we have enough problems of our own |
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but our population is going up, it needs to go down
And who do you think is going to support the ageing population? |
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Yes we have an ageing population but you can’t just keep booting the issue into the long grass by increasing the population via immigration, when we have a finite amount of space and the immigrants will get old as well and the problem will mushroom.
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And who do you think is going to support the ageing population?
Not the ones we're importing that's for sure. They'll all be claiming themselves as they get older. That's if they're not already claiming now through tax credits, housing benefits etc. Your Ponzi scheme isn't even possible. |
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We're making the potential problem with our aging population worse by importing people before they're needed.
Why not wait and see? We can always import people when we need them to do the donkey work. At the moment we don't need them. Anyway I don't want to be looked after in my old age by a racist immigrant. |
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Just when you think cheese can't trump his lunacy he trumps his own lunacy:
And who do you think is going to support the ageing population? You might be able to grow him in a bag of compost but you couldn't invent him. |
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ebul
The top half will vote Tory, because they will be better off The bottom half will vote Labour, because they will better off Those in the middle will decide it I don't think maths is your strong point is it ebul? |
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Yes we have an ageing population but you can’t just keep booting the issue into the long grass by increasing the population via immigration, when we have a finite amount of space and the immigrants will get old as well and the problem will mushroom.
Of course they will, but not when a hugely disproportionate number of the population is old and unable to work. We have a demographic timebomb. I shouldn't have to explain that. |
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You do need to explain what happens when your incomers get old cheese. Not only will the indiginous Brits then need looking after but so will your incomers. Who looks after them? You also need to clarify if you understand what a ponzi is?
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Not a single one of all these "larry-merry-go-round" contrived posts say anything of value or present an original idea. Just the same misconceptions about debt, deficits and the one that the racist halfwit always finds a way to bring into the conversation......immigration. But there is one in particular that made me laugh the most, so here it goes:
Ours must be the most selfish generation in history susie. Denuding the rest of the world of their productive young, swelling the population to create an illusion of growth, obsession with our house prices at the expense of the young and of course blowing up the national debt like it's an ever expanding balloon. Really, we are selfish? As compared with what other generation that was not selfish? Humans are wired to be selfish - if that wasn't the case they'd be no rich and poor through the dawn of civilized time because those who accumulated wealth they'd hand all back to the poor because they were not selfish. Selfish is good, like the man said, greed is good, because benevolence has never made anyone a millionaire except perhaps the Pope and even then I have my doubts. Denuding the rest of the world of their productive young??? Where do I start with this one? I thought larry and larry and larry and larry were anti-immigration because all this unproductive rif-raf migrates to the UK to enjoy our social system benefits and abuse the system. Now they are "productive young"?!?!? Can't have it both ways......well, in larry's case with his 1000 voices....you can't. Illusion of growth??? You keep bringing this up larry and i keep explaining it you but it seems it keeps going over your head. The wealth is real, not an illusion. Just because of your wretched condition you've been left out, that doesn't make the wealth an illusion. On the aggregate as a society we are more wealthy than ever before, and not just on fiatcos larry, REAL STUFF. Homes, second properties, vacation homes, cars, boats, yachts, high end hifi systems, icrap, all kind of things we surround ourselves with to make out life easier, holidays for our leisure and pleasure. You miss out, too bad, but just because you missed out that doesn't make it an illusion. Get some one to wheel you to a window and open it ffs, the wealth (and envy) will jump right at you. The deficit is another one where you and a lot of your characters still don't get despite having it explained to you dozen of times. The deficit is blowing, that's great, i wish it blew out more. Why? because it adds to the wealth created in this country and if the CONSEQUENCE is able to borrow more AT THE LOWEST INTEREST RATE EVER, then I want more of it. (There is a lot more to be said about deficits and your misunderstanding them but I am a bit pressed for time now - plus if it has already been explained to you a dozen times and you still don't get it, it's likely to be a waste of time explaining it again) Like I said, in the end you turned out to be remarkably stupid. |