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PUTTING THIS UP EARLY AS FLYING OVER GOING FRIDAY AND IM SURE ILL BE ON THE PI$$ BUT SERIOUSLY THE FORUM IS UNREAL AND NOT THAT I GIVE FLYING fec
I TIPPED UP 10/1 WINNING NAP AND TWO OTHER WINNERS AND TWO PLACED ON MONDAY AND NOT MURMUR BUT IN FAIRNESS THE BULL$HIT THATS POSTED ON FORUM IS REASON I RARELY EVER POST
LETS HOPE LOTS WINNERS POSTED UP OVER NEXT THREE DAY AND I CONGRATULATE ALL IN ADVANCE . WON 5572£ FOR TENNER SUNDAY SO OF HAVE GOOD TIME AND WATCH SCOTLAND BEAT ENG
AND SANDOWN NEXT MONTH AND CHELT IN DEC OR NEW YEARS DAY
FEW EARLY FANCIES PAIROFBROWNEYES /WEST APPROACH/ASTRACAD/FLYING ANGEL /TUDOR CITY CAPARD KING AND OUR SOX
IM SURE TONY SWEET ON BARTERS HILL ? BUT THINK HE WILL GET NICE school
IN HOT RACE
.WISH SOMEONE CALL CEASEFIRE ON HERE OR GO TO $HITCHAT
AS LIKE BEING IN PLAYPARK .
GOOD LUCK PUNTERS YOUR HEALTH IS YOUR WEALTH
I TIPPED UP 10/1 WINNING NAP AND TWO OTHER WINNERS AND TWO PLACED ON MONDAY AND NOT MURMUR BUT IN FAIRNESS THE BULL$HIT THATS POSTED ON FORUM IS REASON I RARELY EVER POST
LETS HOPE LOTS WINNERS POSTED UP OVER NEXT THREE DAY AND I CONGRATULATE ALL IN ADVANCE . WON 5572£ FOR TENNER SUNDAY SO OF HAVE GOOD TIME AND WATCH SCOTLAND BEAT ENG
AND SANDOWN NEXT MONTH AND CHELT IN DEC OR NEW YEARS DAY FEW EARLY FANCIES PAIROFBROWNEYES /WEST APPROACH/ASTRACAD/FLYING ANGEL /TUDOR CITY CAPARD KING AND OUR SOX
IM SURE TONY SWEET ON BARTERS HILL ? BUT THINK HE WILL GET NICE school
IN HOT RACE .WISH SOMEONE CALL CEASEFIRE ON HERE OR GO TO $HITCHAT
AS LIKE BEING IN PLAYPARK . GOOD LUCK PUNTERS YOUR HEALTH IS YOUR WEALTH
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Tudor City has been a slow enough burner for Martin. Looked to have really improved in Limerick last time and would be slow to oppose where ever it runs.
I was seething with jealousy Norn to be honest, I'll give you the kudos if you let me hold the money for a while!
yes i herd about your win norn..(fuc£er),,im really looking forward to barters hill tomorrow, i had my balls on him at the festival but he was not right..his schooling has gone well and its a decent race..like wholestone in the novice hurdle...i,ll wait to see the prices tonight...
,,im really looking forward to barters hill tomorrow, i had my balls on him at the festival but he was not right..his schooling has gone well and its a decent race..like wholestone in the novice hurdle...i,ll wait to see the prices tonight...
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CHELT DAY 1......Norn Iron vs CMiyc (and CR)
12.55 Glenfarclas Veterans' Handicap Chase 2m 4f 78yds
Astracad (5)
vs
Ericht (7)
1.30 H/cap Chase Class 2, 4yo+, 1m 7f 199yds
Pairofbrowneyes (6)
vs
Sizing Codelco (7/2)
2.05 Novices' Chase Class 2, 4yo+, 2m 4f 78yds
Itsafreebee (5) (NI)
vs
Barters Hill (15/8)
vs
Rock The Kasbah (6) (CheltR)
2.40 Neptune Investment Novices' Hurdle (Grade 2) Class 1, 4yo+, 2m 5f 26yds
West Approach (5) (both)
vs
Wholestone (9/2) (Tony57)
3.15 Novices' Handicap Hurdle Class 3, 3yo+, 2m 87yds
Tudor City (4)
vs
Excellent Result (12)
3.50 Amateur Riders' H/cap Chase Class 3, 4yo+, 3m 1f
Our Sox (8)
Capard King (22)
vs
Fayette County (8)
BofL.
