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He bets out on the turn here?
TEXAS_HOLDEM, NO_LIMIT, T5-173492827-42
played at "Table #1" for USD TC from 2011-09-07 12:06 until 2011-09-07 12:07
Seat 2: Grundi1902 (4,475 in chips)
Seat 5: -Nikolaich- (1,835 in chips)
Seat 6: 1345678 (7,530 in chips)
Seat 7: THE_KLUP (520 in chips)
Seat 10: Jagshemash (3,640 in chips)
ANTES/BLINDS
Jagshemash posts ante (20), Grundi1902 posts ante (20), -Nikolaich- posts ante (20), 1345678 posts ante (20), THE_KLUP posts ante (20), Jagshemash posts small blind (100), Grundi1902 posts big blind (200),
PRE-FLOP
-Nikolaich- raises to 500, 1345678 folds, THE_KLUP calls 500 and is all-in, Jagshemash folds, Grundi1902 calls 500.
FLOP [board cards: AD,5H,4C ]
Grundi1902 checks, -Nikolaich- checks.
TURN [board cards: AD,5H,4C,2C ]
Grundi1902 checks, -Nikolaich- bets 1,300, Grundi1902 folds.
RIVER [board cards: AD,5H,4C,2C,5D ]
SHOWDOWN
-Nikolaich- shows [ QD,JH ]
THE_KLUP shows [ 7H,7D ]
THE_KLUP wins 1,700.
SUMMARY
Dealer: THE_KLUP
Pot: 1,700
Grundi1902, loses 520
-Nikolaich-, loses 520
1345678, loses 20
THE_KLUP, bets 520, collects 1,700, net 1,180
Jagshemash, loses 120
TEXAS_HOLDEM, NO_LIMIT, T5-173492827-42
played at "Table #1" for USD TC from 2011-09-07 12:06 until 2011-09-07 12:07
Seat 2: Grundi1902 (4,475 in chips)
Seat 5: -Nikolaich- (1,835 in chips)
Seat 6: 1345678 (7,530 in chips)
Seat 7: THE_KLUP (520 in chips)
Seat 10: Jagshemash (3,640 in chips)
ANTES/BLINDS
Jagshemash posts ante (20), Grundi1902 posts ante (20), -Nikolaich- posts ante (20), 1345678 posts ante (20), THE_KLUP posts ante (20), Jagshemash posts small blind (100), Grundi1902 posts big blind (200),
PRE-FLOP
-Nikolaich- raises to 500, 1345678 folds, THE_KLUP calls 500 and is all-in, Jagshemash folds, Grundi1902 calls 500.
FLOP [board cards: AD,5H,4C ]
Grundi1902 checks, -Nikolaich- checks.
TURN [board cards: AD,5H,4C,2C ]
Grundi1902 checks, -Nikolaich- bets 1,300, Grundi1902 folds.
RIVER [board cards: AD,5H,4C,2C,5D ]
SHOWDOWN
-Nikolaich- shows [ QD,JH ]
THE_KLUP shows [ 7H,7D ]
THE_KLUP wins 1,700.
SUMMARY
Dealer: THE_KLUP
Pot: 1,700
Grundi1902, loses 520
-Nikolaich-, loses 520
1345678, loses 20
THE_KLUP, bets 520, collects 1,700, net 1,180
Jagshemash, loses 120
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The old 'bluffing at an empty pot' eh?
