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22 Mar 12
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The likes of Karla are talking about essential public sector workers as if they are an indivisble group. Is that the case or do you think that some are essential and therefore pretty indispensible whilst at the other end of the spectrum others are freeloaders whose main function is to build a little empire whilst trying to con the rest of us into thinking that they do a worthwhile job with the rest somewhere between the two?
Obviously this is an important issue because we need to cut out the dead wood and parasites whilst cherising those who work hard doing sterling work.
Obviously this is an important issue because we need to cut out the dead wood and parasites whilst cherising those who work hard doing sterling work.
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I know through a chap who works for a local council that in his opinion the council could function as well with a third of the employees.
If we were to accept that, 2/3 of the people are not essential.
Even if every role were essential the inefficiencies create non essential workers.
The management staff in the NHS always get stick. They have been doing so for as long as I can remember.
Clearly management is needed to run a health service, but point repeatedly made is that the number of managers is too high.
So the question is two fold.
What roles are non essential?
Where is there over staffing?
If we were to accept that, 2/3 of the people are not essential.
Even if every role were essential the inefficiencies create non essential workers.
The management staff in the NHS always get stick. They have been doing so for as long as I can remember.
Clearly management is needed to run a health service, but point repeatedly made is that the number of managers is too high.
So the question is two fold.
What roles are non essential?
Where is there over staffing?
I'm beginning to think he's actually serious with these type of questions.
I don't know what's worse, the fact he believes all the tripe he reads in the Daily Mail or the fact he is stuck in some 1980's time warp believing the task of LA's is just to empty bins.
He's dumber than a second coat pf paint.
I don't know what's worse, the fact he believes all the tripe he reads in the Daily Mail or the fact he is stuck in some 1980's time warp believing the task of LA's is just to empty bins.
He's dumber than a second coat pf paint.
What roles are non essential?
None.
Where is there over staffing?
There isn't. Thanks.
None.
Where is there over staffing?
There isn't. Thanks.
Oh don't be so daft of course there is overstaffing.
As someone who has worked in both sectors I can tell you the use of budgets set every tax year always leads to overstaffing.
It's only since I moved to the public sector a couple of years ago that I got the time to read the betfair forum again
As someone who has worked in both sectors I can tell you the use of budgets set every tax year always leads to overstaffing.
It's only since I moved to the public sector a couple of years ago that I got the time to read the betfair forum again
is a fireman still arguing with a council worker about who is more important?
their employer is spending too much money based on their receipts, and is not increasing its receipts by either presiding over a booming economy or increasing taxes.
so it needs to cut costs and i cannot see how it can do that without reducing its employee count.
their employer is pretty useless so is likely to make bad decisions about who goes.
i pity them really, and guess they need to argue on here to take their minds off it.
their employer is spending too much money based on their receipts, and is not increasing its receipts by either presiding over a booming economy or increasing taxes.
so it needs to cut costs and i cannot see how it can do that without reducing its employee count.
their employer is pretty useless so is likely to make bad decisions about who goes.
i pity them really, and guess they need to argue on here to take their minds off it.
What a stupid statement from Karla.
Out of the 100 000's of employees not a single one is non essential. Every single one is vital.
As I remember I brought to the forum some information about the masses of Climate Change Officers at Camden Council.
This link is something to do with this.
The councils have been criticised about wasting money of these essential people.
http://camden.gov.uk/ccm/content/contacts/
council-contacts/environment/contact-better-climate-for-camden.en
Out of the 100 000's of employees not a single one is non essential. Every single one is vital.
As I remember I brought to the forum some information about the masses of Climate Change Officers at Camden Council.
This link is something to do with this.
The councils have been criticised about wasting money of these essential people.
http://camden.gov.uk/ccm/content/contacts/
council-contacts/environment/contact-better-climate-for-camden.en
Public sector
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Oh look, we have some surplus in the budget at year end, shall we get another member of staff in so I can seem more important. Don't know what they will do yet but it will help me build up my department (ie Empire Building).
Private Sector
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What benefit will this staff member bring? Will it help with our SLA? We need to justify this expenditure.
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Oh look, we have some surplus in the budget at year end, shall we get another member of staff in so I can seem more important. Don't know what they will do yet but it will help me build up my department (ie Empire Building).
Private Sector
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What benefit will this staff member bring? Will it help with our SLA? We need to justify this expenditure.
"What roles are non essential?
None.
Where is there over staffing?
