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SwingingPick
18 Jul 13 21:38
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Whilst the Tour rode into Le Grand Bornard in the 17th stage of 2009 after covering 170kms, and whilst it also covered an equal number of five cat climbs in
total, as it will this year, the stage profile actually bears a closer resemblance to last year's stage 11 (Albertville La Toussuire --> Les Sybelles over a 148 kms), in so far as it goes over the 2000m Col de la Madeleine, albeit from a different direction, and thus about 6kms shorter, yet significantly steeper, but nonetheless still holding the same H cat rating. So, therefore, this year, the stage essentially has the addition of a 1 cat climb at the end, and about 55kms additional riding to last year's stage, where it was Pierre Rolland whom won from a 28-man breakaway group, after fellow team-mate Kern set a strong pace, and which served to eliminate all but six other riders with them. Rolland's fellow countryman Thibaut Pinot came 2nd from the Yellow jersey group, but
it was Froome who really impressed by setting a furious pace for Wiggins, and finishing 3rd, 2secs ahead of his team leader. But really the 2009 stage into
Le Grand Bornard is not worth remembering, for a variety of factors.

In relation to yesterday, since it serves as such a good foundation for forming an opinion of this stage, I think that perhaps Sky did put the peloton into a slumber yesterday, and since it was working -- at least up to the point before Movistar came to the front and began picking up the pace -- they were happy
to dictate terms and keep the status quo. This would also suggest that Froome wasn't as hungry for stage glory as I had initially thought, and as Dope had
actually intimated with his blog link on Froome on the stage thread -- since it appeared that without Movistar's move, Sky would have continued to keep the
peloton in check with its languid pace, and the breakaway gap would have continued to -- in the least -- remain steady.

Now, Purito opened-up as a 6/1 favourite with the books on account of his excellent ride to Alpe d'Huez, and it's clear to some of us that he is improving and therfore deserving of close scrutiny. However, Quintana showed that he too is improving and gaining experience, and indeed showing that he doesn't need to rely on his team in the mountains as heavily as perhaps Froome does. Although, Movistar on the flats and Valverde on the climb was of some help to him. However, whilst I'm still not confident with Movistar tactics to deliver him into good tactical positions, I am more optimistic about him riding isolated
from them, and indeed am emboldened by his language in summarizing the stage.

It would appear to be the case that Froome has taken a keen liking to Quintana, and it wouldn't be a surprise if the Yellow jersey were, to hand the young
Colombian rider the stage win under the right circumstances. But this is an aside, since Quintana is riding well enough in his own right, to challenge Frrome
for stage honours should the two be left to fight it out. In fact, Quintana finished ahead of Purito in yesterday's stage, found 2secs on the line to him, and did most of the heavy lifting to make the selection in the first place. So, for Quintana to be equal fifth favourite with Schleck with some early books, is absolute nonsense in that it bears no resemblance to what occurred in the stage, and being at over 13/1 on here, I have judged the price to be good value.

In France, with the heavy press of French stage glory in the 100th Tour, and at such an epic stage, any half-decent French climber with legs tomorrow will
be looking to get into a stage-winning breakaway, and a few names are worth making the short list. In the stage prior to Rolland's stage 11 victory last year, it was Voeckler who won, so perhaps there is a case for two French wins in a row this year. However, Sky showed that inaction and/or inattention can quickly cause potential problems for them, and I would expect stronger riding from them for this, and therefore less chance of a breakaway succeeding. Although, should a breakaway form than I have built a position with Talansky, and will be looking to add Rolland after more scrutiny.

For now though, I like Quintana as he begins to shorten. Cool

Good luck to all,
SP

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By:
CJ70
When: 18 Jul 13 22:43
My three main plays tomorrow are Riblon, Nieve and Rolland. SKY & Movistar will want a breakaway to go and it's probably up to Saxo to attack the GC from the start. After yesterdays tactics I'll be surprised if Sky/Movistar let any Saxo riders up the road, so it is then up to Saxo to burn their team if they want to keep trying something.

In that I think the breakaway has a good chance of succeeding and the KOM fanciers will have a go.

Riblon will have probably exhausted himself today but the adrenaline after saving the French blushes may push him forward.

Rolland hasn't got the legs but he has been a let down in the mountains and good exposure with a chase of a journey will make Europcar happy.

