NFL Week 9

Game of the week without doubt. I find Carolina a difficult team to have clear thoughts on. Defence is very good, but I am always concerned that the inability of their offence to move the ball, or their habit of turning over the ball, leads to their defence wearing down. Newton makes remarkable plays with his legs, but some of his throws,have me shaking my head. It's a strange thing, but despite their record, I don't consider them potential winners come February. I have similar thoughts about Cincy, despite having a number of bets on them to win their division. I cannot have them on the podium with the Lombardi Trophy,at the finish up.

Hi Swardean  - My contenders would be Green Bay Seattle Denver New England - hardly an original list I know but I would for example much prefer Seattle to Arizona, as potential winners. I consider Indy to be contenders, simply because they have Andrew Luck , his form so far this season is an obvious concern, but I don't think you can ever write off a QB who can take over games like he can. Dallas are highly unlikely to make the play offs, but if they did they could be dangerous. They are playing great defence, and Jason Garrett has really impressed me, with the way he has coached the team, in difficult circumstances

Packers defence not good enough for me---my early fancy for Superbowl--but was shocked how San Diego easily moved the ball in Green Bay and it was the same at Denver

It's not a massive mystery Carolina are underdogs versus GB is it? Their 7-0 is comprised as follows:

Jags
Texans
Saints
Buccs
Seahawks
Eagles
Colts

You'd only really argue that the Seahawks are a top team from that list (agreed the Eagles have improved from their sorry start) and the fact is the Seahawks are not what they were in '13-'14 and GB have themselves beaten the Seahawks.  So, yes, Carolina are clearly a useful side but they're not totally dominant against average teams so they're not an elite team Denver, Green Bay, New England, Cinci, Arizona - have all been more impressive this year.
So the 7-0 is a bit of a trick in my view.  Obvs Carolina could win v GB; I'm sure it will be close and a good game, but the 7-0 is not evidence for much imo.

I have backed Cleveland getting 11 in tonight's game. The key to this bet, is Cincy coming off a very highly charged win, on a short week. They really dislike the Steelers, both because of on field events like the 2005 play off game, and in a broader sense because they have largely lived in the shadow of the team with most Lombardis. As a consequence , to go on the road and beat them is huge, and I think Cincy  may well be a little flat tonight. Add that to the fact that Cleveland are by no means a bad team, who will relish a shot at their Ohio rivals unbeaten record, and I think you have the makings of a really good bet.

Anyone know if there is any golf tips flying around

Like the packers here. Would expect them to focus on the run and a few more dink and dunk type plays this week. Defence does concern me, however think they just have the edge

oh my bad! its 3-0!

Agreed, It's hard when it isn't functioning to not just put the ball in rodgers hands.

Capers three man rush on 3rd and long is ALWAYS a disaster....why does he keep doing it

WTF were the Packers defense doing there.  Some poor play to allow that 50 yrd pass.  In fact BRUTAL

17-7 coming in

like a knife through butter

Packers defense is shockingly Bad

....I know its not mathematics  but Colts at 2.9 (who went to overtime away to Panthers), at home to Broncos whose price is weighted by their Packer win - may be good value, based on what we are seeing here.

Already done Colts on hcap Wallflower

Minus 1 drive this has been shocking from the pack

most bigged up team in NFL..not a hope in hell of winning any SB

Now it's apparently how bad the Packers are. Panthers getting no respect here still.

Forget his injury, Lacy has had a number of fumbles this season.