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Welterweight     Stephen Thompson     vs.     Darren Till                
Welterweight     Neil Magny     vs.     Craig White                
Featherweight     Arnold Allen     vs.     Mads Burnell                
Featherweight     Jason Knight     vs.     Makwan Amirkhani                
Welterweight     Cláudio Silva     vs.     Nordine Taleb                
Middleweight     Eric Spicely     vs.     Darren Stewart

           
Preliminary card (Fox Sports 1)

Middleweight     Dan Kelly     vs.     Tom Breese                
Welterweight     Brad Scott     vs.     Carlo Pedersoli Jr.                
Women's Bantamweight     Gina Mazany     vs.     Lina Länsberg                
Women's Flyweight     Gillian Robertson     vs.     Molly McCann


Looking forward to this one!

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By:
Topboys
When: 26 May 18 13:29
Till missing weight. Begged for UFC in Liverpool. Begged for a top opponent. Gets his wishes and then misses weight fr 3.5lb. Very very amateurish IMO
By:
wisewords
When: 26 May 18 20:18
I still can't believe he missed weight. He's lucky the fight is still going ahead.
By:
Topboys
When: 27 May 18 12:27
Read somewhere fighters who have missed the cut but still been able to fight this year have a 6-0 record. Just seems so unfair. If Thompson loses this know Till will have Thompson on his record. People will forget about the weight cut. Thompson now is fighting someone who will be a weight class above him when rehydrated. Till will lose 30% of his cut but in the long run this won't effect him one bit at all if he gets Thompson on his record.

Just seems unfair.
By:
Topboys
When: 27 May 18 12:27
Tried to get tickets for this and it was virtually impossible as well
By:
razz
When: 27 May 18 13:22
till getting a slice of kama after bragging about how big he is compared to the other welterweights, also he was eating cake and drinking coke a couple weeks ago. said he would "definitely" make weight the day before. his wife had to go to hospital while pregnant which could of hampered his cut but i dont buy it.
By:
razz
When: 27 May 18 13:24

May 27, 2018 -- 7:27AM, Topboys wrote:


Read somewhere fighters who have missed the cut but still been able to fight this year have a 6-0 record. Just seems so unfair. If Thompson loses this know Till will have Thompson on his record. People will forget about the weight cut. Thompson now is fighting someone who will be a weight class above him when rehydrated. Till will lose 30% of his cut but in the long run this won't effect him one bit at all if he gets Thompson on his record.Just seems unfair.


yep that's right, but I think all of those fighters basically gave up cutting as they knew they weren't going to make it, so stopped their cut to get an advantage. till looked really bad the day before the weigh ins and has just had to cut weight and weigh in a 2nd time in 2 days which is TERRIBLE for your body. he just weighed 188lbs an hour or 2 ago, so couldn't fully hydrate after the failed cut yesterday.

By:
Topboys
When: 27 May 18 13:50
I was going to back Thompson yesterday @ 2.2 but thought I'd wait until today to see if there was a price shift from the Scousers backing Till. Because of what has happened Thompson is now @ 1.7 so missed the boat
By:
razz
When: 27 May 18 14:27
i think WB shortening was before the weigh ins, could of been leaked that till was having a tough cut, or could of been a bounce from till shortening so much from 2.5 a few days back.
By:
razz
When: 27 May 18 15:31
lol, molly mccann choked unconscious, twitching like a fish in front of her home crowd, pretty embarrassing after missing weight.
By:
razz
When: 27 May 18 19:15
**** you arnold allen, ruined my event with that comeback. 7 unit swing on that fight..
By:
wisewords
When: 27 May 18 19:28
Scared razz
By:
wisewords
When: 27 May 18 19:29
main event time!
By:
razz
When: 27 May 18 19:45
was up over 3u, so could of been worse
By:
wisewords
When: 27 May 18 20:07
THE GORILLA!
By:
razz
When: 27 May 18 23:37
not the best fight, but interesting. both looked good i thought, was starting to nod off but i had wonderboy winning, but obviously the crowd edged some of the judges i think.
By:
razz
When: 27 May 18 23:38
worst event of the year for me. 4u loss in total. still a good year so far though.
By:
Topboys
When: 27 May 18 23:53
Didn't see the fight but just seens Tills post fight press conference.

"**** all the doubters"

Nah. Maybe make weight and the doubters wouldn't have been doubters.


Like I said. Him missing weight will all be forgotten about on the promotion train. Pisses me off
By:
wisewords
When: 28 May 18 18:53
UFC were never going to give Wonderboy the decision in a close fight, with Till fighting and home and drawing such a big turnout and generating such a hyped atmosphere
By:
wisewords
When: 28 May 18 18:53
fighting at home*
By:
wisewords
When: 28 May 18 18:55
Wonderboy would have had to scored at least 2 knockdowns, or choked him out. Wonderboy gave the impression of being on the defensive for 5 rounds. I know he was countering, but the fight wasn't on neutral ground. Wonderboy had to make it clear he won to get the nod, and he didn't do that. It also doesn't help him that his fights against Woodley were terrible so the UFC don't want him at #1 because they clearly don't want to put on Woodley v Wonderboy 3
By:
Topboys
When: 28 May 18 20:00
Peoples reviews of the fight was that it was basically a sparring session. Too many fist bumps after rounds etc. Agree with the Thompson review. I like Thompson as a fighter but away from home you can't afford to be defensive/standing off like you said. Got to show some intiative
By:
razz
When: 28 May 18 20:18
dana won't let him stay at ww if he misses again, I imagine he will get one more chance at ww, it is possible he would of made it if his wife wasnt rushed into hospital during the cut and then all of this bad press towards him wouldn't exist. regardless he won't be able to stay at ww for many more years, he'll have to move up eventually anyway as he grows more.
By:
razz
When: 28 May 18 20:39

May 28, 2018 -- 1:53PM, wisewords wrote:


UFC were never going to give Wonderboy the decision in a close fight, with Till fighting and home and drawing such a big turnout and generating such a hyped atmosphere


ufc?