Nieve is my main play. He'll be desperate to get in the break and hoover the mountain points up, in good form and will be confident of being able to keep a decent position on Saturday to keep the polka dots if he gets away.

All prices to trade as I doubt any of them are capable of winning the stage.
By:
casemoney
When: 19 Jul 13 02:46
Thanks for write up lads ,agree with Quintana ,give Valverde a squeak as hes riding out of his skin ,will play them two pre race
and then play in running .. g luck all
By:
mp06
When: 19 Jul 13 07:14
who may go today? good stage yesterday,froome is not the superhuman machine,which is good in a way though my wallet a bit lighter after yesterday,what u reckon swinging?
By:
ClayDavis
When: 19 Jul 13 07:39
I have backed the mighty Alberto Contador for today's stage. He is a massive price!!! How the feck can Andy Schleck be a shorter price than him? Bertie to attack close to the summit of the final climb and then u won't see him for dust
By:
scoobeck
When: 19 Jul 13 07:54
Hardly any mention of Froomes actions on the last climb. 20 sec penalty hardly sufficient for blatant cheating.
By:
SwingingPick
When: 19 Jul 13 08:01
Movistar will attack Saxo, Quintana is just 21 secs off Contador's second place position, and wants to repay his team; but I think that this attack will come very late on the stage or perhaps won't even be necessary, since Bertie will fall off the back of a selection. Additionally, Movistar are not very tactical, so perhaps we might see something really silly from them, or nothing at all. Certainly, Valverde will be helping Quintana, and has little chance for getting the victory for himself -- he should be in the 50s and then some. SP.
By:
SwingingPick
When: 19 Jul 13 09:20
The more I look at this stage, the more I consider a breakaway to succeed, however let's consider that on the final climb up Alpe d'Huez yesterday, Quintana took out more than 6mins on a tiring TJ, and about 5mins on an energised Riblon. This came after Sky let the gap blow-out to nearly 9mins, which was 7mins by the final climb.

What the breakaway has in their favour in this stage though, and what makes a breakaway the most likely scenario -- whether long range or even late -- is the 13km descent to the finish, and why I keep coming back to a breakaway succeeding. I've softened on Quintana, I don't think the finish suits him much, and by the final descent others may look much better. As a result, I've layed-off much of my early interest.

Andrew Talansky was a good chance, when 3rd in the breakaway stage into Lyon, where Trentin won. But he has confirmed he has been riding solidly in the mountains, where in the Pyrenees he finished 33rd into Bagnéres de Bigorre, and 16th up to Ax 3 Domaines. He backed-up his Lyon breakaway ride with a strong showing on Mont Ventoux to finish 25th, and was unlucky to fall off the Yellow jersey group by a minute into Gap, but far from disgraced with a 35th place finish. He atoned with a top-10 finish in the mountain ITT, and stuck on well to finish in 14th place yesterday. Garmin have done well by getting a stage win with Dan Martin, and with little in the way of prizes on offer between here and Paris, another stage is a clear focus for them. In addition, I think he'll have been inspired by his American countryman's performance yesterday, and if he is feeling good, there's not much reason why he can't get in the breakaway, and more importantly, have the skill and talent to win. In the 100s, he is definitely worth some interest in the hope that he gets into the breakaway.

The underated Spanish veteran, Daniel Navarro, has been ultra consistent in the Tour, let alone in the mountain stages. He has won a very tough one-day race this year, the Vuelta Ciclista a Murcia in February, from a quality field, and I've had him winning a stage in this Tour from the start, but just haven't been much convinced up till now. However, since he has been trying for breakaways, hasn't had much luck, and is running out of time to get a stage win for himself and his team, he is worth some interest at the excellent value of 200s.

What really confirms my view that the Books have got this market wrong however, is that Purito went up as favourite. Since, he is most likely to win from a selection in the finale, that is to say he won't be permitted to ride away in an early breakaway because of his high GC position, his price should reflect the price of the GC contenders, and it doesn't really. It's therefore a default position, however at 8/1 the value is not there for a lay.

Cheers,
SP
By:
CJ70
When: 19 Jul 13 09:25
Don't forget about the early start. Eurosport coverage about to go live.
By:
SwingingPick
When: 19 Jul 13 09:45
Nice one CJ70, thanks.

