Socialist Labour MPs

Clive Efford MP for Eltham and Steve Rotheram the scouse MP for one of the Liverpool regions,i think its the pooorest area of the country.

steve rotheram indeed. he is well-meaning, but unrealistic. walton aint that poor. people assume that large numbers of benefit claimants =poor. it does not. the real poor people are the ones that that get up and go to work, for little money.

i know walton well. it has some big victorian houses, inhabited by claimants on hb who are skint(ie not much cash) but live in houses beyond the dreams of people who go to work(cant pay the rent, so live in bedsits).

the system is iniquitous(look it up) and breeds resentment among the poor buggers who work and those that see no reason to do so.

Bentley

Maybe there are no more socialists because the intelligent and rational came to realise that capitalism for all it's faults wiped the floor with socialism and made everybody better off. To the point that wooly liberals had to redefine what poverty meant because there was no longer any real poverty to talk about.

The real battle to be had is over what kind of capitalistic system we should have. Currently we have crony corporatism with dashes of muddle headed socialism thrown in. Not at all a good system.

exactly.i said socialism has been a disaster for humanity. would you like me to name a few, as you have?

lenin, stalin, trotsky, mao, kim-il sung and his heirs, ho chi minh, honecker, ulbricht, pol pot, hoxha, castro, causescu, zhivkov, tito. all wrote extensively about the necessity of socialism and their determination to put it into practice. didnt work out tooo well did it?. and they are just the ones off the top of me bonce. ive had too much sherbert.

interesting you name benn as a great socialist; he said mao was his political hero. thats right; the biggest mass-killer in history a hero of a socialist politician that you highlight as an exemplar. only goes to show what a **** you are. i can barely imagine the response to a tory politician who stuck up someone like franco(a pigmy in the murder stakes) as his hero.

and the idea that i would stalk a cretin like you.... yougorralaff.

Bentley

There are several linking explanations for the banking crisis but none of them arise from capitalism. Be it the bailing out of LTCM in 98 sending a green light that failures would have a safety net thrown beneath them (socialisation of the losses. Where have I heard that term before?). Through interference in the natural correcting of the markets following the dot com bust and low interest rates and cheap money flooding into all manner of malinvestments. Onto sub prime and liar loans whose genesis was political in origin.

How does any of that put capitalism in the dock? Failures should fail. First rule of capitalism.

You can cut it any way you like but socialism is a ghost ship for a very good reason. Even the rats left it long ago.

yet again you are selective in what you respond to and evade the point. unlike cowards like you, i answer every question, because i do not shrink from uncomfortable truths. never mind.

what are you saying? i said it was despicable the a socialist mp, benn (an example of a good socialist, highlighted by you) would declare a mass-murderer to be his political hero.

and what was the response from the left when benn declared his admiration for mao? silence. thatchers involvement with pinochet? howls of loathing, despite pinochet being a boy scout compared to the greatest murderer of all. but you ignore this, thereby proving my point. thank you. idiot.

why does bender not admit that socialism has been a catastrophe? ive stated it quite boldy, he hasnt denied it. why not? nor does he deny its crimes. an indictment in itself, is it not? the best he can do is stick up ones he likes. pitiful.

eo, you have given him an excuse to engage in obfuscation, whic he will seize, because he is out of his depth, and knows it.

anyway, off to bed now, so you two bores can get on with your sixth-form 'debate'. and bender can abuse me in my absence, because it makes him feel better.

Poor old Bentley refuses to leave his time warp, I'm sure every night he goes at stands by the pit gate and has a little sob.

Attlee, Bevan, Foot, Wilson, you sound like those boring old duffers that used to catch the bus to the football with Stanley Matthews, it's all nostalgic bollox.

Tell us about all the right wing/capitalist Governments from the USA to Iceland that allowed capitalisms first rule to take it's course.

It's a while ago now bentley but didn't Iceland allow it's major banks to fold and despite all the predictions of anarchy and death it is now doing quite alright?

I've said it for some time though that this is crony corporatism we are currently witnessing. Capitalism built. Corporatism arrived like a cuckoo in the nest to wreck it. We need to find a way to wrest back control from those who are bleeding us dry.

Corporationism?

snickers,he has proved it,done a mans job and has the support of a working class community who love him

I'm sure your hero worship is entirely genuine Pandora, I actually think he is a rather sad comic figure these days but at least he is one of the few parliamentary characters left amongst the anodyne careerists. However, neither you nor dearly beloved Dennis can deny he lied about standing down at 65.

Gordon Brown,the WORST C of Ex in my lifetime.Totally clueless on monetary matters,a disaster from start to finish.
And no,I don't vote.

Skinner showing himself up again on the floor of the house yesterday. Surely someone in the party can see the guy is senile. Just seems to repeat the same nonsense regardless of the topic of debate.

Get him in a nice home with a blanket and a picture of Scargill.

I think we are holding Skinner to a higher standard than everyone else if we are going to be criticising him for relatively minor things like not retiring. Maybe he had a look at the self serving never done a days work in their lives trough snufflers and wondered if the next generation would be any more principled? He probably doubted it and he would have been right to do so.

"When Dennis is taking cash for questions"

How much has he taken from the unions over the years? And how many of his interventions could be deemed to be favourable to their interests?

So you can take cash for influence from 3rd parties as long as you can link it to your constituency?

I have drifted away from Labour but it would be hard to criticise Skinner for many of the worst abuses these rats have been gulilty of. If only half of the Commons showed his integrity it would be  a better place. I would also like to see a few more conservatives preaching right wing policies too and explaining why instead of many of the smug placemen.