EV Street by street calculator is here!!!

what does this tool actually do?

Well he's given you a link to a nice poker calculater.


And FlopIt is a really nice bloke, so no need for the insult.


;)

richpickns 26 Nov 20:40


what does this tool actually do?


I was going to say....that's probably what everybody at Betfair had been asking themselves about Bruce.

isnt this a bit flawed because surelyt any good player will always b well under EV. because say u get in 150 with best hand and the fish keeps calling with 50 left on river when he hits and u bet he calls u win a load of EV, but then when he folds it wont calcualte any EV theother way despite having equity versus your hand. I think that makes sense to me.

if it was accurate then surely id balance out by now

Although you expect to run even over a long period the bigger your sample the more likely you are to not be running at EV.



isnt this a bit flawed because surelyt any good player will always b well under EV.

It doesn't matter if you are good or bad HEM EV simply calculates from the moment the *****went in to the moment the hand is decided.

because say u get in 150 with best hand and the fish keeps calling with 50 left on river when he hits and u bet he calls u win a load of EV, but then when he folds it wont calcualte any EV theother way despite having equity versus your hand. I think that makes sense to me.

In the above example if the fish calls on the river and wins you you don't win any EV in HEM.

Isn't this the point of Fopits post. The ansky calc is more refined, but still perhaps flawed?

The discussion seems to have gone back 2 years into the flaws of HEM?

Unless I have had too much of the other lol

and PMSL at JPJ. cute as ever.

Whether you are talking about HEM or the sklansky bucks street by street, by definition, no player good or bad will expect to run different to their expectation.

not sure if peter is agreeing or not as im pi ssed but from wot ive read every1 is under EV whiuch wud make snese as gd players dont chase to the river with incorect odds where as fish do and it doenst calcualte when fish fold the smallish bet on the river with the draw theyu were chasing when they really had 20% or more equitty. whic h means this is prety much totally pointless software except for the fect it makes u feel like u r plting really well but getting unlukcy

Peter Parkers brother 28 Nov 01:16


Whether you are talking about HEM or the sklansky bucks street by street, by definition, no player good or bad will expect to run different to their expectation.



that isnt true generally a good player wobt chase to the river with incorect odds where as a bad player would! now in theory the progamme should tell u that but players aint gonna call there last say 50 into a 300 pot with some fishy draw! the standard ev calcualtion is a pretty gd idea of how u r generally flipping if u ask me as u dont really care if fish fish to the river and suck out cause u know they will make u big cash long term

Whether you are talking about HEM or the sklansky bucks street by street, by definition, no player good or bad will expect to run different to their expectation.

This is 100% true. Look at the logic in the statement.

In your example say 2 players have 100bbs and cards are AcAh vs 7d6d

15 + 15 goes in on flop
Flop is 2dTdKh
30+30 in on turn
Turn is Ks
final 55 + 55 goes in on turn
River is 8d

In HEM your EV calc is simply that you lost 100bbs and on the turn you had 84% equity of 200bbs so you expected to get 168bbs but you lost 100bbs. If this situation occurrs over and over again, on average you expect to level out at running at EV in this situation regardless of whether or not you player the hand good or bad

The street by street calculation simply calculates EV like this:
30*77%
+60*63%
+110*84%
= 153bbs
Reflecting that you didn't always have as much equity on average in the hand than you did on the turn when the final bet went in.

Again in this situation although good players would expect to have the best of these situations they would not expect to win any more over the long run than they had equity in the hand.

Oh yeah, of course for hands which don't go to showdown these are excluded completely from the calculations of EV.

ye its all a bit confusing but still when a fish chases with terrible odds and misses without a showdown they are losing ev cause even tho they are chasing they get no EV. but still the software doesnt reallyt show how u r running cause nothing can really ever tell u how many coolers etc u r getting

id love to know what shimmy has since hes got 1mil+ hands logged

I'd love to know too but last night wine - laptop :( need to get the db out of the hard drive at some stage!

all i know is last 3 months i'm something like 120 buyins below all in ev, not joking. early in the year i ran good.

Yeah its all gravy if you make someone fold. And you'll never know the whole picture of your luck of course.

Plus people mostly only ever mention that they are below EV so it seems like everyone always runs below EV.