Would anyone else want to mutilate this German Scumbag? - EPT Barcelona

oh come on, rollie comes out of it worse on so many levels.

Roland nailed it on the head. He showed a king, other guy sees this, yet holds out like a true german cnut to hope roland mucks, then gets in rolands face and gives it the big rubdown. That aint poker thats for sure.

"best hand should win"

wp**y German c8nt, amateur nite from RDW

Why doesnt he just show both cards, like he is repeatedly asked to, the nobber.

if hes willing to show the king to prove k high then we know the other card is 5hit just show it.

LOL @ 1.35

The fact he rubs it in after is pretty low, don't think i'd be able to contain myself after that.

Yes the german should be shot in the face but RDW deserves to get turned over in a way, why can't he just throw both cards on their backs?

De wolfe made a schoolboy error, everybody makes them once in a while. The other guy acts like a complete cnut, which is most likely in line with his normal behaviour if he feels to rub down after that.

**bag plays poker shocker!

Simon, I agree the Geman is the lowest of the low and really should be beaten to death but once he wouldn't show his cards when RDW showed the king it looked suspicious and RDW has been round long enough to know better.

To be fair roland is angle shooting to, hes been called down but trying to not show his hand.
But i agree best hand should win,i would like to see a rule implimented that all hands that go to show down should be shown.It would stop alot of B.S.and time wasting.

De Wolfe got what he deserved and the**celebrated the play of a lifetime. What's wrong with that? If people must fistpump then surely that was an occasion that merited it.

Slimfast.

Why would he fistpump the 'Play of a lifetime' when he got his read wrong? You do realise he called with Queen High and was beat by Rolands King High? :^0

We discussed this before, Roland should have turned his hand over and pretty much got what he deserved........But to celebrate a 'great play' when you have made the wrong read and won the pot by 'Default' (ish) speaks volumes.

:) :)

JPJ
You do realise he managed to win the pot with the worse hand at showdown time.
That is a great play. I take it you don't play much live poker.

I take it you don't play much live poker.

lol

Don't want to tread on anyone's toes but bluffing someone out of a pot with the worst hand AFTER THE SHOWDOWN is quite a feat......... something I have NEVER managed to do online. :/

The river check call was appalling but the Roland guy definitely mucked his hand, convinced he was behind.

he said he check called because he put roland on a busted baby flush draw.

as for the final incident, first time i saw it i thought it was very harsh on wolfe but then after a while i have decided it is his own thick fault for trying to be 'clever' in not showing what he had (and in doing so trying to get around standard rules himself) as he thought he was beat


all in all the thick fu.ck got what he deserved imo

JPJ is an internet donk, never set foot in a casino for a hand of live poker in his life :D :D :D

Good read Slimfast mate ;)

About as good as your read of this hand.

So you play live and you're seriously telling me this isn't a good play? Give up mate.

Do you seriously think it's a good play calling with what was shown to be the worst hand?

You do realise, as i said, he won the hand by default, not by the strength of his hand, but by the fact he was the last player holding 'Live cards'.

If you think calling with the worst hand is a winning play then i suggest it is perhaps you that should give up.

:) :)

Sigh... I'll try and explain this very simply. Read carefully.
The fact he made a speculative call with queen high is neither here nor there. Why anyone would think this is relevant i do not know.
The great play consists in arriving at showdown, being actually shown that he is behind and instead of giving up on the pot (as you or i would do) finding a way, through quick thinking and shrewd psychology, to win the pot. On top of which, he has Roland thinking that he's the one getting an advantage by mucking his hand. It is sheer Fkking genius.
Or maybe you know of other occasions where someone has won the pot at showdown with the worst hand? Do you understand now?

it's relevant 'cos every other time in his entire life he'll lose there.

and LOL at giving JPJ advice. best player on this forum imo

Now he will, but at the time he didn't. That's why it's a once in a lifetime play.
And i'm not giving anyone advice. I'm explaining a point to somebody who clearly has problems grasping simple concepts. Is this the windowlickers forum or what?

this could be fun ;)

The kid claimed he called not because he thought he was good but because roland had been mucking instead of showing, so its not as simple as he called with worse hand.

should the dealer be turning over RDW's cards if he mucks them ?

FFsmd 29 Nov 19:01
The kid claimed he called not because he thought he was good but because roland had been mucking instead of showing, so its not as simple as he called with worse hand.

That would make it even more impressive if true.

that's Dr Windowlicker to you fat-boy ;)

lol, ok Doc

At first I thought what a**bag play and the bratwurst deserves a face-shooting.

But in all honesty, it's RDW's own making and I think he knows that. He could have come out of it looking so good and make his oppo look a right chump, but he ballsed up.

Poker is a game of deception afterall, so take nothing for granted and don't expect any favours from anyone. It's hardly bowls is it?

