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77 flop A 10 7, all in, yeah he has 10 10, shocker...
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wow it gets better AJ V A9, flop A 10 9, turn 10, river 9 lol awesome betfair keep up the good work
I did ask about the amazing obvious fraudulent set up dealing going on.
They denied it.
Then again....they weren't going to admit it, even though it is both obvious and fraudulent.
Next step .... THE GAMBLING COMMISSION !!!!
They denied it.
Then again....they weren't going to admit it, even though it is both obvious and fraudulent.
Next step .... THE GAMBLING COMMISSION !!!!
well I am back to my usual losing so it must be ****!
mind you I have been having some shocking bad beats and would love a £1 acc on the last 4 or 5 of them and then I could retire on my own tropical island 
mind you I have been having some shocking bad beats and would love a £1 acc on the last 4 or 5 of them and then I could retire on my own tropical island
I simply cannot understand it. You guys, why dont you play at pokerstars, better graphics, better tourneys, sit n gos in their 1000s, better loyalty program, over 200k players at peak times and if u wanted ur own community game, u just set up a 'home game' which is easy. I havent played on Betfair for a good while now because it is blatanly obvious its bent, too obivous for words and also if you look at 'their' loyalty program 'essence', you will see that it favours the losing player, hmmmm, anyone ever wondered why? It doesnt take a rocket scientist to work out they want to keep the money swilling round nicely. Everyday there will be a new post moaning about the site. Do something about it, leave the god damm thing. I mean ffs, the software is worse than when i started out playing 6 years ago on cryptologic. There not going to spend money upgrading to new software or things that have been requested by chipfire and HF, they want ur money as simple as that and the sooner you all realise that the better!
Jc and all,
I must admit I said I'd give the new BF a year and still I'm here and play on stars and occasionally other sites too. Seen some strange set ups on all from sites from time to time. I been thinking that a lot of it is just variance with MTTs which I've been mainly playing. Sometimes when on a roll we do not notice how well the cards have run in our favour and on the downside it is so much easier to see the setups.
Had a few recently where I have even considered folding Kings pre-flop and I'm not a good enough player to even consider that. And i have not just pushed and then seen some strange cards. How can you play that junk? Then by then before the river I just know what's coming next and it does. And loads of 3 same suited cards on the flop. I'm not playing too many tables, too many hands am I? And that's not easy to check on BF - I cannot find any basic counting functions as options. I wondeer is this why not?
I think though that all poker sites want my money but some are finding more interesting ways to get it. I'm just pleased that I took some significant cash for me out at the top of my upswing' had a great few weeks break, but have not spent it all, but am now on big downswing and bottom is not far away I hope. And will probably avoid rushing a decision on where, if anywhere, I'm going to put it.
I must admit I said I'd give the new BF a year and still I'm here and play on stars and occasionally other sites too. Seen some strange set ups on all from sites from time to time. I been thinking that a lot of it is just variance with MTTs which I've been mainly playing. Sometimes when on a roll we do not notice how well the cards have run in our favour and on the downside it is so much easier to see the setups.
Had a few recently where I have even considered folding Kings pre-flop and I'm not a good enough player to even consider that. And i have not just pushed and then seen some strange cards. How can you play that junk? Then by then before the river I just know what's coming next and it does. And loads of 3 same suited cards on the flop. I'm not playing too many tables, too many hands am I? And that's not easy to check on BF - I cannot find any basic counting functions as options. I wondeer is this why not?
I think though that all poker sites want my money but some are finding more interesting ways to get it. I'm just pleased that I took some significant cash for me out at the top of my upswing' had a great few weeks break, but have not spent it all, but am now on big downswing and bottom is not far away I hope. And will probably avoid rushing a decision on where, if anywhere, I'm going to put it.
JC30,
I agree with a lot of your points but your understanding of a poker ecology is non existent - where do you think all the money comes from to pay the winners - Pokerstars?
Wake up, understand what you are talking about then post, have you looked into the mechanics and compared the value back you get at Poker stars to Ongame skins?
Poker sites are a business, they want to make money - sites do it in differnt ways and some are better than others but understand the bottom line - if you do not have losing players you do not have winning players!
TB
I agree with a lot of your points but your understanding of a poker ecology is non existent - where do you think all the money comes from to pay the winners - Pokerstars?
Wake up, understand what you are talking about then post, have you looked into the mechanics and compared the value back you get at Poker stars to Ongame skins?
Poker sites are a business, they want to make money - sites do it in differnt ways and some are better than others but understand the bottom line - if you do not have losing players you do not have winning players!
TB
So funny!! You reckon that starz has the best graphics!! How wrong can you be =D
I can't believe that people actually play on that site!
I can't believe that people actually play on that site!
