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I got to the final table of an omaha hilo tournament this week, probably for the first time ever, if anyone thinks this a brag.
Anyway, I haven't really got a clueon the value of hands and have just been getting aggressive late on like I would in a hold em tournament.
It is 9 handed and it is folded round to me in the SB. I think I probably massacred this hand, but that may be just results orientated thinking.
I have 22500 ***** BB has 31500, blinds are 500/1000 and there are maybe 2 behind me on ***** I am dealt As8s5s4d. I limp call 3000 pre flop. Is this a hand I should be playing aggro blind vs blind and trying to get in as much as possible pre?
Flop came 2s2c8c. Am I looking to get it all in on this hand? I was planning to check raise, but he bet only 3200 which I thought was odd and confused me a bit. So I just called.
The turn came 5h and I checked, and he bet 6000. At this point I thought I probably had at least one of the high and low, and maybe both, so just called to trap.
The turn came a 9c which I kind of hated and made me think I wish I had just got it in on the turn. I checked and he bet 10K, which covered my last 9500. I really hated it and had a really bad feeling, but still called as it was 9500 in to 35000 and folding the 2nd nut low and maybe a high seemed so weak.
Anyway he flips over A367 for the nut low and the rivered straight.
So have I really massacred this or is this just a bit of a cooler blind on blind with 22 BBs?
FWIW I was really worried about the flush at the end and didn't even think about the straight!
Anyway, I haven't really got a clueon the value of hands and have just been getting aggressive late on like I would in a hold em tournament.
It is 9 handed and it is folded round to me in the SB. I think I probably massacred this hand, but that may be just results orientated thinking.
I have 22500 ***** BB has 31500, blinds are 500/1000 and there are maybe 2 behind me on ***** I am dealt As8s5s4d. I limp call 3000 pre flop. Is this a hand I should be playing aggro blind vs blind and trying to get in as much as possible pre?
Flop came 2s2c8c. Am I looking to get it all in on this hand? I was planning to check raise, but he bet only 3200 which I thought was odd and confused me a bit. So I just called.
The turn came 5h and I checked, and he bet 6000. At this point I thought I probably had at least one of the high and low, and maybe both, so just called to trap.
The turn came a 9c which I kind of hated and made me think I wish I had just got it in on the turn. I checked and he bet 10K, which covered my last 9500. I really hated it and had a really bad feeling, but still called as it was 9500 in to 35000 and folding the 2nd nut low and maybe a high seemed so weak.
Anyway he flips over A367 for the nut low and the rivered straight.
So have I really massacred this or is this just a bit of a cooler blind on blind with 22 BBs?
FWIW I was really worried about the flush at the end and didn't even think about the straight!
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22BBs is quite a good stack at the business end of a hilo mtt.
He's probably not folding the turn whatever you bet. Preflop aggression depends on what you have seen the BB play before, although someone raised as you called 3k pre, right? The 22 is the killer there, it puts you behind AA, A2 and A3, which are likely raise hands, meaning you need a 3 to come on the turn or river to seriously improve your equity. And you are out of position. You would have been better binning it in the face of the aggression, because you were not holding either a nut lo or a nut hi. |
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and just as i posted my reply, I get this. I hit a decent flop and made sure I was up against more than 1 other. Didn't like the river much, but chances of them having an 8 with a wheel card was quite slim
