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Good Name 4 a Horse
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he must enjoy getting ktfo

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/ufc/2548586/Bisping-v-Wand-for-UFC-105.html
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Report thefunkymonkey July 23, 2009 3:56 PM BST
Apparently it's on for UFC 105, great fight. No doubt all the yanks will be rooting for Bisping to get knocked out, at least they'll be one decent fight now. May have to go after all.
Report EastLower Gooner July 23, 2009 4:27 PM BST
Dammit....I might be holiday Nov14th. Oh well.....will watch the replay

Gooooooooooooo Axeeeeeeeee Murderer goooooooooo

Just tee off on the big lump bisping please....quick finish a la Jardine.
Report stalingrad July 23, 2009 7:51 PM BST
Nah i want 3 rounds off him teeing off on bisping then a 3rd round KO for the axe murderer
Report comeonkautostar July 23, 2009 10:50 PM BST
One crap fighter vs one washed up one......................put it on the undercard ffs.

Wand has lost 5 out of his last 6 and going down to 185 at this stage of his career (Middleweight in Pride was 205) isnt the smartest thing to do, Rich beat him easily when he cut to 195.

But the Brit is so thick and crap, Wand would probably still win.
Report mehmet j mook July 24, 2009 12:22 PM BST
no shame in getting Knocked out by Hendo,seem to remember wandy suffering a simular knock out at the hands of Dan,good entertaining fight imo.
Report comeonkautostar July 24, 2009 2:20 PM BST
There is shame in being so blatently stupid that you circle to Hendo's right hand.
Report mehmet j mook July 24, 2009 3:47 PM BST
everyone makes mistakes and gets beat (apart from fedor) its how you come back from the defeats,Brock made some of the most stupid mistakes against Mir the 1st time round and look how he came back. Just because you dont like the guy doesnt make him a rubbish fighter,he got beat by in my eyes the 2nd best middleweight in the division who was far more experianced than bisping and as for saying wanderlei should go on the undercard,well not much to say about that really,mental.
Report comeonkautostar July 24, 2009 5:25 PM BST
Brock had an excuse ffs! It was only his 2nd ever MMA fight. How many has Bisping had?

And Wand is FINNISH - his last 6 fights have shown that.

HTH.
Report Good Name 4 a Horse July 24, 2009 5:45 PM BST
bisping just looked week compared to hendo.

that's what concerned me.

bisping vs sliva could turn into a muai thai knee-fest!
Report mehmet j mook July 25, 2009 10:50 AM BST
It will still be a good fight. Wanderlei put on a great show against Franklin,very very entertaining.

I think joe silva does a great job and i trust his opinions rather than someone who sits at home critacising fighters,if all these people are rubbish get training and get yourself in the ring.
Report stalingrad July 25, 2009 2:05 PM BST
Would be a good fight but i get the feeling it will be cote instead of wanderlei unfortunately
Report EastLower Gooner July 25, 2009 2:12 PM BST
before 100 Cote was saying he wanted Hendo to win because he was desparate to fight Bisping in England...he wants it big time.

Sexyiama is another option...
Report mehmet j mook July 25, 2009 2:20 PM BST
i think it will be Cote aswell. Cant wait for the Maia vs marquadt fight,surely the winner of that match should get a shot at the title.
Report comeonkautostar July 25, 2009 9:32 PM BST
mehmet j mook 25 Jul 11:50
It will still be a good fight. Wanderlei put on a great show against Franklin,very very entertaining.

I think joe silva does a great job and i trust his opinions rather than someone who sits at home critacising fighters,if all these people are rubbish get training and get yourself in the ring.




Listen you f-ucking moron (as Dana would say), just accept Wand is over the hill (for the third and final time, his last 6 fights show this) and Bisping is both not good enough at the top level and is quite thick - as shown in his last fight. *I have provided evidence to back up my opinions with which you have not disagreed*

And do you not think Silva is slightly biassed? Of course he thinks every fight is going to be a great one, thats how he make a f-ucking living. I am objective and am telling it how it is. Wand is FINNISH and Bisping is thick/crap.

