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Ratbag
21 Mar 10 21:53
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I love my baseball, I love betting, and I make consistent money betting on cricket.

I know that I don't know enough about baseball to make money - I've never bet on it up to now exceptenners for interest, but undoubtedly some of you guys will. Would anyone care to give me a few pointers ?

I'm quite prepared to put the legwork in to develop a ratings system, even if it takes a few months to get it to even thinking about anything other than paper trading.

Any offers ? O'Dwyer need not apply.
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Report orioles March 21, 2010 9:23 PM GMT
Few sports are statistically dissected more minutely than baseball.

You can try this

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Baseball-Hacks-Joseph-Adler/dp/0596009429/ref=wl_it_...

for a sense of how to analyse the game and then it's a question of getting to know baseball to get a feel for gambling on it. Game favourites are typically short on value and can be the route to the poor house. Try starting with betting totals and again, if in doubt, take on the herd.

Good luck.
Report Ratbag March 21, 2010 9:26 PM GMT
Thanks, have ordered it plus the Tom Tango one that has been mentioned to me.
Report Ratbag March 21, 2010 9:27 PM GMT
Just by the by, I'm seeing the Las Vegas 51's (Toronto's AAA side) in a couple of weeks, and I'm interviewing one of their players (as yet undecided which) for a magzine article.

I'm currently trying to get their PR guy to let me take an hour's practise with them for the article, which would be a laugh too.
Report orioles March 21, 2010 9:37 PM GMT
Nice one.

If you ever get an interview with The Norfolk Tides, let me know and I'll be your bag carrier ;)
Report Ratbag March 21, 2010 9:40 PM GMT
Without wishing to sound too dim, where's Norfolk ? Virginia rings a bell ...
Report Sexual Harassment Panda March 21, 2010 9:55 PM GMT
Choose the team that you think will win and bet on the other.
Report Umbo Mangoman March 21, 2010 10:11 PM GMT
Ratbag JP Arencibia and Brad Mills are probably the 2 of the top players in that roster I think
Report Whyyy..ssoooo...sssseriouss? March 21, 2010 10:44 PM GMT
pitching, pitching, and pitching
Report SwindonBoy March 22, 2010 12:51 AM GMT
yep all on the pitcher, so funny when think back to early days playing on it, would watch the angels destory, say the A'S, then the next night i'd back them against the A's again and they'd get hammered and wonder what the hell was going on lol
Report Ratbag March 22, 2010 12:09 PM GMT
Cheers Umbo, although the first criterion is going to be someone who's articulate and hopefully funny. After that, ideally someone who's had experience of the major leagues or is likely to this year would be key. The angle of the story will be what it's like to live in Vegas, since it's for a magazine called Gambling.
Report NBK March 22, 2010 12:51 PM GMT
SHP's advice sounds about right lol
Report curlywurly March 22, 2010 1:13 PM GMT
baseball is not a sport to venture into imo if you want to play inrunning
unsocial hours, massive time disadvantage, poor liquidity etc

unless you're from canada of course,then a 5 year old could turn a profit
Report Ratbag March 22, 2010 1:19 PM GMT
How poor is the liquidity in running ? And is there nothing at all on non-TV games ?
Report Reg Blood March 22, 2010 1:22 PM GMT
Brett Wallace (picked up in the Halladay trade) and Brian Dopirak would be worthy of an interview as well.
Report curlywurly March 22, 2010 1:30 PM GMT
Ratbag 22 Mar 14:19


How poor is the liquidity in running ? And is there nothing at all on non-TV games ?


it's pretty bad, there's generally money about, but rarely at a sensible price, spreads of 1.6-1.7 are fairly common
the non tv games can be better than the tv games, depends who's on
mlbtv is a must
Report tai671 March 22, 2010 9:04 PM GMT
Most of the non-televised games, particularly the late west coast games have zero liquidity most of the way through, until people want to back/lay 1.01 late in the game. If you're wanting to bet £5 a time you could probably get sensible prices, but anything more and you'll struggle, unless Betfair recruit a lot of in-play baseball punters from somewhere.
Report Ratbag March 23, 2010 5:52 AM GMT
When you say non-televised, I presume you mean ESPN ?
Report curlywurly March 23, 2010 8:05 AM GMT
no, non televised means using mlbtv
Report Ratbag March 23, 2010 8:20 AM GMT
I meant if you're talking non-televised, you mean not on ESPN. Every game's on Mlbtv, right ?
Report curlywurly March 23, 2010 8:27 AM GMT
yeah, sorry misunderstood, that's right, mlbtv is as fast if not faster than espn, so it's invaluable.
don't know why i'm trying to put you off, the more the merrier, there's still money to be made, but it wont be easy though.
Report Ratbag March 23, 2010 8:32 AM GMT
If i get myself organised properly, I think setup and paper trading for a couple of months - assuming it takes a month or two before that to get enough data logged for the new season.

Pinn*cle available too for good overrounds.
Report Reg Blood March 23, 2010 1:49 PM GMT
Match book
Report Ratbag March 23, 2010 3:10 PM GMT
They're also betting toa good perceentage on baseball ?
Report themightymac March 24, 2010 5:19 PM GMT
You`re wasting your time developing statistical systems. The best way to pick the winner of a Baseball match is

EENY MEENY MINY MOE ............
Report GPT March 25, 2010 10:42 AM GMT
That's about right it must be the most unpredictable sport to bet on.
Report grahamwestleyisthemessiah March 26, 2010 11:11 AM GMT
I adopted Swing of the Quad cities (now the Quad Cities river bandits) cos I loved the name. Id like to go to Davenport, Iowa where they are based
Report Ratbag April 12, 2010 5:21 PM BST
Just for info for anyone who's interested, I ended up interviewing Kyle Phillips, Catcher and Infielder.

He played a few games for Toronto last year - got his first hit off Verlander - but is mostly famous this year for, in a spring training game this year, throwing the ball back to the pitcher and accidentally wanging it striaght into the ear of the batter. ESPN picke dit up and showed the world, how embarrassing ...
Report Reg Blood April 13, 2010 10:38 AM BST
Shame you couldn't get one of the prospects to talk to you. As a Jays fan I would've been very interested to read about Wallace or JP Arencibia.
Still, a good day out none the less.
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