By:
razz
When: 28 May 18 20:41
wasn't just wonderboy who was defensive, it's a chess match, till is normally much more aggressive and really the onus was on him to be more aggressive in front of his home crowd.
By:
wisewords
When: 28 May 18 22:49

May 28, 2018 -- 3:39PM, razz wrote:


May 28, 2018 --  7:53PM, wisewords wrote:UFC were never going to give Wonderboy the decision in a close fight, with Till fighting and home and drawing such a big turnout and generating such a hyped atmosphereufc?


you don't think the UFC control the judges?

By:
wisewords
When: 28 May 18 22:51
why do you think we get so many hometown judging decisions? it's in the UFC's interest that the hometown fans go home happy and therefore very likely to attend next time there's an event in that location
By:
wisewords
When: 28 May 18 22:51
we see it alot in Brazil also. it's just the way things work
By:
razz
When: 29 May 18 01:15
lol, ufc have no control of the udges, they are very outspoken of the athletic commissions that employ a lot of these judges. the reason a lot of hometown guys get decisions is simply that a huge % of judges are unfit for the job. many have no mma training experience, limited to NO training in many of the martial arts that make up mma, and are easilly influenced by fans cheering for hometown fighters like till. also judges often put a lot of emphasis on aspects of scoring that aren't as important as others that are ignored. e.g till moving forward and thompson landing the better shots throughout most of the fight, but just because he's a counter fighter fighting away from home against a much bigger guy he get's penalized.
By:
razz
When: 29 May 18 01:18
then you add in the different rule-sets for many events, the old rules are still employed in many events but we see a definite change that follows the new rules more at times. add in possible corruption like boxing where they are happy to give a round away to the other guy just because he tried hard ( or because points handicaps are much more under the radar than the outright decision.) judges are a mess. makes sense imo to have 5 judges instead of 3, that alone would eliminate some awful decisions we see.
By:
razz
When: 29 May 18 01:22
it's in their best interest to see hometown fighters win, but in the case of Brazil we see several events recently where a lot of the big Brazilian names get wrecked, partially due to the matchmaking not the judges. Brazil are in a slump with top contenders right now, look a few years ago most of the champs were Brazilian, then usada was implemented then poof none. nunes only Brazilian champ right now.
By:
wisewords
When: 29 May 18 01:36
I'll keep backing the home fighters when they're in close fights and collecting. I know how things work, just like with boxing. it's very profitable
By:
wisewords
When: 29 May 18 01:37
I don't even know why you're trying to argue against it. just back the home fighter before the annoncement is made. Till was 1.6 on Saturday
By:
wisewords
When: 29 May 18 01:43
and I'm not suggesting the fights are fixed. if Wonderboy had beaten up Till on Saturday, knocked him down a couple of times, made him retreat, taken him down etc, Wonderboy would have got the decision. but with Wonderboy fighting away from home, doing his counter fighter fighting and running away isn't going to cut it, especially against a young unbeaten lion with lots of hype, fighting in his home town in an arena that's been filled because of the hype surrounding Till, with all the fans crazily supporting Till. it's just the way it is, razz. giving Wonderboy the decision would kill the buzz around the unbeaten prospect, kill the buzz in the arena and ultimately be bad for the UFC
By:
razz
When: 01 Jun 18 00:39
I'm not arguing against backing hometown fighters, I acknowledged that they often get favorable decisions. I'm saying the UFC have no control over the judges. they are a completely separate entity from the ufc, and there's many reasons why they score fights wrong. in a fight like that you have to take into consideration that the judges incompetence can result in wildly volatile scorecards. However I would of backed till a lot heavier live if i was more awake and had better internet.

do you mean till was 1.6 in the fight? he was 2.4 ish befoe the fight started and like 1.4 closing iirc.

wonderboy's gameplan was negated a lot by till's very conservative gameplan that is very different to how he usually fights he fought exactly how your criticizing WB. It's irrelevant if it's good for the ufc or not, fights should be scored on merit, I know they won't be but they should, hometown fighters losing isn't as big of a deal as made out to be, look at Brazil as a perfect example, ufc's 2nd biggest market and they  sellout every event with the arena full from the 1st prelim despite the recent trend of many high profile Brazilians getting finished or losing.
By:
wisewords
When: 01 Jun 18 18:41
I acknowledged that they often get favorable decisions. I'm saying the UFC have no control over the judges.

remarkable how often the home fighter gets the decision, which is good for the UFC. I think you need to think about this a bit more. UFC definitely have influence over the judges, albeit indirectly.
By:
wisewords
When: 01 Jun 18 18:43
I meant Till was 1.5-1.61 range to back after the 5th round was finished, before the verdict was read out. I backed him twice; prefight and after the 5th round had ended.
By:
wisewords
When: 01 Jun 18 18:45
wonderboy's gameplan was negated a lot by till's very conservative gameplan that is very different to how he usually fights he fought exactly how your criticizing WB.

very true, I take your point. but then put WB on his arse in the 5th
By:
wisewords
When: 01 Jun 18 18:51
It's irrelevant if it's good for the ufc or not, fights should be scored on merit
By:
wisewords
When: 01 Jun 18 18:52
I'm not beetting on "should". I'm betting on how things are. take your blinkers off. do you want to make profit or not?
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