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From approx 1k hands i have on opponent he plays 12/8 and is straightforward multitabler
***** Hand History for Game 607863387 ***** (Betfair)
$50.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Friday, November 20, 12:09:36 ET 2009
Table Neon 198 (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Seat 1: Qweeedo ( $12.50 USD )
Seat 2: Sumpura ( $55.45 USD )
Seat 3: wsop8888 ( $23.82 USD )
Seat 4: craisedman ( $50.00 USD )
Seat 5: Chemate ( $19.44 USD )
Seat 6: 3arksdale ( $80.33 USD )
wsop8888 posts small blind [$0.25 USD].
craisedman posts big blind [$0.50 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to 3arksdale [ Ks Kd ]
Chemate folds
3arksdale calls [$0.50 USD]
Qweeedo calls [$0.50 USD]
Sumpura raises [$3.00 USD]
wsop8888 folds
craisedman folds
3arksdale raises [$8.00 USD]
Qweeedo folds
Sumpura raises [$52.45 USD]
3arksdale calls [$46.95 USD]
Sumpura shows [As, Ah ]
3arksdale shows [Ks, Kd ]
** Dealing Flop ** [ Js, 5d, Qs ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Qh ]
** Dealing River ** [ 6d ]
Sumpura wins $109.15 USD from main pot
I limped with the kk because it was very aggro table wwho was constantly trying to punish limpers. I dont think opponent would shove ak there so its either qq or aa (im not even sure he shoves qq there). could i get away from it??
i called feeling that he probly has aa and would be a cooler, the reason i calld is cos iv always said i cant lay down kk preflop, but is there an exception with this case due to the opponent?
p.s. im not looking at this as a bad beat thread, i simply want to learn.
***** Hand History for Game 607863387 ***** (Betfair)
$50.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Friday, November 20, 12:09:36 ET 2009
Table Neon 198 (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Seat 1: Qweeedo ( $12.50 USD )
Seat 2: Sumpura ( $55.45 USD )
Seat 3: wsop8888 ( $23.82 USD )
Seat 4: craisedman ( $50.00 USD )
Seat 5: Chemate ( $19.44 USD )
Seat 6: 3arksdale ( $80.33 USD )
wsop8888 posts small blind [$0.25 USD].
craisedman posts big blind [$0.50 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to 3arksdale [ Ks Kd ]
Chemate folds
3arksdale calls [$0.50 USD]
Qweeedo calls [$0.50 USD]
Sumpura raises [$3.00 USD]
wsop8888 folds
craisedman folds
3arksdale raises [$8.00 USD]
Qweeedo folds
Sumpura raises [$52.45 USD]
3arksdale calls [$46.95 USD]
Sumpura shows [As, Ah ]
3arksdale shows [Ks, Kd ]
** Dealing Flop ** [ Js, 5d, Qs ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Qh ]
** Dealing River ** [ 6d ]
Sumpura wins $109.15 USD from main pot
I limped with the kk because it was very aggro table wwho was constantly trying to punish limpers. I dont think opponent would shove ak there so its either qq or aa (im not even sure he shoves qq there). could i get away from it??
i called feeling that he probly has aa and would be a cooler, the reason i calld is cos iv always said i cant lay down kk preflop, but is there an exception with this case due to the opponent?
p.s. im not looking at this as a bad beat thread, i simply want to learn.
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Putting down KK in cash is -EV.
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u didnt do a lot wrong there, depends what info u got on player, but a lot of time at that level your gonna get shoves with any pp or ak, aq type hands so get it in and hope its best... if not reload and crack on...
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Snap Call. If its an agro table you are sooooooooo far ahead of his range. He dont usually shove AA, more likely a lower PP or AK. Unlucky...reload :)
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i pretty much did snap call.
Reason i felt it had to be aa is because altho it was aggro table us 2 were the nits of the table and i know he has to put me on aa,kk,qq,maybe aks. and only one he shoves qq on is ak. He is definately capable of laying hands like ak,jj,1010 down, wel actually maybe not lay down but would probly call my reraise with rathar than shove, i feel he probly flat calls with qq also. |
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If urenot willing to play for stacks with KK , even if u feel he has AA , don't reraise but call his raise and evaluate.
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i feel i get way more info from my reraise
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U get a lot more info u say . But if that's right the info u get is he has AA , so u should fold. If u have KK in cash u don't need info, u need to get it in if ure willing to play for stacks.
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U get a lot more info u say . But if that's right the info u get is he has AA , so u should fold. If u have KK in cash u don't need info, u need to get it in if ure willing to play for stacks.
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Obv course im willing to play for stacks with kk hence my call, i just wanted some regulars opinions on the hand and if its a possible laydown. Given all info on opponent and the route he took its not his range is definately top 3 hands in holdem. one of them im crushed ones a draw and one of them i crushing.
