Just had this happen

Depends how big the stacks are.

If he was a big stack and there was another big stack in the pot ... there is the element of implied value.

oh thanks they were fairly big stacked (like my mrs).So would you have called there in the BB

if im stacked up - i have a tendency to take on big stacks with abnormal cards. more chips they have, the more i can win. no point in taking on shorties with sh1t hands

Klup would you have called his all-in bet on the turn like me? Was it bad play by me?

Was i wrong to call the player in BB a fish ?

Sadly - im one who would call the all in turn bet.

There is no reason to insult anyone at a poker table. We are perfectly entitled to play any two cards however we want. The game is not built on premium hands only.

Also - why chase away losing players with rude attitudes? If you against awful players, you want them to stay at the tables.

Thanks for the advice Klup.It waespc after such a big pre flop raise very difficult putting him on a 4 tbh

As a tournament progresses you should be keeping both physical and mental notes on players and what hands they play. If the guy is a constant calling or raising station then alarm bells should always be ringing. 77, A7s A4s (and to a very lesser extent 44) would be going through my head as to his hand, not T4o but that is irrelevant. Unfortunately as Klup says, when the blinds get so high, there are certain occasions where the only way you find out where you stand is by shipping all your chips. With your notes you can decide how you think THEY would play each scenario above - do you think they would re-raise you with a flopped house or trips? What about top pair? That's up to you to decide.

BTW some of the best players on this site are also the most loose aggressive. They are raising in any situation but that's why I think notes are so important. You can use them to distinguish the good from the bad. OK it may not have got you off this hand but there will be times it will save you a tournament life. A chip saved is a chip won.

Thanks Ovalman

"As a tournament progresses you should be keeping both physical and mental notes on players and what hands they play"

Sorry dont mean to be funny here, but could you explain what u mean by 'physical' notes. I just tend to take notes on betting patterns, if there loose/tight/ passive etc etc. What 'physical' notes can i take sitting behind my computer screen? tyia

I assume by physical notes, he means ones you actually sit there and type into a computer and store, rather than just making a mental note.

I think you have to  accept that poor players call too often from the blinds, especially inexperienced ones. I cant imagine myself ever calling with 10 4 off, or suited for that matter, from the big blind in that situation.

You could I guess get away from the hand because  his check/shove on the flop is usually either a monster or a complete bluff, and in a ten dollar game nearly always the former, but not many people will be folding AA there. Myself included.

= writing notes at the table.

You should be aware of each players style but also have noted the entire tables image. If you're at a table full of tight aggressives then you should be the loose aggressive player. I admire players who have a LAG image but know what their doing (most LAG's haven't a clue TBH)

The T4o may or may not have been a bad play, I certainly wouldn't have played it and don't even think the Klup is that loose to make the call [smiley:crazy] but by watching how they play can give you some sort of clues as to the cards they can have.

I have a note on ___dp___ (I think that's his screen name) that said he was a loose aggressive donk after I seen his raise and then call an all in with 76s. Maybe that was a mistake he made but I've seen him raise with similar monsters. It turned out he was a gold star on Sharkscope and had over $50k in profit.

I rather be raise/calling with 76 suited than with a7, a8, a9 a10,aj etc. To be honest its probably the 2nd or 3rd best hand to hold if you are wanting to crack aa, and isnt in too bad a shape vs ak.

A lot of the time you are getting the right odds to call the shove knowing you have two live cards.

Like Klup says, you cant go into a MTT with the philosophy that you will only play qq, kk, aa, and ak, because your significant cashes will be very few and far between. You have to be creative, and you have to take risks. You also get paid off a lot more with your monsters if you have a very lag image, as I'm sure Klup will tell us. [;)]

Obviously you can look a donk when your suited connectors run into aa, but the likes of dp and that russian dude that was playing the community game when it had added money in the pot, clearly know what they are doing, as both will back off if they see a particular tables playing very loose.

It wasn't the raise that got me putting the note, it was the call to an all in for his tournament that got me noting. He wasn't in bad shape at that time and I would probably folded if it were me. There's quite a few that play the community game who I respect and who also adopt a LAG game.

I'm in no way the best qualified to give advice on here, there are many who I know are better than me although I am profitable at low stakes and can understand the mentality of many even if I can't justify their plays.

The most profitable image is the LAG one but you really have to know how to play it properly. It's something I can't do right yet but also something I'd like to aspire to.

Interesting stuff fellas thanks for the in put.I saw Jason Mercier play on the TV this week in a cash game and he is a very loose aggresive player.Apparently in one year he won 9 tournaments in all.Now thats what you call a good player.I love watching him play.It seems like the bigger the buy in there are less loose players.Is this true?

Bigger the buy in the more loose GOOD players there are. TAG is the way to go for small consistent wins but as Chip has pointed out on another thread, you should be playing for 1st and not limping for cash. The best LAG's will have more bubbles but when they do win it more than makes up for all those bust outs.

Annette Obrestads name springs to mind when it comes to LAG(I didn't say slag btw)[smiley:crazy].Which other LAG professional players do you look up to and admire?

the klup.
luke swartz?
daniel nagranu?
gus hansen
tony bloom
phil ivey
tom dwan?
lee nelson

At high stakes it' all loose aggressive but some have more of a clue than others!

great play from him bye

great play from him bye