12.55 Glenfarclas Veterans' Handicap Chase 2m 4f 78yds
Astracad (5)
vs
Ericht (7)
1.30 H/cap Chase Class 2, 4yo+, 1m 7f 199yds
Pairofbrowneyes (6)
vs
Sizing Codelco (7/2)
2.05 Novices' Chase Class 2, 4yo+, 2m 4f 78yds
Itsafreebee (5) (NI)
vs
Barters Hill (15/8)
vs
Rock The Kasbah (6) (CheltR)
2.40 Neptune Investment Novices' Hurdle (Grade 2) Class 1, 4yo+, 2m 5f 26yds
West Approach (5) (both)
vs
Wholestone (9/2) (Tony57)
3.15 Novices' Handicap Hurdle Class 3, 3yo+, 2m 87yds
Tudor City (4)
vs
Excellent Result (12)
3.50 Amateur Riders' H/cap Chase Class 3, 4yo+, 3m 1f
Our Sox (8)
Capard King (22)
vs
Fayette County (8)
BofL.
ASRTRACAD SAVER BENNYS MIST REV4CAST
PAIRBROWNEYES EW NAP REV4CAST TOP WEIGHT
WEST APPROACH REV4CAST BAYAN
FLYING ANGEL REV4CAST ROCK THE CASHBAH
TUDOR CITY NB
OUR SOX
GOOD LUCK PUNTERS AND CLEAN HANGING NOT LOOKING FORWARD BUS BUT IM SURE PINT CIDER AT 10AM WILL SORT ME OUT REALLY HOPE THE GREAT JUDGES ON THIS THREAD OVER 3 DAYS POST GREAT INFO AS IF YOU ALL WISE THEN WE GET BACK GREAT RACING THREADS
PAIRBROWNEYES EW NAP REV4CAST TOP WEIGHT
WEST APPROACH REV4CAST BAYAN
FLYING ANGEL REV4CAST ROCK THE CASHBAH
TUDOR CITY NB
OUR SOX
GOOD LUCK PUNTERS AND CLEAN HANGING NOT LOOKING FORWARD BUS BUT IM SURE PINT CIDER AT 10AM WILL SORT ME OUT REALLY HOPE THE GREAT JUDGES ON THIS THREAD OVER 3 DAYS POST GREAT INFO AS IF YOU ALL WISE THEN WE GET BACK GREAT RACING THREADS
silver grove in the last is my main bet @5/1 jumps like a buck, is ready..and yard just starting to fire.
2.30Lingfield
London
Kirby booked, back down to its winning distance of a mile
London
Kirby booked, back down to its winning distance of a mile
Tony, serious question..at what point do you reassess and simply keep your money in your pocket?
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Injury update: BARTERS HILL walked onto the horse ambulance, has been taken away for further assessment.
Barters Hill has 'slipped tendon off a hock' - not fatal but will need a long time off.
Ben Pauling has confirmed that the injury to Barters Hill is bad, but not career ending.
Ben Pauling has confirmed that the injury to Barters Hill is bad, but not career ending.
what you talking about oz?..i backed the horse @9/4 wentof 11/8 was injured..
I made the fav in that race at 9/4 too tbh, so can't run Tony down for taking the horse at that price & seemed very popular on course.
I had the feeling that Tony may have jinxed the animal, Rock.
His main bet in the last also went down the pan.
His main bet in the last also went down the pan.
He would stop time Oz he would actually stop time.
im off to uttoxeter tomorrow for a decent card..im on rolling dylan 1.05 @11/4
went down lto to a alan king horse he thinks a bit of lazer light, hobbs finnished early to keep this horse a novice for this season..
cheltenham does not appeal tomorrow only a small bet e/w on the jardine runner traditional dancer @16/1 e/w ive followed this trainer for a while and he is on the up..has 20 in for the jumps and 50 on the flat..good luck
went down lto to a alan king horse he thinks a bit of lazer light, hobbs finnished early to keep this horse a novice for this season..
cheltenham does not appeal tomorrow only a small bet e/w on the jardine runner traditional dancer @16/1 e/w ive followed this trainer for a while and he is on the up..has 20 in for the jumps and 50 on the flat..good luck
Cheltenham just looks a bookies meeting,very competitive races, Tudor City looked all over the winner yesterday.
