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The Ichtyologist
15 Jan 10 18:11
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On the bubble, 3 seats awarded. I clawed my way through this thing in traditional sat style up until this point. I figured the guy to my right, who I know is a bit loose, would hang himself in some way. Then the following happened...

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FullTiltPoker Game #17608869950: Super Sat to FTOPS Event #14 (132498891),
Table 2 - 800/1,600 Ante 150 - Limit Stud H/L - 23:00:46 ET - 2010/01/14


Seat 3: DrDragon483 (14,582)

Seat 4: MattyDaCobra (5,618)

Seat 5: XXTHEILLNESSXX (8,470)

Seat 6: Ichtyology (7,330)

DrDragon483 antes 150

MattyDaCobra antes 150

XXTHEILLNESSXX antes 150

Ichtyology antes 150

*** 3RD STREET ***

Dealt to DrDragon483 [Kc]

Dealt to MattyDaCobra [9h]

Dealt to XXTHEILLNESSXX [7d]

Dealt to Ichtyology [5s 6s] [3h]

Ichtyology is low with [3h]

Ichtyology brings in for 250

DrDragon483 completes it to 800

MattyDaCobra folds

XXTHEILLNESSXX folds

Ichtyology calls 550

*** 4TH STREET ***

Dealt to DrDragon483 [Kc] [As]

Dealt to Ichtyology [5s 6s 3h] [3c]

Ichtyology bets 800

DrDragon483 calls 800

*** 5TH STREET ***

Dealt to DrDragon483 [Kc As] [4s]

Dealt to Ichtyology [5s 6s 3h 3c] [2h]

Ichtyology checks

DrDragon483 bets 1,600

Ichtyology calls 1,600

*** 6TH STREET ***

Dealt to DrDragon483 [Kc As 4s] [3d]

Dealt to Ichtyology [5s 6s 3h 3c 2h] [5h]

Ichtyology checks

DrDragon483 checks
***
7TH STREET ***

Dealt to Ichtyology [5s 6s 3h 3c 2h 5h] [2d]

Ichtyology checks

DrDragon483 bets 1,600

Ichtyology calls 1,600

*** SHOW DOWN ***

DrDragon483 shows [Kh Qd Kc As 4s 3d 3s] two pair, Kings and Threes, for high

Ichtyology mucks

DrDragon483 wins the pot (10,200) with two pair, Kings and Threes

No low hand qualified

*** SUMMARY ***
Duration 57s

Total pot 10,200 | Rake 0
Seat 3: DrDragon483 showed [Kh Qd Kc As 4s 3d 3s] and won (10,200) with HI: two pair, Kings

and Threes

Seat 4: MattyDaCobra folded on 3rd St.

Seat 5: XXTHEILLNESSXX folded on 3rd St.

Seat 6: Ichtyology mucked [6s 5s 3h 3c 2h 5h 2d] - HI: two pair, Fives and Threes

This was HORSE by the way. The stud h/l round had just started. Should have just folded on 3rd? And what's the best way to approach this situation in general, given the inherent ambiguity relating to stud h/l starting hands?
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Report JPJ January 16, 2010 6:09 PM GMT
Standard hand really, but look at where you could have saved ***** *****money saved is money won.

Check 4th street, he will check behind.
You may then even get 5th 6th and 7th streets without a bet as your board looks dangerous and he will want to get to showdown cheapish.

As played, fold river for definite.

.....................

And do not fold 3rd street because these are the sort of hands that can scoop decent pots when a poor player plays a big pair in hi/lo.

:)
Report The Ichtyologist January 16, 2010 7:10 PM GMT
Thanks JPJ!

Out of interest, what's your general approach to playing big pairs? In my experience they just don't play well, particularly at an active table where multiple players will find all sorts of reasons to stick around. I'll just bin [K-x]-K most of the time except for in very specific circumstances such as heads up against the bring-in, or when other door cards don't look too threatening.

I imagine decent players would find ways to play these as part of a balanced and profitable strategy, but I'm just not comfortable playing them. Any thoughts?
Report JPJ January 16, 2010 9:32 PM GMT
I bin most of them too mate unless otherwise as you've stated. Big pairs are a massive leak in hi/lo stud. Players feel they have the same power as they do in Stud Hi but they only ever play well heads up. If you folded every big Pair (not including Aces of course) then you would probably save money long term. :)

Hope you enjoy this game, it is very enjoyable and if played well you can have a decent edge over most opponents.

:)
Report The Ichtyologist January 16, 2010 9:38 PM GMT
Thanks for the input. Yes, I like this game a lot, no better feeling than scooping a big one!

Don't know why this thread posted twice though. If you scroll down you'll find the same thread with replies similar to your own from escapee.

Thanks again, gl!
Report JPJ January 16, 2010 9:41 PM GMT
Just seen mate.

