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Tell me it is true - some1 just said on chat on *s
Hopefully the rest follow.
Hopefully the rest follow.
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yes. min buyin is now 35bbs. they have specific 'shallow' tables now for shorties
THIS IS AWESOME NEWS
Doobs I dont dont comprehend the link?- tell me he aint a orrible shortstacker these days !!!
Doobs I dont dont comprehend the link?- tell me he aint a orrible shortstacker these days !!!
Not only is he a shortstacker, I think he trains them :)
What happens in Rush poker please?
200+ hands per hour per table
As soon as you fold, or hit the quick fold, you are moved to a new table and start the next hand. Excellent way for spewtards like me to grease the poker economy at -36BB/100.
200+ hands per hour per table
As soon as you fold, or hit the quick fold, you are moved to a new table and start the next hand. Excellent way for spewtards like me to grease the poker economy at -36BB/100.
yes a true blitzfest, people pushing with all sorts of rubbish hoping everyone else has hit the quick fold so as to pick up blinds etc. well fun on there last night at .5/1, made 500 in hour and a half before i got dizzy. not amazing figures but nice either way.
Are you reading this Betfair??
Your lower level tables Neon/Flourine are being destroyed by players like TureSventon, FriedrichB, yeahyeahnh, etc
Everyone hates them........sort out some tables with a 50bb min buy in x-(
Your lower level tables Neon/Flourine are being destroyed by players like TureSventon, FriedrichB, yeahyeahnh, etc
Everyone hates them........sort out some tables with a 50bb min buy in x-(
Didn't know that Doobs :(
There is also a player on *s whom used to be a great player who has resorted to this and spoiling the game for everyone else. I hope *s quickly follow**. Obviously they are doing nothing wrong as playing within rules but I really hope rules change quick as this has ruined cash poker for me this year.
Obviously the 100 min BB tables are full of better quality players so prefer to avoid all poker on these tables, which is the usual short stackers chat when they get abused !!!
There is also a player on *s whom used to be a great player who has resorted to this and spoiling the game for everyone else. I hope *s quickly follow**. Obviously they are doing nothing wrong as playing within rules but I really hope rules change quick as this has ruined cash poker for me this year.
Obviously the 100 min BB tables are full of better quality players so prefer to avoid all poker on these tables, which is the usual short stackers chat when they get abused !!!
I know betfair have problems banning them from before. I think the min buyin is core architecture to the software or some other geek speak that meant it can't be changed quickly from a previous thread.
It will be annyoing if betfair is the last site to ban them, and they all turn up here. :(
But I do tend to leave as soon as I get more than a couple at a table, and there probably isn't enough traffic to keep many here.
It will be annyoing if betfair is the last site to ban them, and they all turn up here. :(
But I do tend to leave as soon as I get more than a couple at a table, and there probably isn't enough traffic to keep many here.
shortstackers beat recreational or weak/average players. good players kill shortstackers if they dont play with ego and stupid aggresion wanting to get shorty because they think its not cricket.
its within the rules so stop being little biatches and adapt. its hardly like i am responsible for every ss player in the wrold so stop having little back handed snipes and inuendo. yeh i trained a few short stackers (dont do anymore) but there are about 10 sites specifically working with training short stackers out there at the minute.
do some research and analysis instead of just being moaning crying babies on forums and earn your livings however you have to
its within the rules so stop being little biatches and adapt. its hardly like i am responsible for every ss player in the wrold so stop having little back handed snipes and inuendo. yeh i trained a few short stackers (dont do anymore) but there are about 10 sites specifically working with training short stackers out there at the minute.
do some research and analysis instead of just being moaning crying babies on forums and earn your livings however you have to
what is this short stacking business all about please
ariston I am well aware of the ranges and how one is supposed to play against them.
Its the fact they take a seat that someone whom is playing 100BB and is not strong that is annoying.
I personally wish for the below
a) They create tables 20BB max so they can all sit together and play their games all day long.
b) That other sites follow the** lead and stop them killing decent games.
How you choose to make cash is your choice, I clearly mentioned its not against rules. I personally think its pretty low just as the high stakes players on** hated that player that was short stacking the big games and making it profitable.
They are spoiling poker for me, this is my opinion, one I am entitled to.
GL
Its the fact they take a seat that someone whom is playing 100BB and is not strong that is annoying.
I personally wish for the below
a) They create tables 20BB max so they can all sit together and play their games all day long.
b) That other sites follow the** lead and stop them killing decent games.