Supreme Vinnie 3.00 at a best price 14/1 could run well, load with chances but think he will he held up and maybe the race might pan out to suit.
Tony Mc Cann has a couple at Uttoexeter Tony, despite the form figures of some in the 2.15 i'm not sure have they very strong form,Wilcos Mo Chara( Mo Corra Gaelic in case the commentator reads the thread haha,good idea what he'll say)Not the strongest 2 handicaps he ran in last twice and on the rise in weights but think he will put a decent show in this.
Have a good day there.
Supreme Vinnie 3.00 at a best price 14/1 could run well, load with chances but think he will he held up and maybe the race might pan out to suit.
Tony Mc Cann has a couple at Uttoexeter Tony, despite the form figures of some in the 2.15 i'm not sure have they very strong form,Wilcos Mo Chara( Mo Corra Gaelic in case the commentator reads the thread haha,good idea what he'll say)Not the strongest 2 handicaps he ran in last twice and on the rise in weights but think he will put a decent show in this.
Have a good day there.
Norn,
"IM SURE I'll BE ON THE PI$$...WON £5,572 FOR a TENNER on SUNDAY, SO off to HAVE a GOOD TIME AND WATCH SCOTLAND BEAT ENG" - unluckly with that Scotland bet
TODAY ???
"IM SURE I'll BE ON THE PI$$...WON £5,572 FOR a TENNER on SUNDAY, SO off to HAVE a GOOD TIME AND WATCH SCOTLAND BEAT ENG" - unluckly with that Scotland bet
TODAY ???
DINO VELVET
SAUSILOTO SUNRISE /DOCTOR HARPER
MORE OF THAT /ANNACOTY
FINGAL BAY/WILLOTHE WEST
FOR GOOD MEASURE/WHO DARES WINS
GOOD LUCK PUNTERS
SAUSILOTO SUNRISE /DOCTOR HARPER
MORE OF THAT /ANNACOTY
FINGAL BAY/WILLOTHE WEST
FOR GOOD MEASURE/WHO DARES WINS
GOOD LUCK PUNTERS
WIN ITS GOOD WEEKEND
1.00 Fishery Lane Hurdle Koshari 13/8 at the punters graveyard
not one for blowing my own trumphet but 11/4-11/10...boom!..might shut up some who have never put one up...
,,got most of my loses back from yesterday..
,,got most of my loses back from yesterday..
DAY 2. CHELT
12.40 JCB Triumph Trial Juvenile Hdl (Grade 2) Class 1, 3yo, 2m 87yds Defi Du Seuil (2)
1.15 Nov Chase Class 2, 5yo+, 3m 80yds Thistlecrack (1/5) no bet obviously - on watch after Barters.
1.50 H/cap Chase (Grade 3) Class 1, 4yo+, 3m 3f 71yds 17run Doctor Harper (10)
2.25 Gold Cup H/cap Chase (Grade 3) £160,000.00 Class 1, 4yo+, 2m 4f 78yds 17run - PP ¼ 5pls, Sky fifth 6pls More Of That (5)
3.00 H/cap Hurdle (Listed) Class 1, 4yo+, 3m 1f 67yds 16run Corrin Wood (10) cert by rare text from Kerry mate, friend of friend of owner. More salt please.
3.35 Intermediate H/cap Hdl Class 3, 3yo+, 2m 5f 26yds 17run Robin Of Locksley (15/2)
4.05 Mares' Std Open NH Flat Race (Listed) Class 1, 4-6yo, 2m 87yds Irish Roe (11/2)
+3.20 After Aspen (14)
12.40 JCB Triumph Trial Juvenile Hdl (Grade 2) Class 1, 3yo, 2m 87yds Defi Du Seuil (2)
1.15 Nov Chase Class 2, 5yo+, 3m 80yds Thistlecrack (1/5) no bet obviously - on watch after Barters.
1.50 H/cap Chase (Grade 3) Class 1, 4yo+, 3m 3f 71yds 17run Doctor Harper (10)
2.25 Gold Cup H/cap Chase (Grade 3) £160,000.00 Class 1, 4yo+, 2m 4f 78yds 17run - PP ¼ 5pls, Sky fifth 6pls More Of That (5)
3.00 H/cap Hurdle (Listed) Class 1, 4yo+, 3m 1f 67yds 16run Corrin Wood (10) cert by rare text from Kerry mate, friend of friend of owner. More salt please.
