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metro john
14 Sep 12 06:07
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Oh Dear,more of the same failed QE that does not seem to work.I just wonder could the money be better spent?

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By:
metro john
When: 14 Sep 12 07:32
The Propoganda machine in full swing,we will build failure upon failure!
By:
RonnieReagan
When: 14 Sep 12 19:49
i would like to apologise to our french friend, for ignoring this thread.  another thread had EO describing Karlas fanny, another had a female, Q.O.F.E talk about her holes, so my mind got frazzled and distracted for a bit. 

nobody can be surprised by this, surely.  the federal reserve gave as many signals as the BofE, Bank of Japan and ECB has done that the printing presses were only temporariliy put away.

this is not how the market economy is supposed to work.  hanging on the words and actions of a few central bankers, acting with little accountability and huge amounts of secrecy.

the wall of money created has been staggering.  i have seen some economists saying the money supply has increased threefold in little over 2 years.

at the moment it just sits on bank balance sheets to fill in the inestimable black holes, avoided by companies and individuals either not willing or unable to access it.

eventually rational thought will return, and banks will realise all this money sitting in government bonds at less than 1% is a stupid place to sit.

there will be a flight to material assets, and then we will see the inflationary consequences.

i dont quite know what anybody can say anymore to try and convince the Keynesians that this is all a terrible idea.  a nightmare, a bad dream.  psychotic in its nature.  a catastrophe about to wipe out the value of our currencies and leave the productive destitute.
By:
moisok
When: 14 Sep 12 21:19
I'm doing allright!!!
By:
Dr Evil
When: 14 Sep 12 22:35
Here's an idea (from http://www.jeremybeckwith.com/):

"Resurrecting the world’s first economic policy idea
August 29, 2012 By Jeremy Leave a Comment
The Old Testament gives specific instructions to the Israelites as to how they should organise their society. One of the most intriguing from a modern-day economist’s perspective is that of the Jubilee. Every 50th year, all debts between Israelites were to be wiped clean, all land returned to the families that owned it 50 years previously and slaves freed. In today’s parlance, it was pushing the Reset button and starting afresh. There is little evidence that the Israelites followed this revolutionary idea, most probably because those who would benefit most were the poor and downtrodden and those who would benefit least were the rich and powerful!

Recently some economists such as Stephen Green have been proposing the idea of a Modern Debt Jubilee (http://moderndebtjubilee.blogspot.co.uk/p/modern-debt-jubilee.html) as having merit for solving today’s economic problems. The world is currently experiencing a balance-sheet recession rather than a standard cyclical recession. This is where individuals, governments and especially banks believe themselves to be over-indebted and seek to reduce their liabilities (debts) – there is a much reduced desire both to borrow and to lend. This inhibits overall demand in the economy, leading to slower growth which in turn holds back confidence in companies who defer investment.

The policy of Quantitative Easing (QE) is the printing of money to make banks balance sheets more liquid and thus encourage them to lend once more. An alternative Modern Debt Jubilee policy would be to print money and use it to repay some of the debt outstanding which is inhibiting economic growth – so returning to the concept of Jubilee. For example the government could decide to give every adult in the country £10,000 in a special account, which could at first only be used for the repayment of their debts. In this way, individuals could repay their most expensive debts (typically consumer credit), and banks would become both more liquid and have smaller balance sheets. For those who do not have debts use of the money could be restricted to paying for tertiary education, for buying a home for them to live in or providing a pension – all of which can be regarded as personal long term investment.

At the cost of a large amount of money, £450bn for the UK – (compared with the £375 billion of QE so far approved by the Bank of England) this Modern Debt Jubilee policy would significantly reduce consumer debts, provide better-funded pensions and boost the amount of equity in people’s homes. Though the use of this money would be restricted to “worthy” areas, there would certainly be a consumer wealth effect both from consumers just feeling less indebted and from the boost to disposable income from reduced interest payments. Demand in the economy would pick up and if the Bank of England feared inflation then they could easily reverse the QE as banks would not need the extra liquidity as consumers repaid debts. A little inflation, however, would be rather welcome as it would break the economy out of the deflationary mindset that it has fallen into currently.

If we do need to print more money to boost the economy, then this idea is a far more powerful way of ensuring it happens than replacing government bonds with cash in the banks’ balance sheets, the current QE policy.

Jubilee – the oldest and least used economic policy idea in history is definitely worth considering today in a modern form. For those at the bottom end of the income distribution, it would rid them of debts that burden their lives thereby pushing the Reset button on their personal finances. For the middle classes it is a way of either ridding themselves of expensive debt or encouraging long term savings."
By:
RonnieReagan
When: 15 Sep 12 06:24
now i know why he is called Dr Evil, he looks for solutions in the Old Testament. 

thank God Jesus came and softened the message. 

i feel, as per normal, the Old Testament is unneccessarily severe. 

a debt jubilee is of course unfair to those that have been frugal, but they have been unfairly treated already.

there is absolutely no chance of governments meeting their debts, in my mind.  in the US, a plan to reduce the deficit over 30 years, as the debt grows each year is rejected as "crazy" and "cutting too far".

which is why pricing lending to US and UK government at 1% or similar, is ludicrous in my mind.  when the market wakes up these are insane, INSANE rates of interest when real inflation, not just the government massaged figures, is probably 5 times this.

would you lend to a government with such insane debts money at an annual loss of 4%? 

they will default either by telling the Chinese to go hang, or devalue the currency the debt is valued in.

i would rather we did the first, and manned the barricade, but fear the latter will be the route taken.
By:
metro john
When: 15 Sep 12 12:21
Independance Day a cracking film,do wonder sometimes why they dont just let the banks die(for new ones to be born)let the housing market collapse(very important that happens) it makes more sense than burdening our children with your Debts?
By:
1st time poster
When: 15 Sep 12 18:46
think you,ll find our children,grand children have already raped clean the bank of mam and dad,and gran and grandads,so dont lose to much sleep worring about the kids
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 15 Sep 12 19:39
Lovely Jubbly, all that money going in to save the Euro - and our bacon.

Five years on and we're still treading water. I get the feeling that we might just get through it and come out the other side in one piece.

The high employment will continue but that's here to stay anyway.

Steady as she goes Angela, steady as she goes.
By:
metro john
When: 19 Sep 12 08:46
About 4 decades?
By:
metro john
When: 19 Sep 12 08:47
And growing!
By:
metro john
When: 19 Sep 12 09:11
I still think food vouchers for work for a year(worldwide) a better and quicker solution.(save having the inevitable war)
By:
1st time poster
When: 19 Sep 12 18:38
do you have to produce your grocery list for the past 6 months to get your vouchers,ie those who shop at waitrose get waitrose vouchers etc, Laugh
By:
metro john
When: 19 Sep 12 20:59
Those that shop at waitrose paid there tax 1st time poster,they get the chance to wave there receipt in the noses of the Asda wise!Laugh
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