A fred for sensible people to talk about the next Manager of Burnley

That statement reads to me like it's a done deal. And that they are going with a cheap option who will cost nothing or very little in compensation and who won't demand a big salary.

Time to move some green methinks

I think that rules out Sven

What are everyone's thoughts. Done deal for Laws? Hills have cut him to 1.57. Matter of time maybe before they all do. They won't be happy at the Moor though.

Templeton Peck 11 Jan 10:38
I'm awake but am too about to go out. And not confident enough that I'd know what to do. Lay everything or just the favourites?



I use the dutch calc on oddschecker but it only provides 12 selections. Often it will be necessary to lay for pennies at big odds to make the maths work. So I do the short odds and then get my calculator out and do the big ones.

Ernesto 11 Jan 13:48
What are everyone's thoughts. Done deal for Laws? Hills have cut him to 1.57. Matter of time maybe before they all do. They won't be happy at the Moor though.


I do not have the slightest clue Ernesto. However I note that SSN are talking about Laws so as a result he might be too short.

I want to have a big lay of Laws but the prospect of an imminent "breaking news on SSN" prevents me.

He just screams out "cheap option" to me. And "been around the block".

Experience has taught me that it's not me making the appointment though.

Thanks Alex.

http://www.htafc.com/page/NewsDetail/0,,10312~1928999,00.html#continue

Clark denies contact

CLARK - "I can't really make any comment because there is nothing to comment on," said Clark. "I have had no contact with Burnley, and my focus is on preparing the side for Saturday's game with Southend and the game against Bristol Rovers.

"I am concentrating on how we can do better in the second half of the season than we did in the first half."

What's with all these **g interviews?

Someone please tell them you simply select who you want and leave seductive message on his voicemail ffs

They're bigger guessers than us.

Wish every market was like this though. Complete no hopers being backed down to great lay prices.

No sorry, the no - hopers are being inerviewed.

£400 wanting to back at 2.34.

Timberrrrrrrrr

Again.

ernesto i advise caution

Sorry MW.

That was just exuberance at seeing a NMM like this with 7 faves at the last count. Especially after the Herculean trial of following the Next Scotland Manager Market.

I'm not following them in but your warning is well received. Ta.

If I feck my book up from it's current position I shall quit


(and I aint about to quit ;-) )

ernesto you there?

Yep.

All ears

hope you heeded the advice of caution when laying o'driscoll

how is your book looking

You don't want me to ask for Venables again? :D

You don't want me to ask for Venables again? :D

no need, these is all going swimmingly well

Provided you ask twice then I am ok with that Ernesto.

Mighty Whites 2008 11 Jan 21:06
how is your book looking


Jolly good. This is where the smart people are, so I expect no less.

we have a tel sighting


Hope you all took the young and hungry line. Has provided a fruitful harvest, O'driscoll and Clark both going nice and short

No Lasagna on trains yet though. :| Maybe there are no trains to Burnley.

trappatoni pmsl

Sorry chaps, bedtime issues. :D

Does El Tel know the East Lancs Road? I am cautious at the end game MW. Tony Adams taught me thaT. :(

I'm greener than the Jock Stein Stand, on the field

level verde with the three musketeers and then more for the nearside outsiders like Grayson and Curbs.

**ers green on some of the longshots and am still gutted that I missed out on the laddies palp with Steve rather than Lee Clarke.

Remember the site is down from midnight tonight.

I'm off to check the weather for the games tomorrow and shall pass on any postponement possibilities for more green action.

if the grayson train could get into gear then this could be my best ever.

It is good to know that Ernesto is getting it.

I have a date fixed for midnight.

From the Lancashire Telegraph

Meanwhile, the odds drastically shortened on West Ham United assistant manager Steve Clarke yesterday.

But while it is understood the 46-year-old, who was Jose Mourinho's number two at Chelsea, has designs on carving out a managerial career, he is believed to consider the vacancy at Turf Moor unsuitable for him at this time.

Errrrr no......

It was because some tw@t put Steve Clarke up on their main board rather than Lee Clark.

A great example of herd mentality and how prices are affected by rumours. This story has shoretened him again which of course I'm delighted with.

SSN reporting that a decision could be made in the next 24 hours and that it is between Laws and O Driscoll.


No view here on what to do yet, I am merely conveying what they are saying.

It is looking suspiciously like it could be O Driscoll. Can I bring myself to back? Nope.