3.35 Intermediate H/cap Hdl Class 3, 3yo+, 2m 5f 26yds 17run Robin Of Locksley (15/2)
4.05 Mares' Std Open NH Flat Race (Listed) Class 1, 4-6yo, 2m 87yds Irish Roe (11/2)
+3.20 After Aspen (14)
kavvie,
Any words of wisdom (see your green light is on)
Any words of wisdom (see your green light is on)
i have thanks.i got a good one for later a t a nice price. but i wont share it on here as in the unlikely event of it losing abuse will follow.thats why the forum is fcuked..
cloone river - What about ya ? - (your also in the green light here)
somemuppet - I see your green light is also on - bets ?
tony57 • November 12, 2016 1:18 PM GMT
not one for blowing my own trumphet but.......
not one for blowing my own trumphet but.......
i have thanks.i got a good one for later a t a nice price. but i wont share it on here as in the unlikely event of it losing abuse will follow.thats why the forum is fcuked..
Am going to have to pull you on this Kavvie and ask you a serious question.
If you are sitting in a pub with a group of lads and proposing horse after horse, and demonstrably losing money...are they taking the mickey or are they taking the mickey?
Maybe I hang out with the wrong people. Perhaps if I was out with a group of pals from Mumsnet or some hippies high on something...well then i could expect something along the lines of a constant refrain 'better luck next time'.
I believe in meritocracy. In calling a spade a spade. If you are consistently making a horlicks of your selections, you deserve an odd jab. AKA real life.
Am going to have to pull you on this Kavvie and ask you a serious question.
If you are sitting in a pub with a group of lads and proposing horse after horse, and demonstrably losing money...are they taking the mickey or are they taking the mickey?
Maybe I hang out with the wrong people. Perhaps if I was out with a group of pals from Mumsnet or some hippies high on something...well then i could expect something along the lines of a constant refrain 'better luck next time'.
I believe in meritocracy. In calling a spade a spade. If you are consistently making a horlicks of your selections, you deserve an odd jab. AKA real life.
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ballyandy 12.45 13/8 i think he,ll turn round the perth defeat with moon racer..think samtwist made mistake not going on at perth ..but this course will suit the selection more.
some plan 1.20 @4/1 ive always liked this horse from its days with tom george, lovely looking thing and is with a trainer who will sort its jumping out.
2.30 winter escape 3/1..im on at a bigger price..but lot of whispers for the horse and king has talked it up bigtime
good luck
some plan 1.20 @4/1 ive always liked this horse from its days with tom george, lovely looking thing and is with a trainer who will sort its jumping out.