There isn't. Thanks. "
What an utter d*ckhead.
None.
Where is there over staffing?
There isn't. Thanks. "
What an utter d*ckhead.
There are non-essential jobs in BOTH SECTORS....
Many Public sector Companies retain staff way way past their useful working life in terms of profitability and/or pay them commission as opposed to full wages on retainers...
Go down ANY HIGH STREET or SHOPPING MALL and hundreds DO NOT EARN their keep in the PRIVATE SECTOR....
At any given time in my working life n senior management in the PRIVATE SECTOR I could (and maybe should) have got rid of 25-30% of STAFF if productivity an efficiency was the main driver...
It is funny how the Public sector knockers TOTALLY IGNORE transgressions in the PRIVATE SECTOR!
There are huge inefficiencies in BOTH!
Many Public sector Companies retain staff way way past their useful working life in terms of profitability and/or pay them commission as opposed to full wages on retainers...
Go down ANY HIGH STREET or SHOPPING MALL and hundreds DO NOT EARN their keep in the PRIVATE SECTOR....
At any given time in my working life n senior management in the PRIVATE SECTOR I could (and maybe should) have got rid of 25-30% of STAFF if productivity an efficiency was the main driver...
It is funny how the Public sector knockers TOTALLY IGNORE transgressions in the PRIVATE SECTOR!
There are huge inefficiencies in BOTH!
Reagan
The difference is that I advocate and would gladly run into a burning building for free because I want to help my local community. Many of the fire stations on the continent are staffed by volunteers. I see no reason why that shouldn't also be the case in this country.
The difference is that I advocate and would gladly run into a burning building for free because I want to help my local community. Many of the fire stations on the continent are staffed by volunteers. I see no reason why that shouldn't also be the case in this country.
wally
Isn't it obvious why people are differentiating between the public and private sector?
Isn't it obvious why people are differentiating between the public and private sector?
"It is funny how the Public sector knockers TOTALLY IGNORE transgressions in the PRIVATE SECTOR!"
Willy - are you really that stupid?
Willy - are you really that stupid?
One thing I can say having worked for a local authority was at the end of the year prudent depts had surplus and had to spend it so as not to get their budget cut for the future years
madness!!!!!
madness!!!!!
Java
You've seen wally in action. Do you need to ask?
You've seen wally in action. Do you need to ask?
once again the storm troopers jack out in the boots and totally fail to answer questions and deal with insults...
The same Tory dimwits who will be happily filling in their tax returns ACCORDING TO GIDEON because they will rush to pay the tax at 45% that they haven't it seems paid at 50%....
Whilst on the actual topic of the public and private sector they fail to understand the KEY ECONOMIC FACT....
A JOB IS A JOB
A NON JOB IS A NON JOB
There are jobs and non-jobs in BOTH SECTORS....
The loss of a job or a non job in either sector is a huge blow to the job-holder...
THE TORY CLASS WARFARE MERCHANTS SIMPLY DONT GET IT!
The same Tory dimwits who will be happily filling in their tax returns ACCORDING TO GIDEON because they will rush to pay the tax at 45% that they haven't it seems paid at 50%....
Whilst on the actual topic of the public and private sector they fail to understand the KEY ECONOMIC FACT....
A JOB IS A JOB
A NON JOB IS A NON JOB
There are jobs and non-jobs in BOTH SECTORS....
The loss of a job or a non job in either sector is a huge blow to the job-holder...
THE TORY CLASS WARFARE MERCHANTS SIMPLY DONT GET IT!
Jesus wept - it appears you're a moron.
Do I really have to explain it to you why people shouldn't care if a private firm decides to employ somebody who is not needed?
Do I really have to explain it to you why people shouldn't care if a private firm decides to employ somebody who is not needed?
I know full well why a private sector firm need not explain BUT YOU SPOUT MYTHS UNTRUTHS AND LIES ABOUT THE PUBLIC SECTOR and cant handle the FACTS WHEN ANYONE POINTS OUT TE PRIVATE SECTOR IS JUST AS BAD IF NOT WORSE...
Indeed IT CAN BE ARGUED...
That if EVERY PRIVATE SECTOR FIRM got rid of their deadwood and reduced THEIR COSTS the EVERY PERSON in the K would gain FAR MORE PER PRIVATE SECTOR JOB EFFICIENCY than PUBLIC SECTOR JOB EFFICIENCY via drastically reduced charges for their produce!
