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db1974
02 Jan 14 15:52
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Good move for the Bears IMO

Cutler is one of the Top 10 QBs in the League and certainly in the 2nd tier behind the likes of Brady, Manning, Rodgers, Brees

I would have that 2nd tier as

Ben Roethlisberger
Andrew Luck
Philip Rivers
Eli Manning
Tony Romo
Jay Cutler
Matt Stafford
Cam Newton
Matt Ryan
Colin Kaepernick
Russell Wilson

What I mean by 2nd tier is a bunch of guys where there is little or no difference by swapping any of those guys for any other while obviously you would take any of the Top 4 guys ahead of any of the guys in the 2nd tier

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By:
DirkDiggler
When: 02 Jan 14 16:18
You just beat me to it, awful deal IMO. Top 10?

Manning, Brady, Brees, BR, Rivers, Luck, Manning 2, Newton, Ryan, Wilson, Kap, Romo. I'd also take Foles and even Mike Glennon right now. Both these guys have upside, JC has none.

Cutlers' outside the top 10 IMO, he's in Flacco/Dalton territory @ best. It looks like he got a dumber deal than Average Joe got. It can't be for $20M ish a season surely? Can it?

His QB rating for his career is only 84.6, and he's already 30, Flacco was a couple of years younger at least, his QB rating a little lower @ 83.7.


If i'm looking for a QB Cutler fails in three key areas - Age/Upside, Leadership, and he's Romo-esque, you're just sat waiting for the key mistake. He's who he is, if i'm a Bears' fan, I have my head in my hands now.
By:
Hank Hill
When: 02 Jan 14 16:21
Not a fan of the deal myself. Stick with McCown and trade Cutler. I don't see a huge upside in this deal. As a Texans fan though I have my own worries Laugh
By:
DirkDiggler
When: 02 Jan 14 16:24
Yes Hank, better option would have been Mcown and groom a young QB behind him. There's more flexibility there and less commitment from the Bears end.
By:
DirkDiggler
When: 02 Jan 14 16:25
I think you might have Johnny football coming your way Hank.
By:
Hank Hill
When: 02 Jan 14 16:28
That would be amazing DD. Gutted that the longhorns passed up the chance to have him and play Case McCoy instead Cry
By:
DirkDiggler
When: 02 Jan 14 16:34
It would be a huge marketing deal for the Texans' to get him straight from A and M. There's no clear #1 QB prospect like Luck this year, I'd much rather take a shot on him than Bridgewater. I've seen him make endless insane plays, whether that carries over or not who knows? whether he can take the pounding he's going to get in the NFL is another who knows? too.

However, the stats show that guys with 3-4 years starting exp. generally do better than those with less.
By:
Hank Hill
When: 02 Jan 14 16:47
Yep marketing wise it would be massive. Houston obviously has some college teams - Houston, Rice etc, but make no mistake Houston is a big A&M area too. Did you know he is from an uber wealthy oil family?
By:
DirkDiggler
When: 02 Jan 14 17:54
No I didn't Hank, no surprise though.
By:
DirkDiggler
When: 02 Jan 14 17:57
http://espn.go.com/chicago/nfl/story/_/id/10231142/jay-cutler-chicago-bears-signs-7-year-contract


Recent big QB deals.

Sounds like Cutler's deal exceeds most of them in some respects.
By:
ClayDavis
When: 02 Jan 14 18:57
He's not even the best QB on a the team ffs. Cutler is a cretin. Bears will regret
By:
incaseof
When: 02 Jan 14 22:17
18m a year is sick for Cutler. Sure that O has great weapons and Bears simply knew they needed a decent qb to stay a top 8 O, but Bears could probably sign McCown two years for a total of 8m and do something about that horrible D.
By:
TexassportsagentBuzz
When: 03 Jan 14 00:57
i don't like Cutler at all but this deal was forced on them. There are no good free agent qb's and they don't have a good enough draft pick to select a decent replacement. McCown is good but he is 35 they cant build around him
By:
incaseof
When: 03 Jan 14 22:31
A guy like Matt Moore is good enough to do decent things with this high talented O or Matt Flynn and those would be 3-4m a year players. Sure I agree the right was to keep Cutler but more around 12m á year and absolutely not 54m guaranteed.

Next question really is would any other team pay over 15m á year for Cutler?
By:
DirkDiggler
When: 04 Jan 14 11:43
A guy like Matt Moore is good enough to do decent things with this high talented O or Matt Flynn


They're not though. Flynn has proven that over and over again. What has Matt Moore ever done?

As dumb as this deal is for Chicago IMO, neither of these guys are the answer to anything.
By:
incaseof
When: 04 Jan 14 14:57
What is Cutler answer for? 9-7 seasons 4000yds and lots of poor picks? Flynn has proven when he plays that he's a smart QB, Matt Moore has two good season when he took over job mid-season.

Obvious they arent answer for a SB run but giving Cutler that kind of deal you have locked your self up for at least three year with a QB that can't take next step and now taking up big cap numbers.
By:
DirkDiggler
When: 04 Jan 14 16:26
Ah, so now the QB is entirely responsible for the teams record? The Bears' are 9-7 because their defense is absolutely ATROCIOUS.


Tell me how Matt Flynn and Matt Moore are going to take the Bears' anywhere?