And your last sentence shows what a mug you are. Criticise all these fighters? What? Ive criticised one - thats ONE - fighter, Bisping, for being thick. I have also said he is not good enough at the top level, which would be the opinion of the vast majority. And with Axe Murderer Ive simply pointed out he is past his best, another opinion which would be shared by the vast majority.

It may turn out to be an entertaining fight, based on the fact they are now probably of similar ability, but that doesnt mean it will be a good fight, and certainly not one that will have the best in the 185 division quaking in their boots.
Report stalingrad July 25, 2009 11:26 PM BST
Now now lets keep it civilised!

Il have £20 on mehmet by triangle in the 2nd any takers? :-)


I get your point kauto that Bisping maybe isnt as good as we all thought he was, maybe watching his fights through red white and blue glasses at times. For what its worth i thought he lost against Hamill. Wanderlei is defo past his best theres no denying this but hes by no means completely shot and it does make a very interesting and exciting fight!

Id rather watch this than another Sanchez v Stevenson main event. Altho it does get a bit annoying that all we get over here is bisping almost every card.
Report EastLower Gooner July 26, 2009 3:53 AM BST
Kauto and Mehmet ;-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewmUSe90uC0
Report mehmet j mook July 26, 2009 10:01 AM BST
oh pipe down you stupid tw@t,Bisping got beat by Hendo that by no means makes him rubbish,you can say he has fought nobodys but you can only beat whats in front of you,Leben while i agree isnt the best fighter but he is in no way a mug and bisping took him apart,rashad (former LHW champ) edged a close decision over bisping and against Hamill (another good fighter in the LHW division) i thought Bisping slighlty edged it with him being the one who finished much stronger and all the overs have been put away convincingly,you can say they are all cr@p but quite a few people on here were tipping the likes of jason day to beat Bisping.

Wand proved against Franklin he wasnt as you say " FINNISH" some people are tipping Franklin for a title shot in the 205 division and wand pushed him all the way,fair enough he got beat by the iceman but i doubt people would see a defeat to chuck liddell as an upset and the same goes with rampage and when he did fight an average fighter who has a good few victorys under his belt in jardine he KO'd him within the 1st minute.

You even said yourself it will prob be an entertaining fight but not a high ranked fight and if thats the case and you dont think lower ranked fights should make the cards then we wouldnt get to see all of the classics involving chris lytle etc. Sometimes ill agree i see Bisping thru tinted glasses but sometimes i think its the same with other people but the other way round and say he is cr@p just because they dont like him.

For the record i dont really think Bisping is thick,granted he made a very very stupid mistake but normally his gameplans work very well and on the tuf he seemed to be a good coach.
Report Good Name 4 a Horse July 26, 2009 11:47 AM BST
stalingrad 26 Jul 00:26

Id rather watch this than another Sanchez v Stevenson main event. Altho it does get a bit annoying that all we get over here is bisping almost every card.


I'd rather see a Dan Hardy fight
Report comeonkautostar July 26, 2009 9:13 PM BST
Apologies Mehmet

ELG - :^0
Report comeonkautostar July 26, 2009 9:35 PM BST
PS:

Anderson Silva: Silva is not only the reigning UFC Middleweight Champion. He is also a fighter with no peers. A 185-lb dictator with no identifiable threat to his reign. A pound-for-pound great who isnt afraid to challenge himself by moving up 20 lbs to face former 205-lb champion Forrest Griffin at UFC 101 on August 8. Simply put, he is the best fighter on the planet. That is all fine and good, but the middleweight division is being held hostage while its champion faces Griffin in a 205-lb nontitle fight. Will he eschew the division he has ruled since first battering Rich Franklin in October 2006 in favor of a 205-lb title run, assuming he is successful against Griffin, who is the biggest, strongest opponent he has ever faced? That was a very real possibility until his good friend Lyoto Machida stopped Rashad Evans last month. Silva has said on more than one occasion that he will never fight Machida. Thus, Silva is likely headed back to 185 lbs after his bout with Griffin, win, lose or draw. Then again, UFC Chairman Lorenzo Fertitta recently stated that he will not tolerate guys who wont fight teammates if that means robbing fans of the best fights. Who knows? Whatever the case, Silva is as close to an unbeatable fighter as we have seen in the UFC. With top-of-the-food-chain striking skills (including a deadly clinch game), a Brazilian Jiu Jitsu black belt from the Nogueira brothers, and the ability to seamlessly transition between those two aspects of his game make Silva the perfect (so far, at least) UFC fighting machine.