How you choose to make cash is your choice, I clearly mentioned its not against rules. I personally think its pretty low just as the high stakes players on** hated that player that was short stacking the big games and making it profitable.
They are spoiling poker for me, this is my opinion, one I am entitled to.
GL
comment wasnt aimed at you soap it was aimed at the other one who likes to continually have digs blaming me for anyone who plays shortstacks in a snide way because he dont know how to play them
** havent banned them they have installed some new higher buyin tables that favour better players. you dont think there will be min stackers on them playing to sytstems? ft can also do this easily thanks to the fact they have software and the budget to change it weekly if they want to. two of the biggest winners of alltime on hsb are short stackers and one of them is english- one gets abuse and is generally abused the other it never gets mentioned. what a strange world we live in.
asking sites to ban shortstacker is ludicrous when a good short stacker can cake 10-15k per month. even a bad short stacker can cake 5 without trying. the sites are in business to try make money at the end of the day. while i agree all sites should have higher buyin tables on some networks or some sites it just isnt possible.
** havent banned them they have installed some new higher buyin tables that favour better players. you dont think there will be min stackers on them playing to sytstems? ft can also do this easily thanks to the fact they have software and the budget to change it weekly if they want to. two of the biggest winners of alltime on hsb are short stackers and one of them is english- one gets abuse and is generally abused the other it never gets mentioned. what a strange world we live in.
asking sites to ban shortstacker is ludicrous when a good short stacker can cake 10-15k per month. even a bad short stacker can cake 5 without trying. the sites are in business to try make money at the end of the day. while i agree all sites should have higher buyin tables on some networks or some sites it just isnt possible.
Yes understand it and can see why sites may not move against it.
Just personally for me it has been ruining games, I also have to admit that I probably lose versus them which may well be for some of the reasons you lay out in 1st post.
Just personally for me it has been ruining games, I also have to admit that I probably lose versus them which may well be for some of the reasons you lay out in 1st post.
the players that beat me in a pot and laugh and say lool shorty etc i immediately check out on hem how they are doing v my various accounts. not one of them is ever beating me overall and they are usually in the top 30 losers v me
stop playing with ego do some research and earn some money- it aint rocket science. i must admit though i dont play ss to a strict system and play almost entirely on hud stats and situations- in effect im playing a deepstack game with a shortstack and dont mind playing flops etc. far more successful against the regs who do target ss players.
stop playing with ego do some research and earn some money- it aint rocket science. i must admit though i dont play ss to a strict system and play almost entirely on hud stats and situations- in effect im playing a deepstack game with a shortstack and dont mind playing flops etc. far more successful against the regs who do target ss players.
So waht happens when your ss becomes a big stack? Do you just stop and open another table?
Shortstackers are really bad for poker games and are a short sighted profit**for the poker sites. Although they are ra king a lot of money not only are they taking up a seat that could be used by someone playing properly, but they hinder the enjoyment of the game for the serious players but more crucially the recreational players.
Furthermore shortstackers kill action on poker tables. You do not raise as much preflop if you have a annoying guy to your left shoving 20bb. This equals less r ake. People leave and quit tables when too many shortstackers are there. Tables dying is not good for the site. Okay a lot of these people will just open another table but not all.
The problem with shortstackers is that they are taking advantage of the fact that in a game where two people are mutualy deep stacked it is profitable to be aggressive. The shortstackers have an advantage against this as they can ship it in and not worry about decisions on later streets. To play better against a shortstackers the standard player must change his strategy against the deep stacked player which because they are sitting with far more cash than the shortstacker would not work.
Full Tilt obviously thinks it is a problem in scaring away their deep stacked players as they have raised the minumum. If there are no deep stacked players then the short stackers bugger off the site to leach off someone else!
Furthermore shortstackers kill action on poker tables. You do not raise as much preflop if you have a annoying guy to your left shoving 20bb. This equals less r ake. People leave and quit tables when too many shortstackers are there. Tables dying is not good for the site. Okay a lot of these people will just open another table but not all.
The problem with shortstackers is that they are taking advantage of the fact that in a game where two people are mutualy deep stacked it is profitable to be aggressive. The shortstackers have an advantage against this as they can ship it in and not worry about decisions on later streets. To play better against a shortstackers the standard player must change his strategy against the deep stacked player which because they are sitting with far more cash than the shortstacker would not work.