Can only assume he's a novice. |
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Seat 1: Dr. Mugabe (1,890 in chips)
Seat 3: 1petpet (2,000 in chips) Seat 4: FZ6_S (6,630 in chips) Seat 6: anznx6596 (1,970 in chips) Seat 7: vkdog (2,000 in chips) Seat 8: Frommer 21M (1,900 in chips) Seat 9: Denyy1 (2,000 in chips) Seat 10: dunas1976 (1,610 in chips) ANTES/BLINDS BETTING_LEVELS_CHANGED , Frommer 21M posts small blind (15), Denyy1 posts big blind (30), PRE-FLOP dunas1976 calls 30, Dr. Mugabe calls 30, 1petpet calls 30, FZ6_S calls 30, anznx6596 folds, vkdog folds, Frommer 21M folds, Denyy1 raises to 150, dunas1976 calls 150, Dr. Mugabe folds, 1petpet calls 150, FZ6_S calls 150. FLOP [board cards: 6H,9D,5H ] Denyy1 bets 480, dunas1976 calls 480, 1petpet calls 480, FZ6_S folds. TURN [board cards: 6H,9D,5H,JS ] Denyy1 bets 1,370 and is all-in, dunas1976 calls 980 and is all-in, 1petpet folds. RIVER [board cards: 6H,9D,5H,JS,2H ] SHOWDOWN Denyy1 shows [ QS,QH ] dunas1976 shows [ 3H,4H ] dunas1976 wins 4,045. SUMMARY Dealer: vkdog Pot: 4,045 Dr. Mugabe, loses 30 1petpet, loses 630 FZ6_S, loses 150 anznx6596, loses 0 vkdog, loses 0 Frommer 21M, loses 15 Denyy1, loses 1,610 dunas1976, bets 1,610, collects 4,045, net 2,435 |
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Well that's sort of fair enough in my opinion.
If Denyy1 thought there was a good chance he was in front of the all-in at that stage (which indeed he was) then trying to push the third hand out of the pot (which he did successfully)in case he gets lucky is a legitimate move. In this case of course it was the all-in who got lucky on the river with a straight flush. But there's a lot to be said for '2 hands are better than 1' when there's a chance of eliminating someone. Personally, I wouldn't have bet those queens. I'd have just checked it down. |
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man of many moods what are you talking about?!
Quack can you please stop posting hands it's getting very boring!! |
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quack ... The one mistake would be pre flop.
Your raise should have been much higher as you had 4 callers in front of you. With QQ you want to isolate - and avoid a situation where 4 others to see the flop. You are also on the Big Blind, which means you will be out of position after the flop, which makes it even more difficult because nearly any flop except Q72 rainbow becomes scary. As soon as the first player calls your raise, the other three become more likely to make the call and any flop other than Q72 rainbow becomes scary. Next time you are on the BB, holding QQ, and the blinds are 30/15. If you have 4 callers ahead of you, raise to 300/400 - or just check! |
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Apocalypse, I don't know this character Quack.
I was assuming he posted it as an example hand similar to the previous one. Which it isn't! Hope that makes sense now although I would have though it was pretty obvious. |
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have a look at this hand. Nearly identical to yours. And i played it (without thinking - very similar to how i suggested you play your QQ). I also got a few callers, and they BOTH flopped something which put me in big danger. Luckily i won the hand! TEXAS_HOLDEM, NO_LIMIT, T5-173528939-17 played at "Table #1" for USD TC from 2011-09-08 07:18 until 2011-09-08 07:19 Seat 1: sk1152 (4,237 in chips) Seat 2: 1more2ok (6,068 in chips) Seat 3: gr.83 (2,955 in chips) Seat 4: matta1984 (2,005 in chips) Seat 6: THE_KLUP (1,470 in chips) Seat 7: Therazorse (1,950 in chips) Seat 8: 1banditpanda (1,730 in chips) Seat 9: snoopy717171 (2,260 in chips) Seat 10: Rivva rat (1,925 in chips) ANTES/BLINDS Therazorse posts small blind (15), 1banditpanda posts big blind (30), PRE-FLOP snoopy717171 raises to 60, Rivva rat folds, sk1152 calls 60, 1more2ok calls 60, gr.83 folds, matta1984 calls 60, THE_KLUP raises to 405, Therazorse folds, 1banditpanda folds, snoopy717171 calls 405, sk1152 folds, 1more2ok folds, matta1984 calls 405. FLOP [board cards: 9D,6C,7H ] snoopy717171 bets 1,855 and is all-in, matta1984 calls 1,600 and is all-in, THE_KLUP calls 1,065 and is all-in. TURN [board cards: 9D,6C,7H,3H ] RIVER [board cards: 9D,6C,7H,3H,7S ] SHOWDOWN snoopy717171 shows [ 9H,JD ] matta1984 shows [ 6H,8H ] THE_KLUP shows [ JC,JH ] THE_KLUP wins 4,575, snoopy717171 wins 1,070. SUMMARY Dealer: THE_KLUP Pot: 5,645 sk1152, loses 60 1more2ok, loses 60 gr.83, loses 0 matta1984, loses 2,005 THE_KLUP, bets 1,470, collects 4,575, net 3,105 Therazorse, loses 15 1banditpanda, loses 30 snoopy717171, loses 935 Rivva rat, loses 0 |