Indeed IT CAN BE ARGUED...
That if EVERY PRIVATE SECTOR FIRM got rid of their deadwood and reduced THEIR COSTS the EVERY PERSON in the K would gain FAR MORE PER PRIVATE SECTOR JOB EFFICIENCY than PUBLIC SECTOR JOB EFFICIENCY via drastically reduced charges for their produce!
You still don't have a clue about why your argument is the ramblings of a buffoon.
Frankly if I set up my own private sector business and hire 100 chimps on 100k to sit eating bananas and defacating then that is my business. If effects nobody. Obviously I will make no money, but at least I am paying business rates, rent, National Insurance on my chimp wages etc. Who cares?
Do you understand now?
Frankly if I set up my own private sector business and hire 100 chimps on 100k to sit eating bananas and defacating then that is my business. If effects nobody. Obviously I will make no money, but at least I am paying business rates, rent, National Insurance on my chimp wages etc. Who cares?
Do you understand now?
What roles are non essential?
None.
Where is there over staffing?
There isn't. Thanks.
Conceit, arrogance and a total lack of objectivity.
None.
Where is there over staffing?
There isn't. Thanks.
Conceit, arrogance and a total lack of objectivity.
wurzels dim enough to believe karlas on a wind up, he's a filing clerk at the tax office, hardly surprising
Elastoplast
The difference is that I advocate and would gladly run into a burning building for free because I want to help my local community
so, why do you take a salary to do it?
Isn't that a bit like me saying "I would gladly pay more taxes for a more equitable society" and then having every libertarian/tory d!ickhead on the forum asking me why i don't just donate my spare cash?
The difference is that I advocate and would gladly run into a burning building for free because I want to help my local community
so, why do you take a salary to do it?
Isn't that a bit like me saying "I would gladly pay more taxes for a more equitable society" and then having every libertarian/tory d!ickhead on the forum asking me why i don't just donate my spare cash?
I take your point but sometimes our personal circumstances mean that we take whatever work is available in order to put food on the table, look after our loved ones and keep ourselves off benefits. Benefits which would incidentally leave us better off. I don't think other taxpayers get a bad deal. Do you?
Comrade_Karla
What roles are non essential?
None.
Where is there over staffing?
Very good Karl, told you it was a troll gents...
What roles are non essential?
None.
Where is there over staffing?
Very good Karl, told you it was a troll gents...
What roles are non essential?
None.
Where is there over staffing?
There isn't. Thanks.
Im not surprised by this answer, this bird/bloke has no idea, continues to write utter dribble
None.
Where is there over staffing?
There isn't. Thanks.
Im not surprised by this answer, this bird/bloke has no idea, continues to write utter dribble
According to one source NE Lincs council added over 1,000 staff to their roster from 2002 ( the last year the UK ran a balanced budget ) to 2010.
These posts are necessary as back in 2002 we all know that many essential tasks were not being done - there was litter, climate change, anti-social behaviour, poverty, crime, desperation and poor public relations in every borough.
To conclude the opposite that the essential roles these staff all now do are actually non-essential or were being done by fewer staff working more efficiently pre-2002 would make you a fool and a Nazi.
These posts are necessary as back in 2002 we all know that many essential tasks were not being done - there was litter, climate change, anti-social behaviour, poverty, crime, desperation and poor public relations in every borough.
To conclude the opposite that the essential roles these staff all now do are actually non-essential or were being done by fewer staff working more efficiently pre-2002 would make you a fool and a Nazi.
Poor Karla. She wil be spitting out her vegetarian sausage roll onto her computer screen when she sees that.
The gravy train keeps on rollin' up in Lincoln.
Assistant Director (Environment, Planning and Customer Service)
Post Reference: 40027926
Salary: £76,579 - £84,229
Job Type: Managerial & Supervisory
Location: Lincoln
Contract Type: Permanent
Closing Date: 29/03/2012
This is a fantastic opportunity for a talented senior manager to join a forward thinking organisation at an exciting time of change. Reporting to the Executive Director for Communities, you will act as both a service director, leading and commissioning the delivery of specific council functions, as well as working on a corporate level to deliver strategic aims and activities.
