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Hi,
here's my problem.
I play poker for a year are 3 now (micro)
85 % plo
i played on pkr coolhand mansion and here
now everywhere i played i am a winning player on mtt and sit and go
but when i try cash i ame lost i have a winning session once and a while but i am negative on cash overall.
i read everywhere that cash and tournament play is different
tournament is donk cash is wow
so be it i am a donk :)
but what do i read are site to go to to become a winning cash player ???????
but 1 question to all you cash wizards over here
should you play more loose pref flop in cash to hit a good flop and hope you get payed of are do you play tighter hoping to make good valleu on your best hands.
what's the best strategy in the long run
here's my problem.
I play poker for a year are 3 now (micro)
85 % plo
i played on pkr coolhand mansion and here
now everywhere i played i am a winning player on mtt and sit and go
but when i try cash i ame lost i have a winning session once and a while but i am negative on cash overall.
i read everywhere that cash and tournament play is different
tournament is donk cash is wow
so be it i am a donk :)
but what do i read are site to go to to become a winning cash player ???????
but 1 question to all you cash wizards over here
should you play more loose pref flop in cash to hit a good flop and hope you get payed of are do you play tighter hoping to make good valleu on your best hands.
what's the best strategy in the long run
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at miccrostakes there is no poker strategy.... u sit with 2 dollars and hope to double it....
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he i play $5 ;)
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well if u sit with 5 dollars what kind of strategy do u want aginst most 5 dollar players??? even phil ivey couldnt make money at that level unless luck is on his side... COINFLIPDONKFEST.... hth
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ferguson did it
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plz dont believe everything u see on telly, to turn 5$ into anything worth talking about would take years... and then only if your very lucky.. at that level most people are just gambling... u cannot call it poker...
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"even phil ivey couldnt make money at that level unless luck is on his side... COINFLIPDONKFEST.... hth"
The old great player could win against good players but not against donks fallacy. Very similar to the "I can't win at $0.05/$0.10 because my game is more suited to $1/$2" fallacy. |
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Go to a training site and download some cash vids. Deuces Cracked is decent, and I think you can get free membership for a few days.
They have a series called "babysteps" which sounds crap, but if you are good at sit and go's but can't crack the cash game, I think you'll find it invaluable.This series will turn you into a winning micro-stakes cash player. |
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Most guys who can make profit in tournament play but cannot make profit in cash play in general need to work on their post-flop play. Alot of MTT's need strong pre-flop play. Cash is usually about post-flop play. IMHO. If you analyse cash game losers who are mtt winners they usually cannot throw away beaten strong hands ie 2 pair, Top pair/topkicker type hands that are beaten in these cash games.
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Loose = good in tournies
Loose = terrible in cash Basically. |
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Csah games are about money the less you can afford to play the tighter you become and the less chances you take. A guy sitting at a table that is below his bank ability will generally play with less fear.
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thanks al for the valuable advice
definitely going to watch that baby steps video |
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The Calculator 09 Dec 07:53
"even phil ivey couldnt make money at that level unless luck is on his side... COINFLIPDONKFEST.... hth" The old great player could win against good players but not against donks fallacy. Very similar to the "I can't win at $0.05/$0.10 because my game is more suited to $1/$2" fallacy. If u honestly think playing a 5cent cash game is simalar to a nl200 cash game u have serious problems.... someone who sits down with 5 dollars is hardly going to be bothered about playing real poker.... for example if you put a player all in for 5 dollars and he has top pair he will prob think fck it i may as well call its only 5 dolls.... u put a player all in for 200+ and it becomes a much harder decision |
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"If u honestly think playing a 5cent cash game is simalar to a nl200 cash game u have serious problems"
Did I say that? I am of the opinion that Phil Ivey would have no problem making a profit at the $0.05/$0.10 level. If you think he couldn't, then perhaps it's you who may have serious problems. |
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did i ever say phil ivey or any other pro could not make money at 5 cent level????????????????
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without luck on there side?
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at that level u r mainly gambling, u could grind up a bankroll but it would be a hard slog.....
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hmmm
i play poker for fun not for the money i have a good job for that so for me its a hobby i could affort to play higher stake's but why ? would i have more fun ?? no i would even be worried about loosing the money instead of loosing the game don't get me wrong it ant so that i don't care i want to WIN just like a soccer player who play for fun still wants to win not for the money but for the honour of winning now i played slyghtly higher buy ins i sorry but i dint noticed better players contrary you meet worse players whit a bigger ego who think the have to play that level if i play here the mtt plo $5 you have like 25 % idiots (that's the adad money :) ) but hel yeah thrre are a lot of regular player the shure know what the are doing |
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but looks like i ame already improving :) (are been lucky :) )
played 2 mtt and 2 sit and go's dint cash but won the buy ins back in cash |
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"at that level u r mainly gambling, u could grind up a bankroll but it would be a hard slog....."
