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You go down to 50 *****with 4 left (2 paid). Somehow you get back to 1900 *****(avg 2250)
Blinds are 100/200 and will increase shortly.
You get Ac 4c utg
What's your move ?
Blinds are 100/200 and will increase shortly.
You get Ac 4c utg
What's your move ?
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what has your opponents been playing like?
You will have an all in image so I would think twice about shoving. |
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Well with the blinds about to go up its an insta push for me.
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i'm shovin any ace with 5BB in a sit and go
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Not saying I wouldn't shove BTW but image means a lot to me. Had I pushed several hands in a row then I would be wary someone will call. Having info on my opponents would make my decision.
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blinds are always about to go up in a STT these days ffs. When do they go up and what to?
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ship it
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How can anyone comment without knowing the full story?
How aggressive/ passive are your opponents? How aggressive/ passive are you? Although from a 50 *****comeback I would reckon you'd be the one thats pushing the most. |
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You've got 9bbs 4 handed, first to act with a suited ace, it's not even close. Get them in.
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What does having been at 50 *****have to do with anything?
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Finish the story please, guess someone called you with KJo as you'd pushed so frequent in the past.
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50 *****tells me he'd have pushed several times before this situation. I thought the same when I first read the Q.
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I folded - didn't want to go out with Ace rag after such a great comeback !
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wimp
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Majority says push. You'll never know!
Nothing wrong with the fold, push too many times and you will be called. Hope you got 1st or 2nd. |
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I don't even think it's that relevant that you've come back from 50 *****tbh.
Obviously you are going to be chucking them in for a few hands at that point almost regardless of what you have. Why does that automatically mean that you will continue to do so with nothing as soon as you get back to a playable stack? And if someone does think that, and calls you light with the likes of KJo, isn't that what you want? Even with a medium ace you have a decent chance of a split. Like I said, push them in without a second thought imo. |
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My thoughts are on the aggression of the table and why we never get the full story from a hand history. My opponents are a key to whether I push or fold in this situation. Time and time again I see over aggression costing SnG's - getting the right balance is key. I speak for low stakes only.
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Fold
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raise to 1850 and fold to any reraise,youll still have your 50
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whatever way you dress it up its an easy shove.
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How aggressive/ passive are your opponents?
How aggressive/ passive are you? Although from a 50 *****comeback I would reckon you'd be the one thats pushing the most. this is not right. A4 is ahead of a reasonable shoving range and is also ahead of their calling range (KJ, KQ etc) - If I walk into jj, qq, kk, it's fine as shoving is 100% the correct play. |
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This is a fold
If we give them calling ranges of 4% its a shove,if we give them a calling range of 70% and over its a shove. but these ranges seem very unrealistic , so if there ranges lay between that its a easy fold. |
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The above post is assuming they all have ave stack as we were not given the real story.
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with the blind level, 4 handed and blinds 'due to go up shortly', i cant think of an excuse telling me folding here is the right move in the long run
insta shove for me |
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4 handed the ace is a powerful card ...i would have to shove also as you would be very unlucky to be up against a large pair and even so would still have a number of outs
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the fact u have come back from 50 *****to 1,900 should not affect your decision
in general in stts i push if i have 3-5 bbs, here u have 9 bbs so i dont think u need to open shove. you only stand to increase ur stack by 15% so for me its a fold and wait until the next blind level where u stand to increase ur stack by nearly 25% by stelaing the blinds assuming they go up to 150/300 |
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I want to know the size of the BB stack....
Crucial to the size of the bet...and how that is perceived by the other players. Also - when exactly will the blinds go up? - Will they be 100-200 for the next 2 hands. NB - I ain't open folding. |
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What does utg mean please? Also is there a difference between 'push' and 'shove' and what does '( 2 paid)' mean? As a beginner (definitely fish!) I am trying to understand the posts on here, but sometimes I would understand it better if written in double dutch.
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UTG - Under the gun......refering to your position at the time of play...
2 paid - is the number of players who are payed out in the tournamnet |
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Small Blind posts 10
Big Blind posts 20 If you are next to act (first) you are considered being 'under the gun'. |
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problem is that with A4 the kicker is probably just a little too small to do this. Probably one of my biggest mistakes in STTs is shoving ace rag with too many BBs. You get called many times here, and you are either going to be a big dog or virtually 50/50. I'd far rather have JT suited here.
Hence I'd really like to know when exactly the blinds go up, and the other chip stacks etc. And if this is your 5th shove in 8 hands, you are going to get looked up a little more often than you need to make this +EV. People who are openshoving regardless are probably making an error. |
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and push and shove are the same thing (all in - but normally the first all in).
If someone shoves all in before you, you can 're-shove' if you have more than them and wish to get other players off the pot for example. If someone shoves for 900 and you have 700, it's considered a call that you do, not a shove because you are all in. |
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Thank you semi skimmed and imhere.
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a rag has often been my downfall (and many others im sure) late on in tourneys but you are inevitably going to get caught, outraced or raped now and then.
this isnt even close though, you have under 10 bbs are in the cutoff effectively and have much better than a rag, you have a4 suited with all its possibilities. This is a really decision, and it is only fear (and memories of the odd times youve got caught out) that can make you fold. folding here is bad, not even marginal imfho. |
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easy* decision
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since when is a4 sooted not ace rag?
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Everyone feels better shoving with Arag then they do 10 7
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Dont SNGS?
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i cant believe this thread is still goin. You are short asnd have an ace. ship it
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If we assume they have 11% calling range which seems about right to me some will be slightly looser and some slightly tighter but on balence this seems fair.
Then this is our shoving range 12.7% 55+.At+,A8s+,KQ+,K10s+.Q10s+,J10s Its a fold |