USUAL SUSPECTS

Dan Henderson: More than a decade after beginning his UFC career, Hendo is finally getting the domestic shine that he so richly deserves due to his coaching stint opposite Michael Bisping on The Ultimate Fighter. And he capitalized on that shine like no coach before him, savagely stopping Bisping with a single right hand at the biggest event in the history of the sport. That knockout, which separated Bisping from consciousness long before he hit the ground, will forever grace the UFCs highlight reel. It was that good. Hendo is that good. There is no disputing that this guy is one of the best fighters in the history of the sport, pound for pound. Period. The Team Quest superstar earned a permanent spot in the record books by becoming the first (and only) man to simultaneously hold titles in two different weight divisions of a major MMA promotion, accomplishing that feat in February 2007 when, as the reigning PRIDE 183-lb champion, he knocked out the Wanderlei Silva to win the PRIDE 205-lb championship. Despite returning to the UFC last year with back-to-back losses in Anderson Silva and Quinton Jackson in title unification bouts, Hendo has placed himself back at the forefront of the contenders queue with three straight wins over Rousimar Palhares, former champion Rich Franklin and Bisping, and after his 205-pound rematch with Franklin at UFC 103 in September, expect him to return to 185 to once again knock on Silvas door.

Nate Marquardt: In nine trips to the Octagon,
Report EastLower Gooner July 27, 2009 12:44 AM BST
Mehmet.....interesting about gameplans. Totally agree. He usually has this sorted.

Wonder if this is more a problem with Wolfslair's coaching rather than him. They really need to bounce back big time

The last few fighters they've sent out have been pretty bad / ordinary...

Dave Faulkner - Quit vs Frank Lester
Rampage labouring to a pts win over Jardine
Abdul Mohammed getting owned by tim Radcliffe at bamma1
Cheik Kongo no gameplan vs Cain Velasquez
and now Bisping.
Report EastLower Gooner July 27, 2009 2:44 AM BST
Time for a 195lb division imo.

Will suit a lot of fighters...Franklin, Bisping, Silva, Nate and maybe even someone like Mousasi who is very good.

On another note....thought Sexyama had an decent first fight at 100. For my money Belcher beat him but I was impressed enought with him. For a guy with some serious judo skills he's got some quickfire striking with his fists and leg kicks imo. Cardio blew out big time but he can work on that.
Report EastLower Gooner July 27, 2009 5:33 AM BST
Time to also get Mayhem Miller back!!!!

Plssssssss Dana bring him back!
Report mehmet j mook July 27, 2009 8:12 AM BST
EastLower Gooner 27 Jul 01:44


Mehmet.....interesting about gameplans. Totally agree. He usually has this sorted.

Wonder if this is more a problem with Wolfslair's coaching rather than him. They really need to bounce back big time

The last few fighters they've sent out have been pretty bad / ordinary...

Dave Faulkner - Quit vs Frank Lester
Rampage labouring to a pts win over Jardine
Abdul Mohammed getting owned by tim Radcliffe at bamma1
Cheik Kongo no gameplan vs Cain Velasquez
and now Bisping.

100% agree ELG!


As for your post kauto,not really much to say different to what i have already said,everyone makes mistakes,granted a very stupid amateur mistake but i dont think Bisping can be classed as thick,normally has great gameplans and im not saying hes the best fighter in the division im saying he isnt cr@p.

Not quite sure why you highlighted the anderson silva bit,never said anything about him.