Full Tilt obviously thinks it is a problem in scaring away their deep stacked players as they have raised the minumum. If there are no deep stacked players then the short stackers bugger off the site to leach off someone else!
Also people hate the insta ratholing that the short stackers do.
So will short stackers be playing at the new short stack tables? If so will this mean they will have to create new short stack tables and so on?
mccoy they leave as soon as double up once it gets to their blind and if thet play hand before gets to blind you can pyt them on aa or kk
Thxs soap, just been reading an article on it. It's as you say.
it was aimed at the other one who likes to continually have digs blaming me for anyone who plays shortstacks in a snide way because he dont know how to play them
You are levelling right?
You are levelling right?
got to love some peoples opinions on this
from a business point of view- short term profit**and it generates less cake??? you compare cake paid on a standard 1/2 table on your HEM for the 50bb min tables and the tables where ss is allowed. ss creates faster play and more capped pots. a table with ss on it cakes more than double per hour than a deepstack only table as there are more hands played and more capped pots.
killing games- without ss there would be not tables on most of the major sites barring *s and FT. ss start tables as they leave when 1.5 buyin and usually play 10 tables + each. the constant regeneration of tables increases liquidity doesnt crush it
Players hate it- the recreational players dont mind because they often call pushes with hands like AT to find they are in front and can still win money even if a bad player. the good regs love em because they know how to play them and win money off them. the only players who dont lke playing with them are the poor regs who sit and set mine etc as it stops their nittiness and makes them play pots/pay cake so it costs them money. its the players who think they are great because they play a lot of poker who play with ego and the attitude of "its not real poker no ss player can play post flop etc" who do badly against ss and blame them for their own inadquecies. there are some great players who have played or are playing ss and to tar all ss with the same brush is the mistake many of you make. mark vos/ chufty who have won millions each playing ss are both bad players??? you got to realise poker isnt about ego or balls or look how much i can sit down at the table with its about one thing- winning money.
This is no different to the evolution in the game. 6 years ago was pretty easy to win money online just by being aggresive and firing multiple shells. a large % of the players hadnt got a clue and it was a doddle. now a high % of players use HEM or similar software and read the millions of articles on the game and the standard of play is therefor a lot better. its now not easy to make money online so you have to adapt your own game. If you cant adapt to having ss on the table play the bigger buyin tables, learn to play better/different or give the game up. or of course you could just whine on the forum about players who are exploiting an edge to make money.
and yes ofc i was levelling btw - u know i got thicker skin than that matey ;)
from a business point of view- short term profit**and it generates less cake??? you compare cake paid on a standard 1/2 table on your HEM for the 50bb min tables and the tables where ss is allowed. ss creates faster play and more capped pots. a table with ss on it cakes more than double per hour than a deepstack only table as there are more hands played and more capped pots.
killing games- without ss there would be not tables on most of the major sites barring *s and FT. ss start tables as they leave when 1.5 buyin and usually play 10 tables + each. the constant regeneration of tables increases liquidity doesnt crush it
Players hate it- the recreational players dont mind because they often call pushes with hands like AT to find they are in front and can still win money even if a bad player. the good regs love em because they know how to play them and win money off them. the only players who dont lke playing with them are the poor regs who sit and set mine etc as it stops their nittiness and makes them play pots/pay cake so it costs them money. its the players who think they are great because they play a lot of poker who play with ego and the attitude of "its not real poker no ss player can play post flop etc" who do badly against ss and blame them for their own inadquecies. there are some great players who have played or are playing ss and to tar all ss with the same brush is the mistake many of you make. mark vos/ chufty who have won millions each playing ss are both bad players??? you got to realise poker isnt about ego or balls or look how much i can sit down at the table with its about one thing- winning money.
This is no different to the evolution in the game. 6 years ago was pretty easy to win money online just by being aggresive and firing multiple shells. a large % of the players hadnt got a clue and it was a doddle. now a high % of players use HEM or similar software and read the millions of articles on the game and the standard of play is therefor a lot better. its now not easy to make money online so you have to adapt your own game. If you cant adapt to having ss on the table play the bigger buyin tables, learn to play better/different or give the game up. or of course you could just whine on the forum about players who are exploiting an edge to make money.
and yes ofc i was levelling btw - u know i got thicker skin than that matey ;)
get your short stack foul winnings into the below ;)
Odyssey Marine Exploration Inc OMEX:NAQ
Odyssey Marine Exploration Inc OMEX:NAQ
The thing I hate Ariston, is that short stacks often take away the opportunity to play others, particularly post flop. That is especially annoying when somebody is spewing off *****(sometimes your *****.
but the "others" ie the fish have a better chance of playing against the short stackers so it actually keeps fish in the game.
if u want to play with the fish you have to learn to put up with the short stackers who attract them.
the days of being able to sit nit it up and stack the fish are gone im afriad as there just arent enough fish to go round to pay all our bills.
if u want to play with the fish you have to learn to put up with the short stackers who attract them.
the days of being able to sit nit it up and stack the fish are gone im afriad as there just arent enough fish to go round to pay all our bills.
