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22 Jan 10
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ok, this is a typical situation i have been finding myself in here, obviously its a bad result, but while its fresh in my mind i'll put my thoughts down at each stage
Full Tilt Poker Game #17815399389: Table Warp Speed (6 max) - $0.10/$0.25 - No Limit Hold'em - 14:43:34 ET - 2010/01/22
Seat 1: teamonkey73 ($29.95)
Seat 2: Emlis ($25)
Seat 3: poopieh3ad ($26.92)
Seat 4: sixxer ($22.50)
Seat 5: TheProphesy1 ($71.07)
Seat 6: pez gordo ($30.61)
poopieh3ad posts the small blind of $0.10
sixxer posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to teamonkey73 [Th Ts]
TheProphesy1 has 8 seconds left to act
TheProphesy1 raises to $0.75
pez gordo folds
teamonkey73 raises to $2.04 i want to get this guy HU, if he comes back over the top i can fold knowing i'm racing at best
Emlis folds
poopieh3ad folds
sixxer folds
TheProphesy1 calls $1.29
*** FLOP *** [Tc As 8d]
TheProphesy1 checks
teamonkey73 bets $0.48 decided to lead out weak, hoping he had hit the A or 88 and would come over the top of me, and if no A then he'd probably fold and i had the pot there and then.
TheProphesy1 calls $0.48 flat call means to me he has hit the A, but doesnt like his kicker
*** TURN *** [Tc As 8d] [7c]
TheProphesy1 checks
teamonkey73 has 15 seconds left to act
teamonkey73 bets $5.28 pot is now 5.40ish, i have a good hand here and want to build a decent pot, so now bet the pot and again hope for a reraise or to take it down
TheProphesy1 calls $5.28 great news
*** RIVER *** [Tc As 8d 7c] [9d] well fiick me, of course
TheProphesy1 bets $14
teamonkey73 has 15 seconds left to act
teamonkey73 has requested TIME
teamonkey73 calls $14
*** SHOW DOWN ***
TheProphesy1 shows [Ah Jc] a straight, Jack high
teamonkey73 mucks
TheProphesy1 wins the pot ($41.76) with a straight, Jack high
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $43.95 | pie $2.19
Board: [Tc As 8d 7c 9d]
Seat 1: teamonkey73 mucked [Th Ts] - three of a kind, Tens
Seat 2: Emlis (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: poopieh3ad (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 4: sixxer (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 5: TheProphesy1 showed [Ah Jc] and won ($41.76) with a straight, Jack high
Seat 6: pez gordo didn't bet (folded)
any input appreciated
thanks
Full Tilt Poker Game #17815399389: Table Warp Speed (6 max) - $0.10/$0.25 - No Limit Hold'em - 14:43:34 ET - 2010/01/22
Seat 1: teamonkey73 ($29.95)
Seat 2: Emlis ($25)
Seat 3: poopieh3ad ($26.92)
Seat 4: sixxer ($22.50)
Seat 5: TheProphesy1 ($71.07)
Seat 6: pez gordo ($30.61)
poopieh3ad posts the small blind of $0.10
sixxer posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to teamonkey73 [Th Ts]
TheProphesy1 has 8 seconds left to act
TheProphesy1 raises to $0.75
pez gordo folds
teamonkey73 raises to $2.04 i want to get this guy HU, if he comes back over the top i can fold knowing i'm racing at best
Emlis folds
poopieh3ad folds
sixxer folds
TheProphesy1 calls $1.29
*** FLOP *** [Tc As 8d]
TheProphesy1 checks
teamonkey73 bets $0.48 decided to lead out weak, hoping he had hit the A or 88 and would come over the top of me, and if no A then he'd probably fold and i had the pot there and then.
TheProphesy1 calls $0.48 flat call means to me he has hit the A, but doesnt like his kicker
*** TURN *** [Tc As 8d] [7c]
TheProphesy1 checks
teamonkey73 has 15 seconds left to act
teamonkey73 bets $5.28 pot is now 5.40ish, i have a good hand here and want to build a decent pot, so now bet the pot and again hope for a reraise or to take it down
TheProphesy1 calls $5.28 great news
*** RIVER *** [Tc As 8d 7c] [9d] well fiick me, of course
TheProphesy1 bets $14
teamonkey73 has 15 seconds left to act
teamonkey73 has requested TIME
teamonkey73 calls $14
*** SHOW DOWN ***
TheProphesy1 shows [Ah Jc] a straight, Jack high
teamonkey73 mucks
TheProphesy1 wins the pot ($41.76) with a straight, Jack high
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $43.95 | pie $2.19
Board: [Tc As 8d 7c 9d]
Seat 1: teamonkey73 mucked [Th Ts] - three of a kind, Tens
Seat 2: Emlis (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: poopieh3ad (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 4: sixxer (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 5: TheProphesy1 showed [Ah Jc] and won ($41.76) with a straight, Jack high
Seat 6: pez gordo didn't bet (folded)
any input appreciated
thanks
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You didnt lead. he check you bet. Pre you need to 4x their raise if you are 3 betting so $3 is fine. Then flop you should be betting $4/5 or checking. You said you bet cos you hoped he had Ax or 88, so why bet so little? They still call $4 with those hands or raise. Turn is ok, river is an easy fold. As hand was played id rate your play 2/10. No offence mate.
