The Brexit cheerleaders

wr..as a left wing thinker myself and others in labourleave.org..belive the uk has its destiny in its own hands when we do leave..unlike some..we have always said we will lose investment in some areas..but in time we will gain in others..we will get our fishing fleet back, we now pay spanish boats to catch fish in our waters because we sell the right to do so..
we have many problems in our economy..it needs rebalancing in the 70s almost 1/3 of our gdp came from manufacturing,..but as the present situation with our relying on financial services the south of england got all the jobs,a lower £ will aid us in trying to rebalance the economy and encourge new buisness to invest in the manufacturing base again..its just one route we can help..but many others..to come when we are out and it settles down..the new world tec jobs will be attracted here also..

Sorry Tony don't mean to interupt,

You want the patience of Job WR, got the lead, hope you got some of the 11/4-3/1.

Come to think of it now , the Rag n'Boneman will be worried ,price of oats could rise then who's going to feed Nelly...

Got a little 4.1 on here this morning as well Pa, hes a out n' out stayer , backed him at Curr on Mon , mate of mine said he looked awful and had lost his condicton ,Afraid I'll have to take him on a refresher course around the paddock....

i like this welsh shadow in 4.10..ground in its favour now..good race for welsh champion hurdle..hobbs horse is the one to beat..nicholls runner is rated highly by the yard..but im on skeltons..

some horse hobbs..just went with wrong one.

Not your day mate...

just better horse mate..knew hobbs was one to beat..thought skeltons would be better in ground..so did market..but as you know ive had 2nds for 2weeks

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always makes me laugh when people who know nothing about something pass there comments off as factual...i worked my balls for 6 weeks.....before making statements they know nothing about..people should think...i would make the both of you look even more daft....only people on here are fed up with the subject....

Tony...Piss1ng myself here- You claim disability benefit and don't work. You're illiterate but for a laugh please explain how a currency contracting by almost 20% since the vote will have a net positive impact in the long term?

"wr..as a left wing thinker myself and others in labourleave.org..belive the uk has its destiny in its own hands when we do leave..unlike some..we have always said we will lose investment in some areas..but in time we will gain in others..we will get our fishing fleet back, we now pay spanish boats to catch fish in our waters because we sell the right to do so.."

Sweet divine please explain the percentage of GDP you expect the fishing industry to account for?

"will aid us in trying to rebalance the economy and encourge new buisness to invest in the manufacturing base again"

Thick as a ditch if you think the UK can compete with the far east in the manufacturing industry? Massive inflation incoming.

DJ he's not be alone in that ahem the irony is the other lad's handle. Work my arse, rider i doubt, the whole family are being looked after by the state


Oliver Wyman is the name of the company btw. Sad times i read 75% of the people who voted out were uneducated.

as before the vote ponces like you 2 said we could never win..and the world would end..economists agree and disagree...the actual point about manufacturing is beyond you..but comes from a john mills..who is the owner of jml..multi millionaire is the man who  like many others belives the £ being so low is good for the uk...

as ive said before to you..you chat ****..your so up your own arse..you think you know something and you know sweet fa..as for me..how do you know im on the state? ive called you out before..you have no balls..show me how you earn a living and i,ll gladly prove mine...tax  returns do? forgot rocket..hes hasent got two bob..

Tony57

A lower currency can assist exporting in the short term  but this thinking is middle aged these days as all business's utilise swaps and futures, but anyone with an iota knows that developed counties can't compete in the manufacturing industry against emerging economies.

If domestic cost, mostly labor, does not adjust to the higher import prices resulting from the depreciation, exporters will gain, but this gain comes from reducing the real incomes of domestic workers. If these workers ultimately negotiate an increase in nominal wages to bring their real wages back up to before the depreciation, the gain to exporters will disappear. The depreciation has created only a temporary gain and hinders real wages in the long run. Brexit will cripple the working man in the long run.

Tony 57 you're telling porkies on here or on twitter. You don't claim disability benefit so? THEBUMPERKING

brexit will have hurdles to jump..no one said otherwise..but in the longterm it will be better off, and the £ has been to high...
i have supported disability issues for many years..on twitter im a member of disabled people against cuts...i have a disability....but i recive no state help? now i,ll show you my tax returns ..will you show yours?

You haven't an iota of the economic implications,it all stems from a fear of immigration.

Why would I show you my tax returns? You think I am on the dole?

I couldn't care less if you don't.

I won't be engaging with you anymore, your incessant non-nonsensical chattering has the Irish forum runined.

Extremely juvenile to be show their tax returns to a stranger

full of it....

Tony but you don't pay tax on disability benefit, just ask Workrdier.

