worst bad beat ever?

Buy in full next time :)

Move on 2 another site.

Lodge - Clearly this in not the "Worst bad beat ever".

If you are going to bore us with a bad beat & a "whole site is shocking" moan at least explain the hand in full.

What were the stack sizes & how much went in pre-flop.

I agree. the bad beats on here are just relentless. It has to be juiced

No I still had the worst bad beat possible. I posted it a while back too.

I had AA sit n go - 3rd guy goes all in I call. He shows 2-9 offsuit (not kidding)

Flop is A-3-7 - computer shows me at 99%.

Turn is 4 river 5

It happens,

I've lost today already JJ V 95, A10 V A8 AND 2MINS AGO AA V A9 he rivers a straight.

The other day on here I was HU Turbo $20 SNG

K 10 V K 7 he doubles up then  2hands later AQ V A3 he hits a 3

Next HU Match AA V JJ he hits a Jack

I have KQ another flop a straight then the turn gives him a full house,

The one thing though is that I have played at $5 - $100 betfair and the same things happen,

I have been playing 888 for $10 - $20 MTT'S and seem to do ok there

That bad beat I had he was a 495-1 underdog. I believe that's the highest possible after the flop without drawing dead.

Harter - you did not have the "worse bad beat possible".

When the bet was made preflop AA was about 89% favorite (depends on the suits for exact odds).

Getting runner runner to make a straight is less than 100-1 (not 450-1) it is not "the highest possible after the flop without drawing dead."

You should be happy you had AA V 2-9 rather than moaning.

It happens? yep very OFTEN on bf

Hey, Pierre, did you see this email?

Non, Gerhard, what does it say?

Some guy on Betfair lost with AK against QQ.

But that's just a flip.

Nein, wait for it, the flop came 3QK!!

Mon Dieu!!

Have we checked this place. Do they have an independently verified RNG?

Ja, for sure.

Ok, then everything is bon, n'est ce pas?

Nein, he says the audits don't matter, you have to play there to see how kaput it is. I think nobody has done that!

Alors! We must close this place down immediatement. After all we are the European Gambling Commission.

But I have never heard of us.

Mon neither.

Sheisse.

If you believed it was r1gged against you then you wouldn't carry on playing unless you were completely stupid, and if you were no longer playing, then why would you care ?

Worst bad beat ever:

Being dumped by your missus for Helmuthian Folds?

Worst bad beat ever:

Being dumped by Dot Cotton for Helmuthian Folds?

Apr 3, 2012 -- 4:46AM, Mexico wrote:

Harter - you did not have the "worse bad beat possible".When the bet was made preflop AA was about 89% favorite (depends on the suits for exact odds). Getting runner runner to make a straight is less than 100-1 (not 450-1) it is not "the highest possible after the flop without drawing dead."You should be happy you had AA V 2-9 rather than moaning.

I believe you're wrong. After the flop the only possible way he could win was 4-5 runner runner. There are 16 combinations of 4-5 and with the 4 cards in our hands and 3 out of the deck gone for the flop that left a total of 45 cards left which amounted to 45x44 combinations or 1,980 possible combinations for the turn, river.  1,980/16 = 123.75 to 1.  For some reason I was thinking there were 4 combinations of 4-5 but of course there's 16 i.e 4H-5H, 4H-5C, 4H-5D, 4H-5S, 4D-5H etc. Still 123.75 to 1 is pretty high

harter
No offence but you really are clueless. Every post you make is either ridiculous or just plain wrong. After the flop there are 47 cards left, you cant count youre opponents hole cards.
When all the chips went in pre you were less than 90% and thats what counts. Why do you find that so hard to understand.

Here's an almost identical situation, runner, runner, for the straight. It happens, and it happens because mathematically it has to some of the time. The reason I play this site a lot is precisiely because you get calls like these. What happens after the money goes in happens.I have no control over the cards to come. What I do know is that if I consistently get it in good, and the villians consistently get it in like they do here, I will win in the long term, and they will lose. This is borne out by the facts. I'm not sitting there trying to work out why idiots call with A6 off suit because you cannot rationalise someone who is irrational. I'm just thankful they have funds and they choose to play.

TEXAS_HOLDEM, NO_LIMIT, T5-231761885-5
played at "Table #1" for USD TC from 2012-04-09 05:48 until 2012-04-09 05:49



Seat 1: gunzza (1,500 in chips) 
Seat 2: sexysandy69_ (1,500 in chips) 
Seat 3: chojinBG (1,400 in chips) 
Seat 4: gamikos41 (725 in chips) 
Seat 5: FYT R (2,180 in chips) 
Seat 6: chipfire227 (1,480 in chips) 
Seat 7: Proffifi (1,590 in chips) 
Seat 8: myklebust99 (1,690 in chips) 
Seat 9: wtsskillpro (1,465 in chips) 
Seat 10: Shashi--- (1,470 in chips) 



ANTES/BLINDS
Shashi--- posts small blind (15), gunzza posts big blind (30),

PRE-FLOP
sexysandy69_ folds, chojinBG folds, gamikos41 raises to 105, FYT R folds, chipfire227 raises to 180, Proffifi folds, myklebust99 raises to 255, wtsskillpro folds, Shashi--- folds, gunzza folds, gamikos41 calls 255, chipfire227 raises to 1,480 and is all-in, myklebust99 raises to 1,690 and is all-in, gamikos41 calls 725 and is all-in.

