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very very good from the english team!!! Master of fixing and fraudes after yesterday stage at TDF; a bit like Barclays bank...english style
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Have you any idea about cycling and the fact it is a team sport?
yes mate, like Formula One but when Ferrari stopped barrichello to let Schumacher go year ago was a big scandal and ANTI FAIR competition; SKY need to know that there are bets on their racing and Froome could have easy won the stage without poor Higgins begging not to go......
ENGLISH BANDITS CELEBRATING TOMOROOW LIKE THEIR BANKERS
That's my impression too with, perhaps, a little Aussie gripe added on(?).
No mate not bets for me in Cycling due to the Doping issue Ican show you all my last YEAR bet adn you wont find any in Cycling for sure. But I dont like the falsity of English always ready to point the finger italians, french ect and than they do exactly the same!
trouble with us English is we dont know how to lose with dignity,and its the same when we win.
There are some bitter individuals on here. Cycling is a team sport, and the team is selected to do a job. Fact is, Sky have the best team this year and the three outstanding individuals in the team are English, which is something for we English to celebrate, not pick apart.
There are people on here saying Bradley Wiggins is an unworthy winner because he has had so much help, and there is no doubt Chris Froome would be closer to him overall, but whether he would have taken 3.5 - 4 minutes out of him is debatable....being the current gap plus the 1-2 minutes Wiggins will take out of him today.
But then Indurain or Armstrong would not have won a single tour if they had raced as individuals. Similarly Cavendish or Greipl would win far fewer stages if they raced alone, but they dont, and they are part of a team and they are paid to do specific jobs.
I think the whole Sky team has been brilliant this year, that Bradley Wiggins is the best ridr and deserves this tour, and that Chris Froome will win one or more in the next few years. the team spirit and ethic at Sky is immense. What other team would have its star sprinter fetching drinks for the others, or the team leader putting himself at risk leading out the sprinter.
All Hail Team Sky and a great British victory
There are people on here saying Bradley Wiggins is an unworthy winner because he has had so much help, and there is no doubt Chris Froome would be closer to him overall, but whether he would have taken 3.5 - 4 minutes out of him is debatable....being the current gap plus the 1-2 minutes Wiggins will take out of him today.
But then Indurain or Armstrong would not have won a single tour if they had raced as individuals. Similarly Cavendish or Greipl would win far fewer stages if they raced alone, but they dont, and they are part of a team and they are paid to do specific jobs.
I think the whole Sky team has been brilliant this year, that Bradley Wiggins is the best ridr and deserves this tour, and that Chris Froome will win one or more in the next few years. the team spirit and ethic at Sky is immense. What other team would have its star sprinter fetching drinks for the others, or the team leader putting himself at risk leading out the sprinter.
All Hail Team Sky and a great British victory
all pretty much true
been fecking boring to watch though,as far as i am concerned
been fecking boring to watch though,as far as i am concerned
buddeliea ... correct me if I am wrong, but no one is making you watch.... just switch off.
Richardson - there is a famous quote (Oscar Wilde maybe) about staying quiet so people thinking you might be ignorant rather than opening your mouth and removing all doubt .... look it up!
Richardson - there is a famous quote (Oscar Wilde maybe) about staying quiet so people thinking you might be ignorant rather than opening your mouth and removing all doubt .... look it up!
i aint watching today,but i did watch the mountain stages as i do every year,and this years were boring compared to every other year i watched.
think you may need to look that up hod
think you may need to look that up hod
I did: 'It is wiser to remain silent and be thought ignorant than to speak and remove all doubt'
HO DI thank mate for yr piece of wisdom! of course does apply to you as well.
what I am saying is that when Ferrari (years ago) stopped Barrichello at last turn to let Schumacher win was a big scandal; at the Tour the France is TEAM SPORT and they can do it.....PLLLLEEEEEASSSSEEEEEE!!!! Y
it may be a team sport,but it aint sky's name as the winner.
That goes to an individual.
Its always going to be somewhat controversial when betting is involved,but anyone backing Froome must know the team ethic before placing the bet,and the odds should reflect that anyway.
That goes to an individual.
Its always going to be somewhat controversial when betting is involved,but anyone backing Froome must know the team ethic before placing the bet,and the odds should reflect that anyway.
Agreed buddeliea.
One thing that appears to be getting overlooked is the incident between Valverde and Nibali when Nibali joined the original breakaway. Valverde appeared to be telling Nibali, “get the f**k out of my break”. Had Nibali not finally agreed to do so, presumably Sky would have kept the hammer down and brought the break back. What would have happened thereafter, we’ll never know, but the race would have developed differently from that point.
The success, or otherwise, of breakaways is frequently at the discretion of the main peleton. If we were to accuse the peleton of cheating, and costing disgruntled punters money every time it failed or chose not to shut down a breakaway, there’d be nothing left to call sport.
One thing that appears to be getting overlooked is the incident between Valverde and Nibali when Nibali joined the original breakaway. Valverde appeared to be telling Nibali, “get the f**k out of my break”. Had Nibali not finally agreed to do so, presumably Sky would have kept the hammer down and brought the break back. What would have happened thereafter, we’ll never know, but the race would have developed differently from that point.
The success, or otherwise, of breakaways is frequently at the discretion of the main peleton. If we were to accuse the peleton of cheating, and costing disgruntled punters money every time it failed or chose not to shut down a breakaway, there’d be nothing left to call sport.
I think you have to accept this when betting on cycling. Often there are instances where riders "lose the battle to win the war". The best rider does not always (or even often) win but you have to play the game and get inside their heads to stand a better chance of making money. It certainly isn't anything like betting on an athletics race where everyone has one goal.
One bit of the team/individual dichotomy I don't get is why the team of the winner does not get official recognition for their efforts; that all goes to the one who scores the goal.
Team recognition is confined to the team classification. In this Tour, Radioshack-Nissan win that but the Sky troops get nowt - even when they do exactly what is expected of a team and in exemplary fashion!
Team recognition is confined to the team classification. In this Tour, Radioshack-Nissan win that but the Sky troops get nowt - even when they do exactly what is expected of a team and in exemplary fashion!
HOD that is a more fair view and I can accept it; I dont bet in F1 or Cycling regardless so not very interested in this aspect....anyway good luck to Cavendish in the Olympic race, if he does lose they way thet are offering him on a silver plate....must be shooted! Cycling had disgusted me in the last 15 years with doping and it is no more a sport in my opinion. Should not be in the Olympics!
! Cycling had disgusted me in the last 15 years with doping and it is no more a sport in my opinion. Should not be in the Olympics!
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