Is it me or has the SSN ticker changed from them being the only ones on the shortlist to them just being on the shortlist? I've been out so come in mid-ticker.

Ah, I have Sky +.

It changed from SSN saying Burnley had shortlisted Laws and O'Driscoll to Laws and O'Driscoll being on the shortlist. A subtle but important difference?

I think the odds reflect the feeling of Burnley fans who clearly prefer O'Driscoll, whether the board will feel the same is a different story.

They obviously hold Laws in high regard, and he won't cost them anything. Personallly think it's evenmoney take your pick

sj

laws for me, easier and cheaper,

if it's down to 2..............although do not trust sky

Getting shorter...

O'D that is

A Sky reported noted that the Doncaster chairman is in the Caribbean so may be a little early for him to have given the go-ahead for anything.

Templeton Peck 12 Jan 12:18
A Sky reported noted that the Doncaster chairman is in the Caribbean so may be a little early for him to have given the go-ahead for anything.





Ah. Let's put this myth to bed.

I have done a number of deals with the Principal sitting next to his pool offshore. You don't need somebody to be physically present to seal a deal. Trust me.

I was thinking more of being awake. I'm not saying he's asleep but I wouldn't get out of bed at 7am to do something I didn't want to.

I may be reading this wrong, but has as much money been placed on O'Driscoll as has been placed on Lee Clark?

That does not matter does it TP?

Being awake to seal a deal or the amount of money placed on Clark/O'Driscoll?

Anything you like, you don't need somebody to be physically present to seal a deal and when a deal is occurring is is possible to go without sleep.

I was merely pointing out that it was much earlier in the morning for the Doncaster chairman than some may have been aware. Just posting some info.

I don't think I implied that because he wasn't physcially present then nothing could happen. I certainly didn't mean to imply that but I guess it depends on how you interprete the word 'early'.

No worries TP. We are friends here.

ODriscoll has been taken down to 1.04 by skybet. It is feeling as if this is a done deal to me.

From the BBC (and the football forum)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/b/burnley/8454402.stm

A morning off, a satisfactory conclusion and no temptation to fiddle with my book.

Even no though still a drift on his price. I suppose it's more unusual having a public shortlist of two.

The reaction to Laws on the Burnley Messageboards couldn't have done him any favours though.

Alex the old wrinkled retainer 12 Jan 13:52

No worries TP. We are friends here.

ODriscoll has been taken down to 1.04 by skybet. It is feeling as if this is a done deal to me.


I'm seeing 1.29?

Alex the old wrinkled retainer 12 Jan 13:52
No worries TP. We are friends here.

Yes, I probably just didn't make myself clear enough.

I think Mr Ryan has just woken up. ;)

That was me taking O Driscoll out from 1.7 to 2.0+. It did need a lot of bucks to do it.

** not need.

I'm not closely following this market, last time I looked he was sub 1.20. Was just surprised to see him over 2.00.

skybet have a smart compliler, imo. If they take their price out to 1.8 then there is only one thing to do.

SOD shorting now

An unexpected twist.

Great prices if you know who it is.

I suspect Burnley may not know at the moment.

any names ernesto

I cannot work this one out. If you can then you are a better man than me gunga din.

I am not convinced that it is SOD.

Nice abbreviation too, I thought.

No I'm still holding out for "The Third Man".

The press have called this wrongly today and for me these prices say that both camps think their man has it.

I'm looking at the recent names that have been thrown up, namely Ince and MacKay. It was Ian McGarry who came up with the Mackay piece in the Sun so have shifted a little piece of green to them.

The sky doorstepping of Kilby in the carpark was pretty uneventful beyond the phrase, "we're still interviewing". That could mean 2nd interviews with Laws and SoD or it could mean someone else. Time yet for another plunge as this is a very jittery market. I'd hope that this is dragged out to 10pm when tomorrows papers are out.

Magilton just matched at 42.0 so I don't think it'll take much to spook the market. From what I see on the main forum, people are taking a green position on one candidate to the detriment of the other and then attempting to justfiy that. If someone else comes along they would have to jump on.

16.35 Nixon

Yes, Laws 'has been' interviewed.

He is also 'being' interviewed again right now.

So it's at the interview stage...

And O'Driscoll isn't past the post as Sky have been suggesting.

In fact it wouldn't shock me if we had a double Devon Loch here.