I apolagise for the name calling though.
Report comeonkautostar July 27, 2009 2:37 PM BST
I highlighted the Silva bit because Ive been banging on for months about wanting to see him and Machida fight for the 205 title. :-(

ELG, I disagree about having a 195 division, 20lbs between middle and lightheavy is ok imo. What I want to see is a superheavy division. 205lbs to 265lbs is far too big a difference for one weight class imo. Lesnar has an unreal advantage at walking around at about 275 and onlt having to shed 10lbs. He is fighting guys stones lighter than him which sort of takes away from having weightclasses at all.
Report big kahunas 2 July 27, 2009 3:16 PM BST
interested to see how you guys would price up wandi v bisping. As for the gameplan of bisping it was awful and kongos was even worse. Think wanderlei is defo still a force to be reckoned with and will also be wanted for the ufc for years to come as he's a one dimentional fighter who pulls in the crowds. For me he was rocked by franklin but come the end of the fight you could see rich was panicking as wandi just kept coming and the crowd was massively behind him.
Report mehmet j mook July 27, 2009 5:23 PM BST
i thought the wandy franklin fight was a lot lot closer than the judges scored it,i thought wandy had franklin rocked in the 3rd and was defo coming on stronger than rich towards the end. Id make wandy slight fave against bisping i think but will be a very interesting fight imo.
Report comeonkautostar July 27, 2009 9:55 PM BST
Wand will deffo be favourite, on reputation alone he would. And if it was against most other fighters Id be against him, but because its Bisping, it would be a no-bet.
Report Teddy_KGB July 27, 2009 10:02 PM BST
ب گروهی و ارتقای پای‌گاه‌های اجتماعی و تحقق مديريت دا
Report big kahunas 2 July 28, 2009 1:35 PM BST
1/2 wandy 6/4 bisping for me. Come on kgb let us in on the act.
Report comeonkautostar July 28, 2009 5:19 PM BST
ب گروهی و ارتقای اجتماعی قق مديريت دا
Report stalingrad July 28, 2009 5:21 PM BST
Couldnt agree more kauto, mehmet thinks ur talkin crap tho!
Report comeonkautostar July 29, 2009 4:17 PM BST
Mehmets entitled to his opinion. Lets just see if this fight causes any ripples at the top of the division. ;-)
Report stalingrad July 29, 2009 5:44 PM BST
I was just takin the mickey with the arabic, ive no idea what u said!
Report stalingrad July 29, 2009 5:45 PM BST
Looks like espn is going to be the new channel for the ufc in the uk, anyone know how much subscription is?
Report mehmet j mook July 29, 2009 9:15 PM BST
think its £9 a month stalingrad,its got the prem games aswell so gona have to have it,doesnt really matter as i was paying roughly tht for setanta. I dont want to start up the war of words again at all kauto imjust interested in who you think would beat wandy in the middleweight division for him to not be a top contender? Anderson silva-definately,Maia-maybe,Nate-maybe and anyone else id make wandy fave.
Report stalingrad July 29, 2009 10:10 PM BST
cheers i dont mind paying for any channel withthe ufc on.
I think -
Anderson silva
Nate
Maia (poss) depends if maia can get him to the ground
Hendo

Would all beat wanderlei in my opinion. I also think GSP would beat them all apart from maybe Anderson should he step up
Report mehmet j mook July 30, 2009 2:16 PM BST
i agree with hendo aswell,4got about him. Other than anderson silva though i think wandy will be a match for any of them witch makes him a title challenger.
Report comeonkautostar July 30, 2009 4:14 PM BST
Well first of all I would qualify my argument by saying Wand is totally unproven at 185. Remember, he was meant to fight Rich at 185 at 99 and couldnt make the weight. They then changed it to a catchweight at 195. Can he even make the weight of 185? And if he does, will he manage to bring with him some power? I doubt it. Will he be elusive enough? No chance.

Secondly, this is the worst possible time for him to move down a weightclass. He isnt the same fighter as he was 3/4/5 years ago. Thats a fact. Rampage called it before knocking him out. Jackson said he doesnt have the same look about him. He doesnt have the same presence. He doesnt have the same aura. Joe has said he's not the same because of his style. He's took a lot of punishment in his career. Hendo ended his resistance. He's been cut out since.

Thirdly, he's moving down to middle because he has been forced to, not because he wants to, but because he needs to. Says a lot.

And finally, who could beat him at middleweight?

Anderson
Hendo
Franklin
Nate
Leites (would make him tap)
Maia
Okami (ludicrously underrated)

Possibly:

Akiyama
McFedrie (if he gets off and lands)
*Bisping

One or two of the names are laughable if you think about the axe murderer in his prime at 205. But he isnt in his prime, nowhere near it, and isnt at 205 anymore either.

