Bots

chipfire227

Is it allowed to post names?
I play regularly these Turbo Sngs and I can tell you that there are AT LEAST 10 players who fit into this group!

The annoying thing is that Ongame is aware of that fact but (UNABLE?) to do anything...
Many of these players even have similar pfr/agression stats!

Its so obvious!

Yes, I am 100% sure, too!

Cause I use PT, I can tell you that many other parameters fit, too!!

Did you ever tell the BETFAIR support about that?
ONGAME has a very bad track record, regarding the bot-problematic...

I thought NASH is only good if both players play according to NASH.

So what you need to do, is exploit it.
If you cant figure it out how to exploit nash, google it.

Yeah but like I said we are talking heads up at the end of 10 and 30 seat turbo games. You rarely get more than a dozen hands heads up, and if the bot is shoving/calling/folding when its mathematically correct to do so,the only way to exploit that it to play mathematically incorrect poker, which over a short series of hands wont get you very far.

You know there shoving ranges from the SB will generally be wider than your average low stakes donk who is usually just happy to have cashed and will fold too often from that spot, but widening your calling ranges slightly only really makes a marginal difference.

Im pretty sure you could exploit a bot programmed to use Nash over 150 hands, but over 6-15 hands I cant see that theres much you can do.

Likewise their bubble play must have ICM factored in.

They are beatable, of course they are, but the bottom line is they seem to be marginal winners at stakes up $20, which in itself is bad enough. But what is killing regulars is that these BOTs are getting maximum **** and Leaderbaord money from the Networks.

Those Networks are typically taking 10% rake off every player. Of that they will usually return around 50% to the player pool via RB and promotions, but the bots are swallowing up big chunks of that money, which then vanishes from the poker economy.

One of the things that keeps the recreational player playing is a promotion they have a chance to win a little extra something from, but if all you get are rake races, rake races, and Leaderboards which are also rake races, how can you possibly compete with something playing 1500 STTS a week and which never gets tired or tilts  ?

Im pretty sure gnasher will know for certain, but Im sure the bots were high up on the big STT Christmas Promos run by Ongame.

Gnash was playing round the clock and couldnt get near em.I dont see how a human could ever compete with them.

Ive said for donkeys weekly leaderboards should be based on the first 100 or 150 games per week to give everyone who is prepared to put a bit of graft in a chance.

I finished 198th last week and got 5 dollars. I aint complaining bout that, but theres no incentive for me to play any more than that as even if I increased the amount I play by 50% I would still only get 5 dollars.

letsplai seems to be another that fits into that category in lower stakes sit n gos.

There are many non bots that can 24 tables, when someone challenged 5LEEPDONKER on the leaderboard, he just played more tables and more hours a day.

What makes you so sure the above names are cheating?

I'm no expert but I reckon I could create an AHK script that could open, close and register me for games. Would you call that cheating?

Why was your last post removed Chip? It said nothing untoward imo.

I asked Betfair PR about this (censorship) a while back. Aapparently outside normal working hours moderation of the board is passed to a couple of £6 an hour borderline morons, who delete any posts that contain certain words or phrases.

There is no scope for common sense because these fellas doing it have none.

Auto Hotkey allows you to automate things like registering for games, closing tables etc with a little scripting. I'm sure the "bots" mentioned are using such programs.

Remember, we were poker players on a gambling site on the old Pokerchamps software, that's why it was so easy. We're now in a bigger ocean of more savvy players.

Wouldn't it be easy to tweak your bot?

A very lame post Chip.

Poker is a very human game, players can't be predicted. I can read stats off HEM all day and still get it wrong. I've no doubt there are bots that play perfect poker but perfect poker isn't human.

My point is that players CAN 24+ tables and break even and live off the rake and bonuses.

You asked how I knew the user names I mentioned were bots, and I explained how I knew.

I have absolutely no idea what the fk you are going on about now. I never said humans couldn't play that many tables, I said they couldnt play that many hands and use exactly 4.5 seconds of their timebank on every single hand.

I'm not really boshed about debating the point ad infinitum, I think all poker should be played by humans with no software aids, which is why I prefer playing live to online these days.

thanks chipfire

sexysandy and schummrich are not Betfair customers so Betfair have very little say in the matter.

I think we have seen in the past how effective BF are at spotting and removing fellows getting up to no good.

We know that BF have no access to player information from other skins because I asked at a Q and A session.

The network is policed by Ongame, but what incentive is there for Ongame to  do anything ? These 2 bots alone play 10,000 STT's a month at an average stake of £10 per game, so they are handing over £10 grand a month in fees, and more importantly generating traffic around the clock for the site. Generally speaking other players dont mind playing against them, so its a win-win situation for the Network.

I think one of the telling comments was that the player had folded AA and KK pre flop after being timed out- an obvious human error.