Assistant Director (Environment, Planning and Customer Service)
Post Reference: 40027926
Salary: £76,579 - £84,229
Job Type: Managerial & Supervisory
Location: Lincoln
Contract Type: Permanent
Closing Date: 29/03/2012
This is a fantastic opportunity for a talented senior manager to join a forward thinking organisation at an exciting time of change. Reporting to the Executive Director for Communities, you will act as both a service director, leading and commissioning the delivery of specific council functions, as well as working on a corporate level to deliver strategic aims and activities.
Java
There is one chimp on this thread well 2 if you include the eternal liar...and thats you not me!
Your blind arrogance and blind lack of understanding of the work market is frankly staggering....
YOU JUST DONT GET IT DO YOU...
An unnecessary PRIVATE SECTOR JOB costs YOU as much IF NOT MORE than an unnecessary PUBLIC SECTOR JOB since the basic laws of Capitalism mean that BAD PRIVATE SECTOR JOBS of which THERE ARE MILLIONS have to be paid FOR...
BY US THE CONSUMER.....
LETS START WITH...
PRIVATISED...
GAS
ELECTRICITY
WATER
TELEPHONY/COMMUNICATIONS
PRIVATE
BANKS
INSURANCE COMPANIES
PRIVATE AND ESSENTIAL
SAINSBURYS
TESCOS
ASDA
WAITROSE
I could go ON AND ON AND ON....
ALL HAVE AS MANY IF NOT MORE NON-PROFITABLE JOBS AS THE PUBLIC SECTOR...
So when you pay for Gas for Electric for Phones for TV for Food YOU PAY FOR THEIR NON-JOBS
F U C K W I T !
There is one chimp on this thread well 2 if you include the eternal liar...and thats you not me!
Your blind arrogance and blind lack of understanding of the work market is frankly staggering....
YOU JUST DONT GET IT DO YOU...
An unnecessary PRIVATE SECTOR JOB costs YOU as much IF NOT MORE than an unnecessary PUBLIC SECTOR JOB since the basic laws of Capitalism mean that BAD PRIVATE SECTOR JOBS of which THERE ARE MILLIONS have to be paid FOR...
BY US THE CONSUMER.....
LETS START WITH...
PRIVATISED...
GAS
ELECTRICITY
WATER
TELEPHONY/COMMUNICATIONS
PRIVATE
BANKS
INSURANCE COMPANIES
PRIVATE AND ESSENTIAL
SAINSBURYS
TESCOS
ASDA
WAITROSE
I could go ON AND ON AND ON....
ALL HAVE AS MANY IF NOT MORE NON-PROFITABLE JOBS AS THE PUBLIC SECTOR...
So when you pay for Gas for Electric for Phones for TV for Food YOU PAY FOR THEIR NON-JOBS
F U C K W I T !
An unnecessary PRIVATE SECTOR JOB costs YOU as much IF NOT MORE than an unnecessary PUBLIC SECTOR JOB since the basic laws of Capitalism mean that BAD PRIVATE SECTOR JOBS of which THERE ARE MILLIONS have to be paid FOR...
BY US THE CONSUMER.....
What a lunatic.
BY US THE CONSUMER.....
What a lunatic.
Camden Council is looking for four Outcomes and Development Officers 
Enfield Council is searching for a Senior Travel Awareness Officer.
Darlington Borough Council is searching for a Local Motion Travel Advisor.
What would we do without a Senior Travel Awareness Officer?
You mean you can travel? I wasn't ware of this!
Enfield Council is searching for a Senior Travel Awareness Officer.
Darlington Borough Council is searching for a Local Motion Travel Advisor.
What would we do without a Senior Travel Awareness Officer?
You mean you can travel? I wasn't ware of this!
Poor Karla. She wil be spitting out her vegetarian sausage roll onto her computer screen when she sees that.
If it was a heated sausage roll it is now subject to VAT, too expensive to spit out.
If it was a heated sausage roll it is now subject to VAT, too expensive to spit out.
If it was a heated sausage roll it is now subject to VAT, too expensive to spit out.
NONE LEFT....
ERIC PICKLES ATE THEM ALL ON TUESDAY!
NONE LEFT....
ERIC PICKLES ATE THEM ALL ON TUESDAY!
Well depends how you read the question. I think most of them are important, just better if they weren't public sector.
all public sector workers are essential, because they are all doctors, nurses and dinner ladies, or so I am told.
Captain Wurzel 22 Mar 12 17:10
And Karla just provides the net
You'd be justified in thinking that.
One provocative post from the lady followed by a torrent of predictably hostile answers.
Job done - I’d say.
And Karla just provides the net
You'd be justified in thinking that.