He gives good advice, sorry to duplicate. :)
Report The Ichtyologist January 16, 2010 9:46 PM GMT
No problem, the consistency makes it all the more convincing :)
Report The Ichtyologist January 16, 2010 10:31 PM GMT
Thought I'd share this, these guys thought it was still razz :)

Table 2 - 50/100 Ante 10 - Limit Stud Hi - 18:16:14 ET - 2010/01/16
Seat 1: RANDYPLAYSAK (2,357)
Seat 2: Angel_Dust15 (634)
Seat 3: dwy621 (460)
Seat 4: Jerry Povich (771)
Seat 5: junky621 (1,751)
Seat 6: kicKyourRAZz (2,141)
Seat 7: Ichtyology (1,065)
Seat 8: missyr8461 (2,861)
RANDYPLAYSAK antes 10
Angel_Dust15 antes 10
dwy621 antes 10
Jerry Povich antes 10
junky621 antes 10
kicKyourRAZz antes 10
Ichtyology antes 10
missyr8461 antes 10
*** 3RD STREET ***
Dealt to RANDYPLAYSAK [Ad]
Dealt to Angel_Dust15 [2c]
Dealt to dwy621 [3h]
Dealt to Jerry Povich [5c]
Dealt to junky621 [9s]
Dealt to kicKyourRAZz [8s]
Dealt to Ichtyology [Ah 6c] [Ac]
Dealt to missyr8461 [5h]
Angel_Dust15 is low with [2c]
Angel_Dust15 completes it to 50
dwy621 has 15 seconds left to act
dwy621 calls 50
Jerry Povich folds
junky621 calls 50
kicKyourRAZz folds
Ichtyology raises to 100
missyr8461 folds
RANDYPLAYSAK folds
Angel_Dust15 raises to 150
dwy621 calls 100
junky621 calls 100
Ichtyology raises to 200
Angel_Dust15 calls 50
dwy621 calls 50
junky621 calls 50
*** 4TH STREET ***
Dealt to Angel_Dust15 [2c] [5s]
Dealt to dwy621 [3h] [Ts]
Dealt to junky621 [9s] [Qd]
Dealt to Ichtyology [Ah 6c Ac] [As]
Ichtyology bets 100
Angel_Dust15 raises to 200
dwy621 calls 200
junky621 folds
Ichtyology raises to 300
Angel_Dust15 raises to 400
dwy621 calls 50, and is all in
Ichtyology calls 100
*** 5TH STREET ***
Dealt to Angel_Dust15 [2c 5s] [6h]
Dealt to dwy621 [3h Ts] [2s]
Dealt to Ichtyology [Ah 6c Ac As] [2d]
Ichtyology bets 100
Angel_Dust15 calls 24, and is all in
Ichtyology shows [Ah 6c Ac As 2d]
Angel_Dust15 shows [4s 9d 2c 5s 6h]
dwy621 shows [4d 7h 3h Ts 2s]
Uncalled bet of 76 returned to Ichtyology
*** 6TH STREET ***
Dealt to Angel_Dust15 [4s 9d 2c 5s 6h] [7d]
Dealt to dwy621 [4d 7h 3h Ts 2s] [5d]
Dealt to Ichtyology [Ah 6c Ac As 2d] [9h]
*** 7TH STREET ***
Dealt to Angel_Dust15 [4s 9d 2c 5s 6h 7d] [8c]
Dealt to dwy621 [4d 7h 3h Ts 2s 5d] [7c]
Dealt to Ichtyology [Ah 6c Ac As 2d 9h] [Tc]
Ichtyology shows [Ah 6c Ac As 2d 9h Tc] three of a kind, Aces
Angel_Dust15 shows [4s 9d 2c 5s 6h 7d 8c] a straight, Nine high
Angel_Dust15 wins the side pot (348) with a straight, Nine high
dwy621 shows [4d 7h 3h Ts 2s 5d 7c] a pair of Sevens
Angel_Dust15 wins the main pot (1,630) with a straight, Nine high
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1,978 Main pot 1,630. Side pot 348. | R ake 0
Seat 1: RANDYPLAYSAK folded on 3rd St.
Seat 2: Angel_Dust15 showed [4s 9d 2c 5s 6h 7d 8c] and won (1,978) with a straight, Nine high
Seat 3: dwy621 showed [4d 7h 3h Ts 2s 5d 7c] and lost with a pair of Sevens
Seat 4: Jerry Povich folded on 3rd St.
Seat 5: junky621 folded on 4th St.
Seat 6: kicKyourRAZz folded on 3rd St.
Seat 7: Ichtyology showed [Ah 6c Ac As 2d 9h Tc] and lost with three of a kind, Aces
Seat 8: missyr8461 folded on 3rd St.
Report JPJ January 16, 2010 10:39 PM GMT
Happens a lot in Horse :) :)
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