Gilbert at 84/1.Laugh SP.
By:
unbiased
When: 19 Jul 13 10:17
What has been apparent for last season,and this one,is the tactictal nous of Brailsford.He clearly knows how to organise his team,to best advantage.A big plus for the Sky guys.
T J and N Q look to be the riders for the future.
By:
bb66
When: 19 Jul 13 10:24
scoobeck 19 Jul 13 07:54

Hardly any mention of Froomes actions on the last climb. 20 sec penalty hardly sufficient for blatant cheating.


well, I still don't know on behalf of which rule Froome was penalized, as it was only Porte who infringed a rule by taking an energy bar, it's not forbidden to take Food or drink from a team mateWink
By:
bb66
When: 19 Jul 13 10:26
@SP

the scenario for a Purito win must be an attack on the last climb from the GC group maintaining his advantage going downhill solo
By:
mp06
When: 19 Jul 13 10:51
whos in that group upfront pls?,gambling on d golf here
By:
Dope
When: 19 Jul 13 10:56
Ryder Hesjedal and Jon Izagirre with 3m51s on the peloton

This group at 1m30 behind them, 2m21s ahead of the peloton
BARDET R.
BAKELANTS J.
SERPA J.
GESINK R.
ROLLAND P.
COSTA R.
KLÖDEN A.
RIBLON C.
DE CLERCQ B.
DIDIER L.
CUNEGO D.
NORDHAUG L.
PLAZA MOLINA R
HERNANDEZ BLAZQUEZ J.
MOINARD A.
COPPEL J.
DE MARCHI A
BURGHARDT M.
ROJAS J.
MOSER M.
HOOGERLAND J.
MARTIN T.
BAK L.
KADRI B.
MEYER C.
PAULINHO S.
COUSIN J.
By:
Dope
When: 19 Jul 13 10:58
the lead 2 suddenly have 5mins on the peloton and the big chase group are 2m15 behind them.
By:
mp06
When: 19 Jul 13 11:00
thx kloden be great for me
By:
CJ70
When: 19 Jul 13 11:02
Think there's more than that in the big escape group isn't there?

Rain coming down for the descent.
By:
CJ70
When: 19 Jul 13 11:31
Couldn't have gone better for me. Nieve, Riblon and Rolland in the break.
By:
Flying_V
When: 19 Jul 13 11:40
Hardly any mention of Froomes actions on the last climb. 20 sec penalty hardly sufficient for blatant cheating.

"well, I still don't know on behalf of which rule Froome was penalized, as it was only Porte who infringed a rule by taking an energy bar, it's not forbidden to take Food or drink from a team mate"

For me it was the equivalent of a "professional foul". Maybe not "Willie Young on Paul Allen"...but Froome was looking at a bonk...and took on food. We may never know how much time he could have lost without taking on some sugar. Maybe nothing...but maybe a spectacular 10 minute Landis-like collapse up to La Toussire in 06...

We'll never know.

[Un]Fair play to Sky for doing it..as he could have lost minutes..but it was cheating...and using Porte as the mule was very clever.
By:
mp06
When: 19 Jul 13 11:46
apparently sky had a car problem getting to riders earlier so missed food/drink
By:
Flying_V
When: 19 Jul 13 11:56
oh..that's ok then...
By:
unbiased
When: 19 Jul 13 11:57
Should be using a Skoda,as according to the ad. they never go wrong!!Sky have a Jag!
By:
CJ70
When: 19 Jul 13 13:11
Bjarne burning domestiques on the descent again.
By:
CJ70
When: 19 Jul 13 13:13
Bauer has had a nasty smash into a fence. He's been taken to hospital so I hope he's ok.
By:
bb66
When: 19 Jul 13 13:39
TST defending lead in team classification, Contador surrenderedLaugh
By:
SwingingPick
When: 19 Jul 13 13:50
@ bb66 -- I agree with that mate, but was it worth 6/1 favouritism for Purito, when Rolland was 25/1? SP.
By:
CJ70
When: 19 Jul 13 15:14
Well I was wrong with Rolland not having the legs. Don't think he'll stay out until the end but this is mightily impressive.
By:
CJ70
When: 19 Jul 13 15:27
Absolute downpour. I'll be surprised if the peleton all stay upright.
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