Matt Moore had two good seasons? Not really, he had half a good season, and then a good 13 games. He's a career backup, at best. Flynn? a one game wonder that couldn't win a starting job in Seattle, Oakland or even Buffalo?

That decision to stay in bounds and fumbles vs the Steelers' wasn't too smart. He's the poster boy for NOT overpaying a backup QB a ton of money based on a very small sample size.

There's a reason these two guys aren't starting, it's because they're not starters, I have lost track of the amount of Matt Cassels I have seen. Cutler for all his faults is still head and shoulders better.


I strongly suggest if Matt Moore had ever been given a real starting job for any length of time he would have flopped the way Flynn did.
By:
incaseof
When: 04 Jan 14 22:26
I didn't talk about Jay Cutler this year, he is a average QB who plays for typical 9-7, 8-8 teams because he cant take them to the next step. He has a 56-48 career record as a starter.

And I said Moore took over mid season and I have no doubt that a guy like Moore would have good numbers with Bears O.

And no I'm not trying to say Cutler isn't head and shoulders better.
By:
incaseof
When: 04 Jan 14 22:28
...he sure is..but for 18m a year you can get a QB like Moore, a great safety and a good linebacker and a nickel corner for example...
By:
GoBallistic
When: 04 Jan 14 23:11
If you spend 10-15% of your cap on a QB at least that shows an understanding of what wins in the NFL.  I'd rather be spending that money on Cutler than Peppers
By:
incaseof
When: 04 Jan 14 23:23
Yeah if he is elite or just below ready to take next step! You rather paying average QB like Cutler than a top 5 defensive player (when he was signed)?
By:
GoBallistic
When: 04 Jan 14 23:35
Sure. If I'm a GM or HC and my job basically depends on it then of course I'm going to get a guy that should at least get me to 8-8 every year.  What's the alternative ? It's not like they have an early draft pick next year.  If they'd passed then I'm pretty confident Cutler would be earning even more somewhere else.
By:
incaseof
When: 04 Jan 14 23:48
They could have used  franchise tag, Josh Mccown or whoever in free agents or a draft pick it's not like you need a early draft pick to take a chance (Kaep, Wilson, Glennon, Foles, Dalton).

I seriously doubt anyone would give Cutler anything close to that maybe a big short term contract but no way 54m guarantee
By:
Wallflower
When: 09 Jan 14 19:41
I think Teaxas... and Go Ballistic are right.

My immediate reaction was, this is crazy, but when you think about it.......

If any of us was GM or HC of the Bears - what would we do instead?

Here's the crux of the problem for them: we can't think long or even medium term unfortunately.....I won't be here. Who is the best QB I can get to get me success in the next 1-3 years? While Cutler is not "elite", he's good enough to get me to the play-offs if I can get the defense together ( a problem distinct from QB). Although the rookies don't have the same mega-money as in previous years, they will still cost a lot, and the year's crop are far from guaranteed to succeed quickly, anyway a whole pile of teams  Texans, Jags, Raiders, Browns, Vikings ahead of me in the queue.

May not like it - but I would definitely sign Cutler, but I'm sure I could have done it more cheaply (admittedly I don't know how it is structured / guaranteed money etc)...... the more I think about it, don't really have a lot of options.
By:
DirkDiggler
When: 11 Jan 14 20:03
My immediate reaction was, this is crazy, but when you think about it.......

If any of us was GM or HC of the Bears - what would we do instead?




I tend to agree, done a little bit of a 180 here, not a 180 but 90 at least. The point you make WF 'What else do you do?' is a good one. If you don't have an elite QB, we know who they are, a franchise QB - Ben, Rivers, Eli, or an up and comer Luck, Newton RG, Kap, Wilson - what do you do? - Draft one? You could, but the Bears aren't THAT far away, neither are they drafting THAT high. I would not want Cutler on my team, but there's loads of worse alternatives, you COULD if you could find one go down the Matt Flynn route, and try and obtain Kirk Cousins. but that route is as shaky as Matt Flynn or Matt Cassel - who wants them now?


Rock and hard place for the Bears, Cutler worked well with Trestman, he's proven to be at least a good NFL QB - the money? it's too much per year, but you they could get out of it at some point. He has got a very strong arm, he can throw the ball I don't care what anyone says, he can make  all the throws. He lacks intangibles, but you can't coach them anyway.

The options are no better I agree on that. Maybe the Bears could what the Steelers have done with Ben, after some teething problems with Haley, he's now working out the 2 minute a lot, ball comes out quicker with shorter routes, now becoming a field general type like TB and Manning - what you could do with Cutler is let him run the offense a bit, if its on more on his shoulders he might make smarter decisions - he might become a bit more of a leader, worth a try his body language is poor though, Ben's wasn't. Worth a try.

At the end of the day (groan) he's a gunslinger in the Favrre mould, whether you can alter than 1/100th of a second it takes to decide on a risky throw I don't know.

Ben can read defenses, while obviously I would not put him in TB and PM class with this, the offense took off when he began calling his own plays (and improved o-line improved obv.) Cutler has weapons, maybe you try something a bit different?

When you have an instinctive/gunslinger type QB, is the right move to shackle him? or let him call the offense a bit, and play to his natural talents without the straight jacket on?
By:
TexassportsagentBuzz
When: 23 Nov 14 19:15
Getting blanked by the Buccaneers Laugh that is bad even for Jay.  48 pass yards so far, almost at half time.
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