3 or 4 years ago anyone with a degree of discipline and a basic grasp of maths could turnover a regular profit. Those days, when money was easy, are gone, thanks to the global recession hitting those countries where most of the fish hailed from particularly hard.
As has been said, all sites operate with a view first and foremost to make as much money as possible for the shareholder. To make out stars is some kind of charity resting home for the beleagured poker grinder is just daft.
Rather than having blind loyalty to one particular site, most sensible players now pick and choose where they play, dependent on where they feel they can maximise their profits and what type of poker they play on any given day.
The loyalty schemes may vary in the way they operate but all of the ones I've seen are giving the player back between 20 and 40 % depending on their spend. I deffo wouldnt put stars ahead of any site in that respect, though from an stt perspective their entry fees are lower than most. That said the games seem tougher than one or two other sites. [;)]
As has been said, all sites operate with a view first and foremost to make as much money as possible for the shareholder. To make out stars is some kind of charity resting home for the beleagured poker grinder is just daft.
Rather than having blind loyalty to one particular site, most sensible players now pick and choose where they play, dependent on where they feel they can maximise their profits and what type of poker they play on any given day.
The loyalty schemes may vary in the way they operate but all of the ones I've seen are giving the player back between 20 and 40 % depending on their spend. I deffo wouldnt put stars ahead of any site in that respect, though from an stt perspective their entry fees are lower than most. That said the games seem tougher than one or two other sites. [;)]
Firstly, i would like to say chipfire, that at no point whatsoever did i state that Stars is some kind of charity home, nothing could be further frm the truth. The only point i was trying to make is simply stars IS better than Ongame, that is my honest opinion, yours may differ but please dont make up ridiculous statements that i, in no terms whatsoever said. Now, with regards to 'trueblue', obviously wheres theres winning players ther is losing ones, that is ****g a stupid statement to make, but a site lives through the rake it generates and to make more money they need to make more rake. Simply more players create more rake, that itself is obvious, but you have to 'keep' they players involved. Its no good letting the sharks continually take the fishes bankrolls, there has to be something in place to balance it out. Ppl will claim the RNG is r1gged to help the fish suckout on a regular basis, every has there own opinionon that. My point was simply this. Their loyalty program 'helps' the losing player does it not. Why? Surely that isnt fair. Shouldnt it be a level playing field. That is 'their' way of generating more rake and ultimately more money, if the losing player gets a better cash boost then he will be around for longer and hence help the site make more money.
Sorry btw, Apocolypse, stars has the best graphics imo, they also did an upgrade yesterday which included new tables and quicker dealing of the cards amongst other things. If you want to laugh at my opinion, why dont you post what you think is better because if you say Ongame, then you seriously are disturbed!
The fact that stars charge such low fees for sngs makes it almost irrelevant that they don't offer rakeback, it is still vastly better value than sites which do.
Old Betfair was the best followed closely by fulltilt. Every single site i've played on is better than starz!
The lobby is a joke!
The table layout is stupid and the sounds are totally rediculous!
Also who in their right mind enjoys playing in tournies with over 5000 runners?!
I cannot for the life of me understand why they were ahead of fulltilt.
Surely you must agree that rush poker was THE best addition of any site!
The lobby is a joke!
The table layout is stupid and the sounds are totally rediculous!
Also who in their right mind enjoys playing in tournies with over 5000 runners?!
I cannot for the life of me understand why they were ahead of fulltilt.
Surely you must agree that rush poker was THE best addition of any site!
Apocolypse, cryptologic was my favourite, but they went, then full tilt was my favourite and they went. I have never really been a great fan of Stars but with whats offered today, its the best software out the imo. I totally agree about the sounds, so i disable certain things such as the chips being moved from the pot and the 'warning' sound. I also agree about the amount of players in tourneys, thats why i dont tend to play them any more, last time i did i came 10th out of 3291 after 7 1/2 hours play which i was totally pissed off after getting sucked out on. With regards to 'rush' poker, for me i loved rush but it didnt do me any favours because i am a HU player and i was making a decent amount from FT on the HU tables but when rush came along, all the fish from hu went to play rush and all that was left was the super grinding reg nits so it became a lot less profitable. 'Modjadji', Full Tilt will rise from the dead, i can guarantee you, in fact i will be surprised if its not back online by February at the latest.
You remember your bad beats but forget the good beats, it's human nature to spot patterns.
Futile exercise, the cards are as random for all.
Futile exercise, the cards are as random for all.