The short stackers affect you more if you don't nit up then if you do. If you are nitting up then your range crushes tyhe short stackers. If you are playing looser then it doesn't.
In that case Ariston......is the future of poker for everyone to "load up" with the min buy in and push/shove?
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P.S. Don't mean this nastily.........a genuine question.
P.S. Don't mean this nastily.........a genuine question.
get your short stack foul winnings into the below
Odyssey Marine Exploration Inc OMEX:NAQ
Why not just pass it to KLF if you want it burning so much?
Odyssey Marine Exploration Inc OMEX:NAQ
Why not just pass it to KLF if you want it burning so much?
if everyone did that i would be sat on 4 tables with full stacks picking off all the shortstackers with counter systems blue and white.
key to poker is to play differently to everyone else. there arent many ss players out there playing with counter systems to the regs who are using counter systems lol.
constant analising and adapting is needed.
key to poker is to play differently to everyone else. there arent many ss players out there playing with counter systems to the regs who are using counter systems lol.
constant analising and adapting is needed.
I'll try again.......keep getting the betfair gestapo pulling my reply :^0
Ariston..
as with LTG, you've done more with poker than I ever will.
However, if ss are so benificial to a site as regards cake then how come** have "banned" them?
Is it because the bigger rakers who play with full stacks have now begun to sit out when they sit?
n.b. not after aggro....genuine question.
Ariston..
as with LTG, you've done more with poker than I ever will.
However, if ss are so benificial to a site as regards cake then how come** have "banned" them?
Is it because the bigger rakers who play with full stacks have now begun to sit out when they sit?
n.b. not after aggro....genuine question.
genuine question so will give genuine answer
FT have not "banned" ss they have given bigger buyin table option to those players who dont want to play them. there will still be tables where you can short pull 20bbs
FT have such a large market share and so many customers they dont have the problems with liquidity that most other sites have and they can do this without too much effect. only *s and FT could take this step without effecting their overall market share/profits
dont forget there werent many professional ss players on FT because ss players earn their living mainly with cakeback. with FTs strict cakeback being very low and *s stance on cake the big ss players dont play there so the only ss players on those 2 sites are recreational ss players not massive cakers.
A good ss player breaks even and cakes say 10k a month. if he has a good cakeback deal one one of the european networks or sites he earns a decent living with no pressure. you couldnt already do that on FT or *s though so them "banning" ss players is just a standard stunt to please the players who dont bother to research or know anything.
most people are raving about the new format of poker ft have come up with without doing any research into the effects and the change in game dynamics- how many from here have fallen for the marketing of them and just sat in without doing any analysis of the best way to make money from these games???? oooh u can play 200 hands per hour great- if i play ss and multitable i can play 1000 hands in an hour. whats the difference please?
FT have not "banned" ss they have given bigger buyin table option to those players who dont want to play them. there will still be tables where you can short pull 20bbs
FT have such a large market share and so many customers they dont have the problems with liquidity that most other sites have and they can do this without too much effect. only *s and FT could take this step without effecting their overall market share/profits
dont forget there werent many professional ss players on FT because ss players earn their living mainly with cakeback. with FTs strict cakeback being very low and *s stance on cake the big ss players dont play there so the only ss players on those 2 sites are recreational ss players not massive cakers.
A good ss player breaks even and cakes say 10k a month. if he has a good cakeback deal one one of the european networks or sites he earns a decent living with no pressure. you couldnt already do that on FT or *s though so them "banning" ss players is just a standard stunt to please the players who dont bother to research or know anything.
most people are raving about the new format of poker ft have come up with without doing any research into the effects and the change in game dynamics- how many from here have fallen for the marketing of them and just sat in without doing any analysis of the best way to make money from these games???? oooh u can play 200 hands per hour great- if i play ss and multitable i can play 1000 hands in an hour. whats the difference please?
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