*I would pi$$ my pants if Bisping beat him. Bisping is where he is because he is not american or brazilian, he's a brit. Its part of UFC taking over the world.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqyu6qCnSfw

If Wand fell to him, he should retire.
Report mehmet j mook July 31, 2009 3:56 PM BST
fair points,everyone to there own opinion,we will have to wait and see to see who's right. Franklin is LHW now though not middleweight. Id love to see the axe murderer against mcfedries!
Report EastLower Gooner July 31, 2009 6:25 PM BST
Bring back MayheM

will rule the 185div.
Report EastLower Gooner August 1, 2009 2:07 AM BST
check this guy out:

http://www.lionheartfighters.com/profile/view/PhilDavis

Light Heavy.

4 time All American and 2008 Div1 Champ.

finished college with a 116-20 record!!! fkin unreal imo.

Thats top class wrestling imo.....Rashad Evans was 48-34 at Michigan State and Cain Velasquez was a two time all american champ and his record was 77-37 so puts Phil Davis' achievement into some context.

Undefeated pro career (4-0)

Looks good. Trains with Hendo.
Report comeonkautostar August 1, 2009 12:28 PM BST
Yea, ELG, looks very promising. His collegiate wrestling record is fecking unbelievable. And as we all know MMA's that have a wrestling background do very well.

Lesnar finished his as a two-time NJCAA All-American, 1998 NJCAA Heavyweight Champion, two-time NCAA All-American, two-time Big Ten Conference Champion, and the 2000 NCAA heavyweight champion with a record of 1065 overall. Outrageous.
Report comeonkautostar November 24, 2009 10:14 PM GMT
Bisping wants Wanderlei next

HE HAS GOT HIM!


booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooom

B-)
Report mehmet j mook November 24, 2009 11:03 PM GMT
what you so pleased about? You were moaning last time and suggested it should be on the undercard!! :)

Jusr read thru the thread and had a little chuckle :)
Report comeonkautostar November 24, 2009 11:09 PM GMT
Yea, me too lol :^0

It won't be a main event or co-main event anyway. Probably the third fight on the main card.

I can't wait to see the outcome. Like I said, its one poor fighter against one washed up one.

And im boooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooming because we will get to see if it will have any effect at the top of any division.
Report ELG November 24, 2009 11:10 PM GMT
aye ya yie......
Report mehmet j mook November 25, 2009 12:32 AM GMT
bisping to pick him apart and leave him looking like Leben did after they fought.

What did you think of the Kang fight Kauto? Did you rate Kang before the fight? im not trying to have a go in anyway,im generally interested,i was round at mates watching it and wernt online so didnt really get on the 105 thread.
Report comeonkautostar November 26, 2009 5:30 PM GMT
Na mehmet, didnt rate him, don't rate him. Just another second rate fighter Bisping has faced. As usual UFC tried to build Kang up, talking abou how well known he is in Asian MMA, but that was a few years ago now. Bisping has fought one good fighter and got KO'd. If he can't beat a washed up Axe Murderer he has nowhere to go imo.
Report mehmet j mook November 26, 2009 7:39 PM GMT
fair enough,wernt trying 2 cause an argument,just wondered. Ive always thought kang was a decent fighter that would beat alot in the middle weight division without being up there with the best.

I think Bisping proved he is a good fighter against him,his cardio looked great and thought he did great from his back and his G+P was superb,you can tell from the thread we will both stand by our opinions! :)
Report sol_dave November 28, 2009 4:00 PM GMT
Kang is decent but makes poor decisions like playing a high guard whilst getting bombed on

Dont discount the weight for Wand could be a real struggle
Report mehmet j mook November 29, 2009 8:15 AM GMT
yeah could be a real problem for him,especially at his age and bispings cardio is outstanding,Bisping will be to quick for him imo and go on to win a unanimous decision.
Report comeonkautostar April 8, 2010 11:21 PM BST
The Axe Murderer's reward for beating Bisping is a shot at...........................................Akiyama. :|

Can I say I told you so over the Bisping/Silva fight having no bearing at all on any title picture? :p
Report mehmet j mook April 9, 2010 6:40 PM BST
:) I guess so,think i said in the thread where bisping fought wandy that you were right :)
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