LOL at POP
So people are going to send you their bad beats and you're gonna put them altogether and prove what?
a) That bad beats happen
b) That the statistics are worthless as they will be out of context without all the other hands the people have played
c) That you are just a bad poker player
d) That you are lacking even basic understanding of how to compile statistics
e) All of the above.
ps the answer is e
So people are going to send you their bad beats and you're gonna put them altogether and prove what?
a) That bad beats happen
b) That the statistics are worthless as they will be out of context without all the other hands the people have played
c) That you are just a bad poker player
d) That you are lacking even basic understanding of how to compile statistics
e) All of the above.
ps the answer is e
Stars playing there 7 years, simply the best in every single aspect.
Software superb and even better with latest update and nova table themes etc.
Cashouts quick and fast, can also use ukash to deposit.
But most of all customer service that is top notch and liaises with the 2p2 community on a daily basis.
The big mtts and daily guarantees for big and small stakes cannot be touched anywhere else , yes lots of runners but also lots of bad fun players.
Ongame, whilst it has problems and can use a few key updates, I really think its not too bad, its clear and crisp and simple, look at Ipoker for a dated slow interface.
Really think NONE of these Euro sites did enough to get FTP players after there collapse, I mean where was the aggressive marketing upping guarantees etc, there was a massive void and a real opportunity to gain good solid liquidity but they did nothing, truly strange.
Software superb and even better with latest update and nova table themes etc.
Cashouts quick and fast, can also use ukash to deposit.
But most of all customer service that is top notch and liaises with the 2p2 community on a daily basis.
The big mtts and daily guarantees for big and small stakes cannot be touched anywhere else , yes lots of runners but also lots of bad fun players.
Ongame, whilst it has problems and can use a few key updates, I really think its not too bad, its clear and crisp and simple, look at Ipoker for a dated slow interface.
Really think NONE of these Euro sites did enough to get FTP players after there collapse, I mean where was the aggressive marketing upping guarantees etc, there was a massive void and a real opportunity to gain good solid liquidity but they did nothing, truly strange.
^^^
As you play a perfect game but the world is against you, why not just put your last 100 hands for the rest of us to see?
As you play a perfect game but the world is against you, why not just put your last 100 hands for the rest of us to see?
pi--ssed off punter
01 Sep 11 19:42
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obviously the so called crew that ajudicated at the meeting never mentioned anything about the amazing obvious fraudulent set up dealing going on at this site,well done wonder who butters your bread.
if you have a copy of suspicious hands send them to me at dmpltd2003@yahoo.com I am looking for a sample of aprox 1000 hands which will be anylysed and results compared with 2 or 3000 hands offline.
I think it is time a proper investigation of this poker site was carried out with a view of determining what exactly they claim is random and what is being deliberatly dealt.
it is very obvious that they are calling down cards on the river here and it is time some legal or class action was taken out against ongame and betfair.
pi--ssed off punter
pi--ssed off punter
03 Sep 11 17:06
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keep sending me your suspicious hands,you will be amazed at the results being thrown up when compared to offline play.
we will see how their share price goes when a case is taken to recover funds from corupt dealing,we will see how they feel when they are being told to repay millions if not billions of dollars to all current and previous players of this site.
Just show me where it sends send me 100 consecutive hands? All I can see is send me your suspicious hands no mention of the non suspicious ones in between!
So, you read my post, realised what a paranoid clueless fool you sounded like, moved the goalposts but because your not that bright forgot that what you actually said was still there for all to read earlier in the thread!
So comical its untue!
01 Sep 11 19:42
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| Topic/replies: 27 | Blogger: pi--ssed off punter's blog
obviously the so called crew that ajudicated at the meeting never mentioned anything about the amazing obvious fraudulent set up dealing going on at this site,well done wonder who butters your bread.
if you have a copy of suspicious hands send them to me at dmpltd2003@yahoo.com I am looking for a sample of aprox 1000 hands which will be anylysed and results compared with 2 or 3000 hands offline.
I think it is time a proper investigation of this poker site was carried out with a view of determining what exactly they claim is random and what is being deliberatly dealt.
it is very obvious that they are calling down cards on the river here and it is time some legal or class action was taken out against ongame and betfair.
pi--ssed off punter
pi--ssed off punter
03 Sep 11 17:06
Joined:
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| Topic/replies: 27 | Blogger: pi--ssed off punter's blog
keep sending me your suspicious hands,you will be amazed at the results being thrown up when compared to offline play.
we will see how their share price goes when a case is taken to recover funds from corupt dealing,we will see how they feel when they are being told to repay millions if not billions of dollars to all current and previous players of this site.
Just show me where it sends send me 100 consecutive hands? All I can see is send me your suspicious hands no mention of the non suspicious ones in between!
So, you read my post, realised what a paranoid clueless fool you sounded like, moved the goalposts but because your not that bright forgot that what you actually said was still there for all to read earlier in the thread!
So comical its untue!
why not get 10 people to play a 25 cent SNG and just check it down and then you will get to see all the cards through the game, could be of some interest! I for one would take part so only need 9 more!
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