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15 Dec 09
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if eagles, giants, cowgirls all somehow finish level at 10-6 and all 4-2 in the division who wins the division? i think it goes on games against each other but that would be level too, so i guess next up is results against common opponents and i really dont want to go through the schedules working it out if i can help it.
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is it not points for and against - i am not 100% though
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conference record?
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eagles have beaten giants twice so they hold the tiebreaker over them. If Cowboys beat Eagles in Wk 17 they will have beaten them twice and have the tiebreaker over them. Giants have beaten Cowboys twice so they hold tiebreaker over them. Conference record would be tied only if Eagles 10th win came against the Broncos. After that it comes down to common opponant so it will be who did best against the NFC South & AFC West.
Luckily it wont come to that as the Eagles will destroy the 49ers next week and will likely beat the Broncos the week after. |
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common games is currently
cowboys 6-2 (saints/skins to come) eagles 6-3 (broncos) giants 5-3 (skins/panthers) |
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But Jollop is right - Eagles will beat 49s, then the Broncos before going all the way to the Superbowl :)
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in my first post above i should say, i worked this out myself early monday morning after the eagles/giants gae so its not official and may not be correct (but i think it is)
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To be 10-6 overall AND 4-2 for the division:
Dallas would have to lose to the Saints and beat Skins & Eagles Eagles would have to lose to Cowboys and win one of their remaining 2 games (Broncos & 49ers) Giants would have to win out (obviously!) The divison would then be decided on common games which is effectively the 8 matches against the AFC West & the NFC South Scenario 1 - Eagles lose to Broncos & beat 49ers Eagles finish 4-4 in those 8 matches Giants finish 5-3 in those 8 matches Cowboys finish 5-3 in those 8 matches Eagles are then eliminated from the 3-way tie and the Giants top the division by virtue of the fact that they beat the Cowboys twice Scenario 2 - Eagles lose to 49ers & beat Broncos All 3 teams finish 5-3 from the 8 matches The division is then decided by conference record All 3 teams finish 8-4 in games against the NFC The next tiebreaker is strength of victory which is basically the combined record of every team which a team beats The "quick" way of calculating this is to ignore divisonal matches and the teams which all 3 teams beat or lost to - ie Non-common victories eg - if they all beat Carolina then Carolina's standings are irrelevant So the team records to IGNORE are Carolina Panthers New Orleans Saints Kansas City Chiefs Tampa Bay Buccaneers San Diego Chargers Atlanta Falcons All divisional games Following this process: Non-common victories are Eagles beat Bears & Broncos who have a combined record of 13-13 Giants beat Raiders & Vikings who have a combined record of 15-11 Cowboys beat Raidesr & Seahawks who have a combined record of 9-17 Here's the killer for Giants fans Cowboys are eliminated because they have the worst record We then revert back to Step 1 in the tiebreak process to determine who tops the divison and ther Eagesl win out because they will have beaten the Giants twice. I'm going for a lie-down now |
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thanks for that db - i was counting the gmes against the redskins as common games - i suppose in hindsight it makes sense that it is common games that are not divisional games
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Well you only ignore the divisional games because they all beat the Skins twice
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Yep I follow it now
Its still all academic though ;-) |
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Makes the 16/1 for the Giants to win the division (Tote & BaldFred) look big though!
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I thought the strength of Schdule tie break related to last years standings in relation to who had a harder schedule this season, I think strength of victory would relate to this season W-L RECORD! NFL have this to say.
TO BREAK A TIE WITHIN A DIVISION If, at the end of the regular season, two or more clubs in the same division finish with identical won-lost-tied percentages, the following steps will be taken until a champion is determined. Two Clubs Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games between the clubs). Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference. Strength of victory. Strength of schedule. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed. Best net points in common games. Best net points in all games. Best net touchdowns in all games. Coin toss Three or More Clubs (Note: If two clubs remain tied after third or other clubs are eliminated during any step, tie breaker reverts to step 1 of the two-club format). Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games among the clubs). Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference. Strength of victory. Strength of schedule. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed. Best net points in common games. Best net points in all games. Best net touchdowns in all games. Coin toss |
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Strength of Victory is ahead of Strength of Schedule in the procedures
I have calculated it based on SoV Each team will have won 10 games but we can ignore 8 of those wins for SoV purposes because they won't affect the SoV calculation |
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simple as that then hey!
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i remember a few years back thinking the wrong team had made the playoffs out of i think dolphins and jets, because one of them had beat the other twice. but cos 3 teams were level and they were all level in games between those 3, the 2-0 team went out and the 0-2 team went through. took me ages to get my head around that lol.
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