But Tony to be fair you're not an economist fella, you were one of the unwitting foot soldiers that handed out a few leaflets and fair play to you. But you were lied to Tony, i remember you believing that the NHS were going to get an extra £350 Million a week, that has been confirmed as a lie T. Liverpool is a great city full of people who you can't pull the wool over, this is why Liverpool voted remain in massive numbers. Then we saw for what of a better word wools like you and your lot vote leave, no confidence in themsleves that they can compete with huge numbers of very well educated EU nationals coming in.

economic implications  i can write down page by page of what may happen? from people who are far more educated than you and me?..but the difference is im happy to take a economic hit in the short term ..cos i belive in the long term we as a country will be better off......you only have 1 point a £ that is in freefall..markets go up and down..it,ll sort itself out....as for immigration..dam right it played its part and so it should..the working class have been **** on too long by buisness in the uk and the eu..unions have had barganing rights taken away by the eu..who love big buisness and bankers..while the poor in rumania come over here and undercut the working man?..yet also leave there own country struggling because there brightest are over here...

rocket
i dont need to replay the ref...we won it? i could go over it again ..but dont need too...your point on disability..i dont know if you pay tax in the uk on it tbh..

dj..ive got in front of me..LABOURS VISION OF AN INDEPENDENT BRITAIN...left wing economists..john mills..austin mitchell..other labour people who have always been eurosceptic i could write loads of rebuttal..but the truth is we dont know till we get out.....those of us who belive it,ll be better do so on what we belive and see..

DJ876 way of arguing is to just call the opposition stupid.

He has plenty of good points and clearly understands the topic but calling people illiterate is no argument.

There was always an element of risk in Brexit ( something DJ876 is terrified of ) but for me it was worth it and its hard to see life for some working class communities getting worse.

I know its fashionable to laugh when the fishing industry is mentioned but when Britain joined the EU national fishing waters were 12 miles,they are now 200 miles that's some difference.

Well 75% of the leave vote were classed as 'uneducated' so dj has a point and Tony is hardly proving that wrong now is he?

So the left wing stay in crowd are the EDUCATED according to Rags, may the Lord have mercy on Britain if thats the case ....

Who classed them as uneducated ?

They may not have attended Oxbridge.
They were no part of the Metropolitan elite.
They were old style Brits that love their country.

They are the type of people despised by the plutocrats,the working class.

Oh sweet mother of mercy he thinks the referendum was right wing v left wing

Workrider thinks the city of London is full lefties

It is.

There is an alliance between the Left and Islam in London.

Left wing bankers though, god i met him and yes he really is that stupid

left wing bankers is a bit like saying Jewish Imams

Nearly as good as when he said he was in Sligo and he went and asked some lad did i have a girlfriend, strange guy buggsy is for a lad who is supposed to be married, i'd be asking questions.

Rocketfingers seems to think all those bankers live in London.

Sadiq Khan is Lord Mayor of London.

Here are some of the London Labour MPs

Jeremy Corbyn
John McDonnell
Emily Thornbury
Diane Abbott
David Lammy
Chuka Umunna
Tulip Sidiq
Rosena Allin Khan
Margaret Hodge
Rushanara Ali
Rua Huq
Virendra Sharma
Seema Malhotra
Harriet Harman.

This is the alliance,an alliance that despises the British working class.

Pity to see the thread degenerate.

The pounds fall is factored in,if the "deal" is good there will be a big bounce up to not far off pre brexit, a bit more but not too much if it isn't favourable.
Only my non economist tup pence worth.

Great mini documentary with the BBC(yes, i know) about many of our younger UK neighbours embracing and taking up the game of Gaelic football, vast numbers and really taking off.

Wildman,

Damn right I am annoyed about what I maintain is the most ignorant vote in a developed country in decades.

This has ramifications for global economic growth for the next 5 years, Britain's only hope now is an obliteration of Europe which is a possibility with the likely result of the pending French elections.

If it does materialise, how long would a disintegration of Europe take? Brexit has put us all into a prolonged period of uncertainty.

What was the unemployment rate in the UK prior to Brexit? Maybe 1.5% above full employment?

Your quixotic notions on the demographics of society ignore the actual real financial implications for the normal working man. Easy for one to pontificate from the sidelines about idealistic notions but it's now a larger proportion of the working class who will  bear the brunt of it.

1.5% of the population might have been suffering financially from losing jobs to foreigners?

Please explain to me how a 20% devaluation in a currency will not result in serious inflation. The purchasing power parity equilibrium dictates this and who will it effect? 100% of working class people.

It's now long odds on that the UK will go from the fastest growing economic power house to a recession (defined as two consecutive quarters of contraction) hit economy in the space of 18 months.

To dismiss this type of contraction as normal volatility or temporary is beyond folly.