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You didnt lead. he check you bet. Pre you need to 4x their raise if you are 3 betting so $3 is fine. Then flop you should be betting $4/5 or checking. You said you bet cos you hoped he had Ax or 88, so why bet so little? They still call $4 with those hands or raise. Turn is ok, river is an easy fold. As hand was played id rate your play 2/10. No offence mate.
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Don't play cash but agree with LTG easy fold on flop.
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You have to lead out properly post flop on a very draw heavy board, river is a very easy fold.
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As others have said, the pre flop bet isn't big enough. Either call, or raise properly. The flop bet is horrific, bet all your hands the same. I know you asked for a mentor before. I think a lot of your hands follow a theme, you get trappy with big hands and price people in. The tiny bet just makes him suspicious so he pretty much never ever reraises.
As it was if you played it better the result is the same. He never folds, which shows why you should bet more. He either has an ace and calls that flop, or he has a draw and then you should give him a bad price. Either demands a bigger bet on the flop. If he has no draw and no ace you never get anything much from him, so don't try and get clever. |
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ok, some good input there, and i mean proper input, not just telling me i play shiit lol
ty guys, appreciated, and i'll work on it, is it possible that playing it so "rappy" would work better for MTTs as opposed to cash? now a difrent hand, much shorter hand, did i do right, or considering stack sizes, should i have just flat called and tried to get the pot bigger? Full Tilt Poker Game #17819599961: Table Warp Speed (6 max) - $0.10/$0.25 - No Limit Hold'em - 17:23:33 ET - 2010/01/22 Seat 1: teamonkey73 ($55.56) Seat 2: welho85 ($24.55) Seat 3: Lucky1Phil ($29.29) Seat 4: NeedYourMonies ($129.62) Seat 5: GWCGWC ($23.03) Seat 6: fonkosh8390 ($32.60) welho85 posts the small blind of $0.10 Lucky1Phil posts the big blind of $0.25 The button is in seat #1 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to teamonkey73 [Ah Ad] NeedYourMonies has 8 seconds left to act NeedYourMonies raises to $0.75 GWCGWC folds fonkosh8390 folds teamonkey73 raises to $2 welho85 has 15 seconds left to act welho85 folds Lucky1Phil folds NeedYourMonies raises to $5 teamonkey73 has 15 seconds left to act teamonkey73 raises to $11.88 NeedYourMonies has 15 seconds left to act NeedYourMonies has requested TIME NeedYourMonies folds Uncalled bet of $6.88 returned to teamonkey73 teamonkey73 mucks teamonkey73 wins the pot ($10.35) *** SUMMARY *** Total pot $10.35 | pie $0 Seat 1: teamonkey73 (button) collected ($10.35), mucked Seat 2: welho85 (small blind) folded before the Flop Seat 3: Lucky1Phil (big blind) folded before the Flop Seat 4: NeedYourMonies folded before the Flop Seat 5: GWCGWC didn't bet (folded) Seat 6: fonkosh8390 didn't bet (folded) PS, i realise i made a small reraise again, but with aces is this acceptable or not? |
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Hi mick, i've posted on one of your threads before. I think one of your main problems and a fault of alot of players(have made the mistake myself in the past), Is that you think you have won the hand before it has finished and unfortunately can then not give up a hand that has blatantly lost. You really need to improve your pre and post flop play
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def working on it baron, taking it slow, trying to forget my past victories and start afresh, bit of an old dog tho, will take time patience and discipline
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Any profit you take on a given hand is good, learn to play your full range opitimally!
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Which works best?
a) NeedYourMonies raises to $0.75 GWCGWC folds fonkosh8390 folds teamonkey73 raises to $2 (I have aces so I raise small) welho85 has 15 seconds left to act welho85 folds Lucky1Phil folds NeedYourMonies raises to $5 teamonkey73 has 15 seconds left to act teamonkey73 raises to $11.88 (I really do have aces) or b) NeedYourMonies raises to $0.75 GWCGWC folds fonkosh8390 folds teamonkey73 raises to $3 (I have a hand) welho85 has 15 seconds left to act welho85 folds Lucky1Phil folds NeedYourMonies raises to $9 teamonkey73 has 15 seconds left to act teamonkey73 calls In the first he puts you on aces and maybe kings. In the second he puts you any pair, maybe AK, AQ, Maybe and ace if he thinks you are bad, and maybe suited connectors if he thinks you are good. In the first hand, unless he is Italian, he pretty much never pays you off with a worse hand, in the second he often does. And it doesn't make a difference if it is cash or MTTs, most bad moves in cash are bad moves in MTTs too. |