Sorry, not meaning to be a pain here ;o) - but at that level it's much easierto build up a bankroll - than at higher levels. Simply because you have so many bad players. As you move up the levels you get more better players - that makes it harder. If other players are mainly gambling by making it an all-in fest, it's the easiest way to make money, and not a hard slog at all.Just a case of hand selection. |
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i am already happy when i just play even
so it's fun for freeeeeeeeee :) |
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The Calculator 10 Dec 10:56
"at that level u r mainly gambling, u could grind up a bankroll but it would be a hard slog....." Sorry, not meaning to be a pain here ;o) - but at that level it's much easierto build up a bankroll - than at higher levels. Simply because you have so many bad players. As you move up the levels you get more better players - that makes it harder. If other players are mainly gambling by making it an all-in fest, it's the easiest way to make money, and not a hard slog at all.Just a case of hand selection. Sigh.... |
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"Sigh"
Thanks for the constructive comment. |
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When I said it's easier to build up a bankroll, I didn't imply make more money - because obviously good players at $10/$20 will make more money than at $0.05/$0.10 - and if I thought otherwise that would make me stupid...
However, it's a hell of a lot easier to move from $0.05/$0.10 to $0.10/$0.20 than it is to move from $10/20 to $20/$40. |
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The Sigh was for the bit about better players would do better at this level. They wouldn't.
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So a good player would find $0.05/$0.10 more difficult than $1/$2?
I find that ridiculous tbh. |
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calculator..... what stakes cash do u play please? just out of curiosity......
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Right so let me get this straight.
Players that have spent years building their rolls, learning the game and crushing various stake levels and now play $50/$100 - $500/$1000 suddenly become losing players if they dare to sit on a micro stales table vs a group of donks? :^0 |
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I play micro-stakes cash, but mainly STT's on Stars - where I generally 5-table.
Answer this question for me o o o o o man - Phil Ivey walks into a room, and is given the chance to win $50 million dollars. All he has to do is have a winning session. On one table sits a group of micro-limit $0.05/$0.10 donks. On another sits a group of high-stakes cash players. By your reckoning he would take on the high stakes cash players???? |
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to be honest i think he would sit with the people he knows he can beat... i could sit at 5 dollar tables all day long and coinflip stacks, maybe i win maybe i lose but i sure aint playing poker....
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Why would you sit and coin-flip stacks? - using good starting hand requirements and getting it in ahead is a tactic that I tend to use.
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my dear friend u are taking it out of context here.... if u can make money playing 5 dollar cash games good luck to you.. my opinion is that at that level most players either cant play.. dont care... or are happy to flip there stack with top pair etc.... this is not a true game of poker as u would get at a level where the amount of money means something... plz get together 500 and sit at a 2 5 game and tell me its the same game plz....
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I know it's not the same game - they are miles apart in terms of ability.
And I have no intention of taking $500 to a table - firstly it's way out of my bankroll, and I'm happy playing at a level I know I can beat - and it provides a regular income. Look, poker players make money in two ways. One, their opponents make mistakes, and secondly, being able to exploit these mistakes. Good poker players are able to do this very well. So the more mistakes that happen at a table, the easier it will be for the good player. Where will a good player find the most mistakes - at a $1/$2 table or a $0.05/$0.10 table? I think it's pretty obvious that there will be more mistakes at the lower stake table. And if players are shoving/flipping/limping at the lower stakes table, I think a good player would have the tools to handle this. |
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well tyvm for the poker lesson.... i think i will have to start playing 5 cent tables as there are so many mistakes being made there it will be profitable for me.... you are a prime example of a low stakes player who thinks he knows it all because he can make a profit at a game most people who understand the game wouldnt bother with.....
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"you are a prime example of a low stakes player who thinks he knows it all because he can make a profit at a game most people who understand the game wouldnt bother with....."
Wrong. I'm a prime example of a player who knows there are many players who know a lot more than me - and by playing stakes I know I can beat, hopefully I'll learn more, improve and eventually move up the stakes. And you'll probably find that most people who understand the game, did BOTHER making a profit at these games. |
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ok how long have u been playing these levels.......
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CALC - do you think there is sufficient effort / reward at the level you suggest. I'd compare it to a punter reading the form for hours then staking a £1.50 double. I couldnt be rsed frankly
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Depends what you want from the game yer ma.
Frankly, I don't think I'd have the bottle to play with $50/$100 at a table. I have a family, two kids and a mortgage - so right now I'm happy playing for small stakes, and winning. Of course I'd like to have a day where I won $500 - but to balance that, losing $500 in a day would be heartbreaking. So I'm kinda comfortable where I am. And to be honest, I just love playing. |
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calculator fair play to you.... you are a recreational player who makes a few pound on the side playing low stakes poker, it is good u dont jump stakes and gamble with money you dont feel comfy with..... but to give advice to players who play all day every day at levels way higher is ridiculous, i will say again... u could make money at 5 cent tables but you are NOT playing true poker....gl 2u
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ok how long have u been playing these levels.......
I took up the cash game around a year ago. And I've been playing micros since then - started at 5NL and am around 5 buy-ins short of moving up to 25NL. Not sure why that is relevant though.... |