One provocative post from the lady followed by a torrent of predictably hostile answers.
Job done - I’d say.
YOU JUST DONT GET IT DO YOU...
An unnecessary PRIVATE SECTOR JOB costs YOU as much IF NOT MORE than an unnecessary PUBLIC SECTOR JOB since the basic laws of Capitalism mean that BAD PRIVATE SECTOR JOBS of which THERE ARE MILLIONS have to be paid FOR...
BY US THE CONSUMER.....
please explain....
An unnecessary PRIVATE SECTOR JOB costs YOU as much IF NOT MORE than an unnecessary PUBLIC SECTOR JOB since the basic laws of Capitalism mean that BAD PRIVATE SECTOR JOBS of which THERE ARE MILLIONS have to be paid FOR...
BY US THE CONSUMER.....
please explain....
This is local government for you.. from my friend mailing me from the workplace!
Monday office - old filing and planning the week ahead.
Tuesday 'seat training' sessions.
Wednesday 'worked from home'
Thursday:
''On my own again - having spent the last 20 minutes talking to my boss who is sort of working at home, (also now finished) Stopped even pretending to work for today''.
Friday: 11am!!
''Have the office to myself for a while - everyone who was in has either finished for the day or gone out to enjoy the sunshine.''
Writing agendas, typing minutes, cancelled and postponed meetings, training council workers how to adjust and sit on their new seats.
That's one weeks work for £700+pensions/expenses etc!
Makes me pretty angry tbh!
Work hard Karla - we know it's different in your office.
Monday office - old filing and planning the week ahead.
Tuesday 'seat training' sessions.
Wednesday 'worked from home'
Thursday:
''On my own again - having spent the last 20 minutes talking to my boss who is sort of working at home, (also now finished) Stopped even pretending to work for today''.
Friday: 11am!!
''Have the office to myself for a while - everyone who was in has either finished for the day or gone out to enjoy the sunshine.''
Writing agendas, typing minutes, cancelled and postponed meetings, training council workers how to adjust and sit on their new seats.
That's one weeks work for £700+pensions/expenses etc!
Makes me pretty angry tbh!
Work hard Karla - we know it's different in your office.
quite surprised karla reckons tory safe seats need representation.
Good luck with getting wally to explain his thought processes.
Expert communications strategist wanted
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Hillingdon Council: Putting our residents first.
About the job
As the Head of Corporate Communications for London's second largest borough you will act as our strategic lead for all communications matters. Advising at Cabinet and board level, you will lead a central communications team with responsibility for all of the council's corporate communications and reputation management.
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There's another vital job currently being advertised. Salary range £70K - £80K.
I'm sure that Hillingdon's Council Tax and Business Rates payers will be pleased about their Borough's national reputation.
About Hillingdon
Hillingdon Council: Putting our residents first.
About the job
As the Head of Corporate Communications for London's second largest borough you will act as our strategic lead for all communications matters. Advising at Cabinet and board level, you will lead a central communications team with responsibility for all of the council's corporate communications and reputation management.
Hillingdon has a strong national reputation and this role is a key to support the delivery of a range of innovate initiatives.
There's another vital job currently being advertised. Salary range £70K - £80K.
I'm sure that Hillingdon's Council Tax and Business Rates payers will be pleased about their Borough's national reputation.
Monday Wk '2'
Attend and observe the fire evacuation of 'special needs' premises. Completed effectively in two minutes but no-one collected the 'visitor's book' for checking.
Retire to office to compile, submit copies and file report.
School finishing time - together with a representive from the public transport department .. observe pupils leaving school and boarding school buses.
No issues - return to office and write report.
Another day of essential government work completed, several e-mails to Ifor moaning about the 50p/week going to be lost as the 40p rate takes effect in April.
A further £150 of tax-payers money banked tyvm.
Attend and observe the fire evacuation of 'special needs' premises. Completed effectively in two minutes but no-one collected the 'visitor's book' for checking.
Retire to office to compile, submit copies and file report.
School finishing time - together with a representive from the public transport department .. observe pupils leaving school and boarding school buses.
No issues - return to office and write report.
Another day of essential government work completed, several e-mails to Ifor moaning about the 50p/week going to be lost as the 40p rate takes effect in April.
A further £150 of tax-payers money banked tyvm.
Firefighters have been excluded as it is felt that tory homes would be better left to burn.
You could start by trying to make sense. Go on have a go.
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