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He can have KK too. So one u crush ( QQ ), one split ( KK ) , one that crushes u ( AA ) and one ure ahead 70/30 ( AK ). That given u take in account what uve allready put in ( not so much here ). So, if ure not completely sure he has AA , it's a must call.
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Are there any situations where you should fold KK pre in a cash game?
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No, unless ure 100% sure he has AA but as we all know in poker that's not possible.
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when i said ones a draw i meant kk, and definately aint got ak. oh well pretty standard anyway, id probly do it every single time. just wanted a few opinions on whether i could get away from it.
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imake
Ive played sumpara a bit at 50nl and 100nl and he nearly always has aa imo. The advise on here might be ok against a random but against certain players that you have info on its just wrong. |
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instafold. only a donk would call that 4bet.
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indeed some players will always have AA here
it's rare to find rocks like this tho |
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Why ask? It's an instant call. It's poker, you never know for sure until the cards are turned. Pre flop it's a no brainer.
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of course you can know lol
or how would you ever get reads and know when to call and fold a lot is oppo dependent |
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I agree it is very player dependent, as iv stated i just wanted som opinions and to be honest with my thought process i dont think it would actually be a terrible fold.
heres the thought: - Table is very agressive excluding me and the guy with aa who are super nits. - i previously limped reraised with aa like 20 hands b4 this 1, and i t went to show down - he is playing 12/8 and is pretty much staying away from me - when i limp raise him he has to be looking at my stats thinking im a nit i must have a massive hand, then that with the fact that he is so tight himself means that he aint shoving a whole stack in without aa or kk. My line of action screams aa or kk (every1 else talking about ak,qq,jj, 1010, he may do this with some of other looser opponents where his hand has more value but not against me.), i feel with ak he wants to see a flop and see if he hits, qq he calls and if no ak on board he will be willing to stack off. everything else he folds (apart from aa, kk) so if he almost has to have aa or kk then there is an arguement for a fold. |
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whats his 3 / 4 bet stat ?
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3bet: 2 4bet:30
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its peanuts ffs do u even need stats for this level?lol get real u monkey ur a joke u have not got a clue fold kk at .25 .50 :^0 hahahahah 1 day u may make the dizzy heights of .50 \ 1 u donk
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shut the fck up i asked for opinion..
i promise u tell me where u are and ill come and smash ur face in |
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and just to clarify i never stated that i am going to or do fold aces preflop. As i stated in my first post i do NOT fold kk preflop and was wondering whether ppl thought in this situation he has to have aa. I still wont fold it even if its because of missclick% :). JUST WANTED THOUGHTS ON WHAT OTHER HAND THIS PARTICULAR PLAYER WITH THESE STATS AND THIS SCENARIO WOULD SHOVE WITH.
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do fold kings* preflop
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imake ur a f uking idiot for even post this up here u fool lol at how do u play kk at .25 ,50 u silly f uking donk
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DOES HE HAVE AA LOL IVE JUST LOST A SNICKERS AND A PACK OF MONSTER MUNCH U CHUMP
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imake do not worry we know where your coming from... idiots like booooomtime probably can only dream of playing .25/.50, i heard hes a fun money regular....
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o o o o o o for some reason anything said on this forum that is poker related is quickly laughed at or dismissed. All u have to do is look throught the first 10 threads and ull realise that none of the threads are actually about poker hands. oh well glad not all thought the post was innapropriate.
boomtime has got me so mad, i cant stand when you get these people on forum trying to talk 5hit when i know 100% if we was live and i asked that question at the table he wouldnt say sh1t, cos hes probly a little weasel hiding behind his keyboard. |
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I know what u mean mate, dont let him bother u just keep taking money off of idiots like him :)..... thats if he can afford a buy in, or is he still playing for fun money....
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What is a nit, please? Also rocks,cooler and ' playing 12/8 and staying away from me'.
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IMAKE 20 Nov 20:23
o o o o o o for some reason anything said on this forum that is poker related is quickly laughed at or dismissed. All u have to do is look throught the first 10 threads and ull realise that none of the threads are actually about poker hands. oh well glad not all thought the post was innapropriate. I just counted. The top 19 are all poker related :) Could be more if that waterfall gumbo is about poker too - I didn't look :) |
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" none of the threads are actually about POKER HANDS"
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we all know there tons of whinging, railing, **ing, ur a peasent, arbboy threads
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There was, however not for the last few days or so since he went bust and had to go and work on the bins :(
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whats wrong with working on the bins??? i been with the council for 20 years... and had the same broom.... its had 4 new heads and 6 new handles but still going strong....
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There are people who 3 bet like .5% of hands at 2.5/5. And it is amazing how many times regs do something like 5 to 15 and when you reraise to 45, they raise to 75 or 80 with AA. Sometimes you really can fold KK.
Of course I forget this as soon as the low flop comes, and go bust every time against the regs, though I do get away from the .5% guys. |