I come down on the side of the German as well, Roland is trying to get out of showing the junk he's playing and so mucks the winning hand. End of.

Agree with that ^^^^^^

Humbled Dibbs. cheers :)

Slimfast. Tonight i will try to arrive at the river, call with the worst hand, and use all my powers of skill, cunning, hpnotherapy and physcology to get my opponents to somehow fold the winning hand.
Not sure it's a long term winning play, but i'll give it a go. ;)

...........................................

FFsmd 29 Nov 19:01


The kid claimed he called not because he thought he was good but because roland had been mucking instead of showing, so its not as simple as he called with worse hand.

You're not seriously saying that he called with what he thought was the worst hand but in the hope that Roland would just muck?

:^0

so ..........



should the dealer be turning over RDW's cards if he mucks them ?

Watch the clip and he grabs RDW's cards as soon as they are mucked and turns them over. Is this correct ?

In defence of the dealer, and i'm only making an assumption. He obviously thinks that the German is demanding to see Rolands hand because he has called. Every player has this right even though 'we' all know it isn't good etiquette to request to see what we believe to be a losing hand. So once Roland touches the muck with his cards then he has done the dealers job for him, because any good dealer faced with someone demanding to see a faced down 'folded' hand would touch the cards with the 'muck' first, thus killing the hand, before turning them over. Roland had already done this, so the dealer may well have known that his hand was dead and was just doing what the German player was demanding. The tourni Director agreed that the hand had been killed.

Just my assumption. :)

my 2c worth - rolands fault why not just turn them both over?

having said that the other guy clearly needs to be shot in the face, just on general principles :)

JPJ, i'm not sure whether it's poker ignorance or an inability to understand English, but you clearly haven't understood any of the posts i've made. Just out of interest, other than dealer error, how many pots have you seen where the worst hand wins at showdown?

slimfast - JPJ is a total guru. I am exceptionally gifted at poker and a MASSIVE winner at the game, yet in the company of JPJ I feel like a small child stepping into the ring with MOHAMMED ALI.
Im sure you have a great deal to contribute but pls remove the anger from your head and read HIS posts.

bonjour

small *but very fat* child

Who are you calling fat Ro-land?
And i suggest you read my threads. No anger, just points which JPJ has missed.
Oh, btw, nobody likes a bumm-licker.

And if you're going to name yourself after a TV character at least spell it right.

short fat rowland

also, you mean ali nowadays right?

you seem pretty angry and clearly don't read posts or can't.
Who is this tv character anyway?

you shld try the b licking, v realxing, removes the tension.

OK, byp. Thought you were being serious for a minute.

byp

JPJ

FFsmd 29 Nov 19:01


The kid claimed he called not because he thought he was good but because roland had been mucking instead of showing, so its not as simple as he called with worse hand.

You're not seriously saying that he called with what he thought was the worst hand but in the hope that Roland would just muck?

iam not surgesting anything, just repeating what the the lad said in an interview,weather hes after timing or did in fact take this line only he knows,but his actions post river would give some credit to his claim.

It's probably something he had in mind to try if a situation like this arose. Given RDW's bluffing frequency and propensity to muck instead of show, Queen high might well have been good in that spot. And if it wasn't he could always try and get RDW to own himself, which he did. Clever play.

The truth is we will never know.

What is clear is Rowland comes out looking real bad. he clearly mucks and that's that. he then tries to weedle the pot.

It is possible this was a once in a life time incredible play but it's highly unlikely , more likely a hero call without any pre meditated hope that Rolly will muck.

If he doesn't have any pre-meditated hope that roland will muck then he's shown incredible presence of mind not to give up on the pot and to coax him into mucking. Either way i'm impressed. And yes, roland looks bad whatever way you cut it. It was his own angle-shooting that opened up the possibility in the first place.

yep, i think it's about 99-1% he's shown presence of mind that he actually considered it when calling. You can almost see it in the flicker in his fingers in the vid.

even if he is telling the truth and it was pre meditated it's akin to calling for a runner runner straight which, afterall will happen occasionally.

i think the fella did call with just the one out of getting RDW to muck. i doubt he called thinking he was infront. maybe this is his party trick?

i quite like the whole thing except for the fact it looks like quite a small pot.

if they were both allin and it happened it would be even better. of course, i know it would be unlikely to get the cards mukked then, but i think also lot less likely to get the trick played.

i think he ruined it all with the celebrations tho and like i say, the fact it looks quite a small pot makes it a bit weird to me. all in all tho, the fella thought he had a read and played on it. his read wasn't the hand, it was the likelyness of the mukk. if he was calling to try and beat with his Q then he would have mukked when he see the K surely...

if a celeb had done this to an unknown wnkr then it would probably be just a laugh for everyone. this is me working on the assumption that the trickster is unknown as i don't watch a lot of poker.

:^0 Dealem.


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