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And here is another example
TEXAS_HOLDEM, NO_LIMIT, T5-173544599-3 played at "Table #3" for USD TC from 2011-09-08 07:32 until 2011-09-08 07:33 Seat 1: THE_KLUP (2,080 in chips) Seat 2: nihux (2,000 in chips) Seat 3: SEMBAD (1,980 in chips) Seat 5: ste866 (2,000 in chips) Seat 6: peedeedocs1 (2,040 in chips) Seat 7: apollonist11 (1,900 in chips) ANTES/BLINDS THE_KLUP posts small blind (10), nihux posts big blind (20), PRE-FLOP SEMBAD folds, ste866 calls 20, peedeedocs1 calls 20, apollonist11 calls 20, THE_KLUP raises to 400, nihux folds, ste866 folds, peedeedocs1 calls 400, apollonist11 folds. FLOP [board cards: 7C,JS,KH ] THE_KLUP checks, peedeedocs1 bets 200, THE_KLUP calls 200. TURN [board cards: 7C,JS,KH,3D ] THE_KLUP bets 40, peedeedocs1 raises to 900, THE_KLUP raises to 1,480 and is all-in, peedeedocs1 calls 1,440 and is all-in. RIVER [board cards: 7C,JS,KH,3D,5C ] SHOWDOWN THE_KLUP shows [ KC,KS ] peedeedocs1 shows [ JH,JC ] THE_KLUP wins 4,140. SUMMARY Dealer: apollonist11 Pot: 4,140 THE_KLUP, bets 2,040, collects 4,140, net 2,100 nihux, loses 20 SEMBAD, loses 0 ste866, loses 20 peedeedocs1, loses 2,040 apollonist11, loses 20 |
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Thanx Dino xx
On blinds 10/20 if i raise 400 i think all fold as most of players here know that I very rarely bluff but you played it much better then me atleast you won it [:)] |
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quack ... winning or losing the hand is not important. that is just probability and statistics.
The key is to play your hand correctly. thats all. |
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Deny, I think your pre flop raise is just right (2x BB + 2 BB's). Over raising big hands is a tell at low stakes (which I make a note) and it will cost you in the long run. Klup's style means he can get away with it as you never have a clue what he plays but at our stakes sticking to ABC usually works. Keeping your raises consistent is the important point.
BTW Klup, I disagree with over raising. I feel it will cost you more chips in the long run. |
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Sorry Ovalman but I have to agree with the Greek donk here.
Deny's raise in this hand just invites other players to play and QQ or even AA doesn't play well 4 or 5 handed and even a 10 high flop can bring about catastrophic losses, the much bigger raise (I think 140ish would be enough) means chances are you will be playing the hand heads up and all of a sudden QQ becomes a strong hand again. If they all fold they all fold but much better to win a small pot than lose a big one. |
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sorry 14oish should read 240ish
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Over raising in the long term is a bad move imo.
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With four callers inside of you? No chance. In this day and age there are too many who try to be "creative" with 34 suited (me included).
Ovalman, get on your bike!  |
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Sorry I'm a numpty, my standard pre flop raise is 2xBB + a BB added for every player in the pot. I thought there was 2 in front of Deny hence my 2xBB + 2BB quote. I really need to visualise hands to understand them, I can't get the gist of a hand history just reading the text. I'd raise that up to 240, might even donk all in although probably not.
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Anything over a pot raise is over raising to me.
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