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Seriously, are these completely and utterly off their rocker. How can they expect such as loss making company to give them pay rises when they already get double of some of their "better" rivals.
I would seriously look at my options of sacking every single one who went on strike and just bring in new hires on less cash at a lower age. While not wishing to offend any flight staff I cant imagine it takes years and years of training to be qualified to do the job.
I would seriously look at my options of sacking every single one who went on strike and just bring in new hires on less cash at a lower age. While not wishing to offend any flight staff I cant imagine it takes years and years of training to be qualified to do the job.
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I was thinking similar Soap, I've a friend who works for Thompson and think she started on about 14k and was fully qualified within about 3 months.
But everyone should be entitled to a cost of living pay rise at least?! |
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I seriously doubt the cost of living had gone up this year.
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not if the business is losing money tank.
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especially for anyone who has taken advantage of lower VAT rates for larger occassional capital purchasers, where the prices are at the lowest they have been for some time in certain industries such as a new motor.
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BA trying to cut costs .. reducing cabin crew from 15 to 14 .. get the impression this is part of the cause for the dispute
biggest airline catastrophe looming since the luftwaffe |
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out with the oldies making the noises, in with the yoof would be my business plan :D
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BA trying to bring in trainees on lower starting pay another reason for strike
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From what was said, the union seemed to have offered a pay cut over 2 years matching the one pilots took, but refused to accept 14 staff instead of 15 on longhaul flights.
But they lose any goodwill from the paycut gesture by completely fin people over at christmas. Really beggars belief that they could do that at this time. And seriously the company has clearly lost fortunes over the last two years and some drastic action on costs is clearly necessary. |
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I would run flights and bring in uni students who need xmas funds.
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Would snap their hands of if give them 30K per annum for 3 weeks graft.
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BA lost £1,600,000 every day last year ... before tax!
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BA are one of those airlines to avoid travelling with unless you ahve to. Their European routes are a bit cheaper than they used to be but still cost too much but their non-European routes are crazy prices.
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All i want to know is whether they are still gona have a sale in january so i can buy cheap flights to vegas in may/june.
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uh no way james. you ever flown long haul?
BA one of the top business class offerings. I've flown malaysian, ba, quantas and singapore in b/c and BA are the best of the lot by a mile. |
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Why would you possibly want to travel with them over Virgin?
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Virgin is far better for less cash Dibs
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BA isn't terrible, but I prefer Virgin too FWIW. Though my business class experience is pretty limited.
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virgin don't do as many routes mate.
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Just booked a flight with them today. not used them in years. In fact last fifty plus flights I have not used them once. I will be interested to see how they are nowadays, I stopped using them as they upset me a few times
Flight number BA0157 From Heathrow (London) Terminal 5 To Kuwait Depart 2 Apr 2010 22:25 Arrive 3 Apr 2010 06:30 Class First Operated by British Airways Booking status Confirmed Flight number BA0156 From Kuwait To Heathrow (London) Depart 23 Apr 2010 08:25 Arrive 23 Apr 2010 12:55 Class First Operated by British Airways Booking status Confirmed |
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so that choice isn't always available
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I should correct myself as strictly speaking Virgin have no business class and only 1st class, however is correct to compare Virgin 1st v BA business from a price perspective as very similar.
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Indeed Dibble, they do the Vegas route though ;) !!!
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Virgin still have three classes. Upper economy can be compared to business class can it not? I believe british airways may even have four classes.
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Yes BA have 4 but 1st is fortune. Price wise they are comparable economy v economy, premium v premium and BA business v Virgin 1st.
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I don't travel in first class; all I know is that in standard class you get shocking service coupled with high prices.
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lol indeed but i generally don't fly to vegas direct. i go via dallas to meet friends. just saying that BA are a maligned airline but i have never had anything other than excellent service.
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I am going first class but its paid for by someone else. Not been first class on virgin but virgin is meant to be amazing. With a bar and beds.
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I think they are fine also, just saying I much prefer Virgin.
This year I flew to Hong Kong (on route to Macau) and booked premium with BA and they gave me upgrade to business in both directions so postive experience. |
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ba has always been decent for me to be fair
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How comes soap, frequent flier? Sometimes they have to upgrade just because they are overbooked!
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Yes I think they were overbooked and indeed I have a frequent flyer card but I don't use them that much so unsure of selection process.
FWIW here is Virgin 1st that often has great offers on - pretty sure Pirus mentioned he had got flights last few years for less than £1500 return to Vegas. http://www.virgin-atlantic.com/en/gb/whatsonboard/upperclass/index.jsp |
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I can vouch for Virgin upper class, loved the way you even got your own set of pyjamas, but suspect that thoise new Singapore Suites may be way better.
And the bar thing on virgin kind of clashes with the bed thing. And I certainly wouldn't book the seats next to it. |
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But everyone should be entitled to a cost of living pay rise at least?!
LOL. In the middle of the biggest recession for 60 years? Plenty of people around the world have taken pay cuts in the last 12 months, either straight off their pay packet, or by becoming unemployed. The only way company could consider a pay increase now would be if they were making a profit, seeing improved efficiency and/or the market rate for the job was way below par. Fail on all 3 for BA at the moment I think. |
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I flew to Oz recently on a new A380 with Emirates which was pretty awesome flight experience also. Also quite bizarre you can do toon to Oz in 1 stop and i struggle to get to Frankfurt with work in 1 stop sometimes !!!
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Maybe one day I can afford virgin upper class myself! I have loads of airmiles to use still.
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I only paid around £50 over premium economy return to go premium economy and come back upper class from New York. I'd recommend always checking for offers.
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I think if crew members are being cut it is fair to strike. You are looking at experienced crews being phased out and reduced in size which is actually a safety issue. Would you rather have an experienced crew of 16 or a crew of 15 when half have little experience and a few are being trained. As it is the time crews have to rest between return flights has been reduced by 1 or 2 days to some destinations.
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Think I seen on news that KLM operates same size flights with 13
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Ah but KLM is pretty grim from memory. ;)
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