2.30 winter escape 3/1..im on at a bigger price..but lot of whispers for the horse and king has talked it up bigtime
good luck
WELL DONE TONY AND CATCHME AND WINNERS GOD I LOVE WAKING UP TO IRISH LOTTO 331£ THAT 4 TIMES IN LAST 7 ENG TRIPS GOT NICE WE sobering bonus
LOOKS LIKE FAVS DAY TODAY POST FEW SOON JEEZ THAT BALTIER DALLIER WAS VERY IMPRESSIVE AT NAAS
SUPERB RESPECT TO ALL BLACKS GIVING THE BELOVED SHIRT TO ANTHONY FOLEYS BOYS (MADE ME SHED GOOD FEW TEARS AS THAT IS WHAT RUGBY IS ABOUT . FAMILY)
LOOKS LIKE FAVS DAY TODAY POST FEW SOON JEEZ THAT BALTIER DALLIER WAS VERY IMPRESSIVE AT NAAS
SUPERB RESPECT TO ALL BLACKS GIVING THE BELOVED SHIRT TO ANTHONY FOLEYS BOYS (MADE ME SHED GOOD FEW TEARS AS THAT IS WHAT RUGBY IS ABOUT . FAMILY)
WELL DONE TONY AND CATCHME AND WINNERS GOD I LOVE WAKING UP TO IRISH LOTTO 331£ THAT 4 TIMES IN LAST 7 ENG TRIPS GOT NICE WE sobering bonus
LOOKS LIKE FAVS DAY TODAY POST FEW SOON JEEZ THAT BALTIER DALLIER WAS VERY IMPRESSIVE AT NAAS
SUPERB RESPECT TO ALL BLACKS GIVING THE BELOVED SHIRT TO ANTHONY FOLEYS BOYS (MADE ME SHED GOOD FEW TEARS AS THAT IS WHAT RUGBY IS ABOUT . FAMILY)
LOOKS LIKE FAVS DAY TODAY POST FEW SOON JEEZ THAT BALTIER DALLIER WAS VERY IMPRESSIVE AT NAAS
SUPERB RESPECT TO ALL BLACKS GIVING THE BELOVED SHIRT TO ANTHONY FOLEYS BOYS (MADE ME SHED GOOD FEW TEARS AS THAT IS WHAT RUGBY IS ABOUT . FAMILY)
WELL DONE TONY AND CATCHME AND WINNERS GOD I LOVE WAKING UP TO IRISH LOTTO 331£ THAT 4 TIMES IN LAST 7 ENG TRIPS GOT NICE WE sobering bonus
LOOKS LIKE FAVS DAY TODAY POST FEW SOON JEEZ THAT BALTIER DALLIER WAS VERY IMPRESSIVE AT NAAS
SUPERB RESPECT TO ALL BLACKS GIVING THE BELOVED SHIRT TO ANTHONY FOLEYS BOYS (MADE ME SHED GOOD FEW TEARS AS THAT IS WHAT RUGBY IS ABOUT . FAMILY)
LOOKS LIKE FAVS DAY TODAY POST FEW SOON JEEZ THAT BALTIER DALLIER WAS VERY IMPRESSIVE AT NAAS
SUPERB RESPECT TO ALL BLACKS GIVING THE BELOVED SHIRT TO ANTHONY FOLEYS BOYS (MADE ME SHED GOOD FEW TEARS AS THAT IS WHAT RUGBY IS ABOUT . FAMILY)
WELL DONE TONY AND CATCHME AND WINNERS GOD I LOVE WAKING UP TO IRISH LOTTO 331£ THAT 4 TIMES IN LAST 7 ENG TRIPS GOT NICE WE sobering bonus
LOOKS LIKE FAVS DAY TODAY POST FEW SOON JEEZ THAT BALTIER DALLIER WAS VERY IMPRESSIVE AT NAAS
SUPERB RESPECT TO ALL BLACKS GIVING THE BELOVED SHIRT TO ANTHONY FOLEYS BOYS (MADE ME SHED GOOD FEW TEARS AS THAT IS WHAT RUGBY IS ABOUT . FAMILY)
LOOKS LIKE FAVS DAY TODAY POST FEW SOON JEEZ THAT BALTIER DALLIER WAS VERY IMPRESSIVE AT NAAS
SUPERB RESPECT TO ALL BLACKS GIVING THE BELOVED SHIRT TO ANTHONY FOLEYS BOYS (MADE ME SHED GOOD FEW TEARS AS THAT IS WHAT RUGBY IS ABOUT . FAMILY)
WELL DONE TONY AND CATCHME AND WINNERS GOD I LOVE WAKING UP TO IRISH LOTTO 331£ THAT 4 TIMES IN LAST 7 ENG TRIPS GOT NICE WE sobering bonus
LOOKS LIKE FAVS DAY TODAY POST FEW SOON JEEZ THAT BALTIER DALLIER WAS VERY IMPRESSIVE AT NAAS
SUPERB RESPECT TO ALL BLACKS GIVING THE BELOVED SHIRT TO ANTHONY FOLEYS BOYS (MADE ME SHED GOOD FEW TEARS AS THAT IS WHAT RUGBY IS ABOUT . FAMILY)
LOOKS LIKE FAVS DAY TODAY POST FEW SOON JEEZ THAT BALTIER DALLIER WAS VERY IMPRESSIVE AT NAAS