17.08 Nixon

The plot thickens.

A third manager had a call BETWEEN the two interviews today.

Nixon is just having a betfair w@nk innit

he is pretty reliable if you ask me.

It may very well be the 3rd man. I have not seen a market like this before. First we get Lambert backed short with no real purpose and now we appear to have a two horse race. Neither with much purpose either.


It is a jungle it is. A jungle. ;)

My guess is that Ernesto is right. The Burnley hierarchy don't know who it is either.

Mighty Whites 2008 12 Jan 18:09
he is pretty reliable if you ask me.

point a. still stands in spite of this

well if you had a choice between laws and o'driscoll wouldn't you be looking for a third way

IM if you have it Mr Brush. I have a laughable exchange.

Are we about to have Lee Clark be the first contestant in tonights "Price is Right"

"Come on down Lee !"

Pearson installed as 3rd favourite with SkyBet, albeit at 17.

is this latest for REAL! or a hoax

Not seen any confirmation...yet

lot of different people think it's kosha

Sky have flipped it too but no confirmation anywhere else.

Remember BBC Sheffield said he was nailed on earlier today.

What's the news? Looks like anti-SOD news rather than pro-Laws?

Yes. Lay SOD is wot I figured. But I don't know what to back.

Don't ignore Pearson right at the bottom.

I see no proof of this story on the main board.

Apparently on look north he's turned it down but this hasn't been picked up on the Doncaster messageboard or Burnley.
This could be a ramp to get a better price.

Good spot Erny

I'm not ignoring Pearson but I may have had something to do with him appearing :-)

That was after S ky had cut him though.

Yes, I emailed them for Pearson before I posted on here about him appearing on Sky.

Still no confirmation of O'Driscoll.

Anybody seen anything?

Nothing of note. Consensus seems ramp.

I do note the comparison being made by Burnley fans between Megson and Laws, i.e. fans against the appointment and won't give him a chance. Surely Burnley can't make the same mistake as Bolton...

Since Davis left, who is actually in charge of team affairs?

Nixon?

:D

I can see absolutely no confirmation of this Look North story anywhere.

I can't see the appointment being confirmed tonight now

It was a serious question though Ern. Get them added. The 10 game clock starts ticking soon

They're on.

Martin Dobson and Graham Alexander

I see. I'm really clued up now

GSM - I couldn't have had a worse day if I'd tried :(

sj

Sod's law ;-)

laws done deal

There's a story in the Lancs telegraph published an hour ago which has now been pulled.

http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/4847659.It_s_D_Day_for_Clarets_in_boss_hunt/

Wonder what it said?

I've laid some of my green from Laws as I always try to do when the winner goes very low.

Shame I didn't do the same on SoD :(

Might be a clue here as to whey SoD was a shoe - in but then the about turn.

He was in for the Preston job before Ferguson was appointed but the fee was too much (and they took a "free" manager.

The fee for Preston - £150,000
Burnley £1,000,000 ?

Any chance Burnley's board are on the phone to Donny just now asking them to lower their fee?

http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Preston-set-to-move-for-Doncaster-manager-Sean-O-Driscoll-article272059.html

The SOD pile-in always looked odd to me, from the timing (for which I was belittled) to the relatively low level of money for a 1.20 shot.

Yet I've not played this market at all well. Think I'll stick to what I know best for now and just have pennies on these markets until I understand how they work.

Have the courage of your convictions TP. That's what I do. Then I change my mind ten minutes later

Seriously though, the last two results of these have told us yet again. Never rule anyone one.

Especially George Graham

Post 5 on the Sensible Burnley thread

Significant former players are Owen Coyle and Peter Reid.

Post 5 on the Sensible Burnley thread

Notable former players

Steve Davis(current first team coach) , Brian Laws, Mike Phelan.

Got to cover these significantly in future especially with the smaller EPL teams.

Also,

Last 10 appointments in England in the EPL and Championship

Coyle Bolton - Comp paid
Laws - Burnley - Free
Irvine - SW- Free
Ferguson - PNE - Free
Mancini - Free (maybe didn't matter though :D )
Hart - QPR - Free
Mariner - Plymouth - Free in situ (no fee before his initial appointment)
Grant - Pompey- Free in situ (no fee before his initial appointment)
Cooper- Posh- Compo to Kettering (minimal surely)
Strachan - Boro - Free

This is why I always make a point of reading your stuff.