ilt Poker Game #16721662818: $11 + $1 Sit & Go (Turbo) (124340870), Table 1 - 20/40 - Pot Limit Omaha H/L - 18:09:48 ET - 2009/12/11 Seat 1: busdecks (2,310) Seat 2: kingKhaka (610) Seat 3: BordeauxMan (1,860) Seat 4: llslimjames (1,430) Seat 5: electric chair (1,080) Seat 6: MR SINCERE (1,250) Seat 7: Sual1 (1,440) Seat 8: twiceontuesday (2,000) Seat 9: tamcat61 (1,520) MR SINCERE posts the small blind of 20 Sual1 posts the big blind of 40 The button is in seat #5 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to electric chair [4d 5d As Ts] twiceontuesday folds tamcat61 calls 40 busdecks has 15 seconds left to act busdecks calls 40 kingKhaka folds BordeauxMan folds llslimjames folds electric chair calls 40 MR SINCERE calls 20 Sual1 checks *** FLOP *** [3c 7s 6s] MR SINCERE checks Sual1 checks tamcat61 bets 40 busdecks calls 40 electric chair raises to 200 MR SINCERE folds Sual1 calls 200 tamcat61 calls 160 busdecks folds *** TURN *** [3c 7s 6s] [Qh] Sual1 checks tamcat61 bets 40 electric chair raises to 840, and is all in Sual1 calls 840 tamcat61 calls 800 *** RIVER *** [3c 7s 6s Qh] [4c] Sual1 checks tamcat61 has 15 seconds left to act tamcat61 bets 440, and is all in Sual1 calls 360, and is all in Uncalled bet of 80 returned to tamcat61 *** SHOW DOWN *** tamcat61 shows [2c Kc Qd Ah] a pair of Queens, for high and 6,4,3,2,A, for low Sual1 shows [Jh 2s Ac 8s] Ace Queen high, for high and 6,4,3,2,A, for low tamcat61 wins the high side pot (360) with a pair of Queens Sual1 ties for the low side pot (180) with 6,4,3,2,A tamcat61 ties for the low side pot (180) with 6,4,3,2,A electric chair shows [4d 5d As Ts] a straight, Seven high, for high and 6,5,4,3,A, for low electric chair wins the high main pot (1,680) with a straight, Seven high Sual1 ties for the low main pot (840) with 6,4,3,2,A tamcat61 ties for the low main pot (840) with 6,4,3,2,A |
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thinkly disguised i went deep in a multi i did fred imvhaco
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I was thinking more because it was blind on blind that I shouldn't really worry about the nuts. I have worked out that A3 isn't a winning hand that often 9 handed, but effectively heads up is different?
But having barely played 10 hi/lo multis ever, then I simply don't have enough experience to know where I really am in marginal hands. Though maybe I was the only one at the table who was raising with TT98 in unraised pots? And hence assuming he raises a much wider range than AA, A2 and A3 after I limp the SB is an error?? |
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Difficult to put hard rules on this, but in a full ring game a bad lo tends to get me in trouble more often that it pays out. Even if you are blind on blind.
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lol, most embarassing post i have ever seen here.
In fact, i met a hooker, known drug taker, and thief, recently, i will ask her shortly |
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really tough spot but i think you should be getting away from it on the flop.
a458 is potentially great but also easily crushed. at this stage you want to be seeing a flop, limp calling is fine. even h/u the flop is bad for you. he has raised usually this will mean he has aa a2 a3 kind of hands, certainly he can represent these hands. the big mistake youve made is thinking you have shot at the high once the flop has come. at best youre drawing to a 3,8 or hoping he misses 3/4 of the deck. what hand can he hold that wont catch up with your 8s and 2s, if youre not already behind or drawing dead to the high. you say you think youve got atleast the high or low, id say the reverse, youve lost atleast the high or low. it is very player dependant how id play this hand but you have plenty of bbs left so id fold the flop or play to win it without going to showdown cos you aint scooping 90% of the time. |
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very good reply rowland
many people make the mistake in hilo of thinking well i got the hi or the low here. rowland got it exactly right when he says you should be thinking the other way. if you reverse your thought process you are now putting in possibly your last 15k hoping to win 6200 (half the pot as it currently stands). also you dont have a lock either way. look to play hilo hands that can scoop. if you can only get half the pot make sure its a nut hand or you could end up with zip. even then dont overplay the bare nut low because getting quartered at this stage of an mtt can be almost as fatal. if you say you were the only person on the table raisig with 89tt yet you limp call blind on blind with a45x i would wonder how the hell you made the final though ;) |
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Midasgod sums it up as usual :)
The only thing i will add is that with 23bbs i like your pre flop play, simply because most players play bad post flop in hi/lo. Two decent hands blind on blind is a little unlucky, but given your pre flop limp/call then you can definitely fold the flop. :) |
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Oh.
And well done anyway mate :) (Tis a great game) |