SUPERB RESPECT TO ALL BLACKS GIVING THE BELOVED SHIRT TO ANTHONY FOLEYS BOYS (MADE ME SHED GOOD FEW TEARS AS THAT IS WHAT RUGBY IS ABOUT . FAMILY)
WELL DONE TONY AND CATCHME AND WINNERS GOD I LOVE WAKING UP TO IRISH LOTTO 331£ THAT 4 TIMES IN LAST 7 ENG TRIPS GOT NICE WE sobering bonus
LOOKS LIKE FAVS DAY TODAY POST FEW SOON JEEZ THAT BALTIER DALLIER WAS VERY IMPRESSIVE AT NAAS
SUPERB RESPECT TO ALL BLACKS GIVING THE BELOVED SHIRT TO ANTHONY FOLEYS BOYS (MADE ME SHED GOOD FEW TEARS AS THAT IS WHAT RUGBY IS ABOUT . FAMILY)
LOOKS LIKE FAVS DAY TODAY POST FEW SOON JEEZ THAT BALTIER DALLIER WAS VERY IMPRESSIVE AT NAAS
SUPERB RESPECT TO ALL BLACKS GIVING THE BELOVED SHIRT TO ANTHONY FOLEYS BOYS (MADE ME SHED GOOD FEW TEARS AS THAT IS WHAT RUGBY IS ABOUT . FAMILY)
LOL LEE who givs fook
MOVEWITHTIMES EW SAVER WHAT ABOUT CARLO GOOD FLAT HORSE LOVES SOFT REV4CAST
LE PREZIAN
SIMPLY NED EW SAVE JUST CAMERON EW REV4CAST
A HARE BREATH EW NORTH HILL HENRY R4CAST
BARON DU PLESSIS EW NAP IF handrake OFF CAN SEE THIS RUNNING CLOSE EXCELLENT 2ND IN HOT DURROW P2P ALL 4 HAVE WON RACES AND TRAINOR LOVES HANDICAP GAMBLES /BALLYARTHUR R4CAST
NAVAN CRACKING CARD DEDIGOUT
GURTEEN/ THIS IS CRACKING RACE JP HAS SERIOUS CHANCES WITH ANABAI FLY A CHELT HORSE
MICK JAZZ
MOVEWITHTIMES EW SAVER WHAT ABOUT CARLO GOOD FLAT HORSE LOVES SOFT REV4CAST
LE PREZIAN
SIMPLY NED EW SAVE JUST CAMERON EW REV4CAST
A HARE BREATH EW NORTH HILL HENRY R4CAST
BARON DU PLESSIS EW NAP IF handrake OFF CAN SEE THIS RUNNING CLOSE EXCELLENT 2ND IN HOT DURROW P2P ALL 4 HAVE WON RACES AND TRAINOR LOVES HANDICAP GAMBLES /BALLYARTHUR R4CAST
NAVAN CRACKING CARD DEDIGOUT
GURTEEN/ THIS IS CRACKING RACE JP HAS SERIOUS CHANCES WITH ANABAI FLY A CHELT HORSE
MICK JAZZ
think i may be cursed..barters injured, ballyandy with the vet..some plan imo would of won but for falling at last....but sometimes thats racing..won at uttoxeter yesterday..but they have had most of it back..with these 2..if winter wins it,ll save the day..
..but sometimes thats racing..won at uttoxeter yesterday..but they have had most of it back..with these 2..if winter wins it,ll save the day..
matter of opinion oz..i was a touch tongue in cheek about cursed? such is racing..
thanks for the advice purpose..i can see your all heart?
never did that one cmiyc?(no blame attached to me there)
thanks for the advice purpose..i can see your all heart?
never did that one cmiyc?(no blame attached to me there)
It might help to get in touch with somebody who really cares "Scouse Tony".
I thought Some Plan wasn't asked yet Tony as well, you never know as Le Predizen stayed well but think you would have collected there.
Very impressed with Fox Norton,did everything well,maybe it is a lot to ask to beat Douvan but while away down the road looks a very viable w/o or ew alternative at the moment.
Very impressed with Fox Norton,did everything well,maybe it is a lot to ask to beat Douvan but while away down the road looks a very viable w/o or ew alternative at the moment.
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