FLOP [board cards: 8C,4H,JC ]


TURN [board cards: 8C,4H,JC,5H ]


RIVER [board cards: 8C,4H,JC,5H,7S ]


SHOWDOWN
myklebust99 shows [ 6H,AS ]
gamikos41 shows [ AD,QD ]
chipfire227 shows [ KD,KS ]
myklebust99 wins 2,220, myklebust99 wins 1,510

harter - your maths for the runner-runner (4 & 5) is out by a factor of two. It does not really matter as the odds are from when the bet was made (preflop when you were just under 90% to win).

Odds of hitting the runner-runner are 8/45 * 4/44.

On the turn it does not matter if the 4 or the 5 appear, on the river it needs to be the the other card to make the straight. So (as I said previously) less than 100-1 (not 450-1) and not "the highest possible after the flop without drawing dead."

They only see what they want to see.

Take AKo v 22, all in pre flop, odds are 48/52

Flop comes AK9 turn 5 river 2.

They will quote the odds that they were 95% favourite and count it as juiced software (all sites, not just Betfair).

I ran the races report on HEM2 on 150,000 hands I have stored. Guess what, they match almost exactly to what they should. I never had a problem with any site's RNG but analysing the stats really put my mind at rest. If I lose, I analyse my own play and not go running to any forum claiming it's juiced.

If you play enough you will see this loads of time and know that is because statistically if happens.
No point in rationalising it.

Much the same on any other site I've played.

Frustrating yes. But go for long-run and should know whether you are up or down if you are measuring it.

Happens at all levels as far as I'm concerned.

And as I've said elsewhere, with STT players working to such small margins,being able to handle the bad beats, of which there will be thousands, and not tilting off more buyins is paramount.

The difference between being a winning player and a losing player can often be determined by how you play and how little you lose when running bad.

The first time I went on a 2000 game losing streak was horrific, but you just have to hang on in there, play your A game and wait for it to turn.

Sorry but this really isn't that bad of a beat.

I recently lost in a Betfair Live tournament (first hand!!) Full House Kings Full to Quads when he hit runner runner.
As chip/ovalman said in their posts you want these people to go in with marginal hands and in the long run you will be profitable.
These things happen in poker because they can. If it is statistically possible then it will happen.
I would be more concerned if you didn't see this.


You need to ride the short term variance / not get tilted and continue playing your game.

The more I play the more that I see this sort of thing happen on various sites, It happens both for and against me so I can honestly say that the more hands you play the more you will see things level out.

In reply to pi--ssed off punter.

What this site seems to be doing is this;

They randomize the players and not the cards. This means that the lower end players have a reasonable chance of winning.
This is legal as it still is a 'RANDOM' game and therefore breaches no legal issues. It keeps bad players, due to the fact that they sometimes win.
The losers, however, are the players who actually play to the well documented odds.

So, sadly, it's pointless writing to gaming comissions, as no codes have been broken.

Ask yourself this, 'Why do no professional players or celebrities' endorse Betfair poker?

In reply to pi--ssed off punter.

What this site seems to be doing is this;

They randomize the players and not the cards. This means that the lower end players have a reasonable chance of winning.
This is legal as it still is a 'RANDOM' game and therefore breaches no legal issues. It keeps bad players, due to the fact that they sometimes win.
The losers, however, are the players who actually play to the well documented odds.

So, sadly, it's pointless writing to gaming comissions, as no codes have been broken.

Ask yourself this, 'Why do no professional players or celebrities' endorse Betfair poker?

Ive played on the site most days for the last 4 years. I've had 3 losing months out of 48.

My positive ROI has remained fairly constant throughout, over a sample of 30,000+ games.

My winning stats are very similar on other sites.

I find that other solid players who understand variance and mathematics have similar results. I dont know any good players who play to the maths of the game who have lost long term.

I've come across countless average players with zero tilt control and poor bankroll management who claim the reason they lose is because the site they have played on is r1gg3d. Remarkably not a single one of them has produced a shred of evidence to support their claims.

Even more remarkably, the vast majority of these players continue playing, despite stating that they know it's r1gg3d,suggesting they either dont believe their own claims, or are compulsive gamblers not suited to the game of poker.

As for the professional and celebrity endorsements meaning jack, ask your bad self how many endorsed Fools Tilt ?

BF chipfire forum

Why on earth do you think it would be legal for a site to advertise random cards, get a licence based on random cards and then fix the cards and randomize the players?

No issue of fraud or false advertising or breach of contract?

OP you had a set, not trips which is three of a kind with two on the flop.  The worst possible beat is 989-1 (one combo of two cards) eg AA vs QQ flop A 6 8 turn Q riv Q.  You were about 33-1.
 
pi--ssed off punter • April 5, 2012 9:17 PM BST  -- there is no such organisation as the "european gambling commission".  There is gambling in europe and a european commission, you have got confused.  .