DJ, why get yourself in such a tizzy , get yourself over to Reading ,Rags will put you up for the night and he'll read the F/T to put you to sleep dear boy...

I look at it from a different perspective.

I hate globalisation,I oppose TTP.
I believe in nation states.

The plutocrats and the elites want open borders.
Its the elites against the people and I'm on the side of the people.

Your predictions on the future of the British economy are well made but that doesn't necessarily make them right.
It may be a gamble but its one that could just come off.

One aspect that isint a gamble is the quality of life bit plus getting back your self respect.

Its actually TPP I oppose.

YOu can see your an avid reader of it anyway Neddie, bankers are left wing

Fgs man stop the charade, you have no money, you have not worked in years, you went broke gambling, so why don't you bring your long suffering other half on a proper holidays instead of going to Hexam and Carlise and stop asking about young lads love lives you weirdo. Have a look at my pics mate and save some of your disability allowance or what ever money you get from the tax payers and i'll get you a few bob off a nice pad out in Marbs for a week speak to you in about 5 years Neddie .

Neddie ya scum bag, what is that saying though the apple does not fall to far from the tree? Keep it up big mouth.

Rag 'N Bone man had my post removed I see , now we know know whos the RAT on here . Gives it big but cant take it , little boy.

Workrider....That's our Rocketfingers......Runs with the hares and hunts with the hounds.

Champions rioters, protesters and the hard left in Ireland and the opposite in his beloved England..

You seemed to be getting out on my personal love life, seem to be a pervert and i don't think bf like that sort of perverted behaviour. Did you go and fiddle yourself in some way ??

so why don't you bring your long suffering other half on a proper holidays instead of going to Hexam , perhaps this slipped your tiny mind fatso , YOU brought the personal side up .Time you started acting your age you fat sod , a guy in his 50s trying to act 35 ffs , grow up ya gobshyte , anyone who would find you sexualy attractive would have serious issues! ....

Ha 50 Listen you seem besotted with me in a very perverted way, when you came to Sligo used even asked a stranger if i had a girlfriend, you were also driving around the west on your own, which i thought strange for a start. You could start with getting your teeth fixed if you're looking for a boyfriend, i'll expect to see you on the Sunday World or Channel 4 some night in a foxes mask on some lay-by or maybe that is lay-bi in your case.

Get help ffs mate , I know what the were talking about now that night in Sligo , seriously get help Tommy . You know I know your real age , that combeover fools nobody fatso.

dj,
lets the cat out of the bag..hes angry that the british people decided to use their democratic right to decide their own future?all this was out in the open for months..investigated, may i remind those who see this as uneducated against educated, all the areas that were immigration was saturated in the uk...voted out by big margins...only london went for remain (for reasons that we all know) but a lot of people voted to take back laws that have been given to brussels without the british peoples consent?..then there is the idea that the eu will join together in a politcal union at some point..all know this will happen in time...the 5 presidents are unelected? they meet in secret? minutes are not published? and they have not produced a audit in 12 years?..so we dont know how much they have spent or were?....and the british people are wrong not to want to be part of that?
then as someone on the left..to watch the way the eu treated the greek people? familys giving their children to the state because they cannot feed them?..and still the eu deny debt relief? even though imf agree with it..the lies they told and to see greek oaps attack a police bus last week in athens shows you all you need to know about were the eu loyalties lie?...bankers, buisness, tax avoiders,..junker while head of luxemburg and the eu has shown what he thinks of democracy.....
so im proud of my countrymen..against all the bias of the establisment..money,lies,etc..to stand up for what we belive to be right...the eu was in trouble before we voted out...its rotten to the core..

Don't be getting angry Neddie you have been caught out being a pervert and now you are making things up to try and get off the subject, plenty of lads on here know who i am and no my age. I am sure there are fellas up in down the country with stories of this old slap head with teeth coming from pretty much every angle & in need of a wash inquiring if they have a girl? Let me ask you do you think that approach is normal? Now be careful how you answer this as i have the number Tallaght cop shop. If i known what you were really down for that day in Sligo i would have got you arrested.

Tommy for GOD sake get help ,more fool me for even answering you ,you poor thing. Seems to be a fav saying of yours ,been caught out ,Freudian is it ? .

Neddie you acting like a jilted lover, i would have thought with the way you look fella you would used to knock backs. The sad reality is you have to lie to try and bring people down to your level, you see after meeting you people know you are a pauper. I think you're a living advertisement for a person who is not happy with their life, now be that coming from your low social standing or that fact you perverted urge to be chasing lads around racecourses i am not sure which.

Rags  are you saying our mutual friend is perverted ,seeing as I stayed in his house that night in Sligo, and have continued to meet him at games ,I'm sure he'll be amused at your suggestion , funnily enough he never ASKED you home .Now before you get yourself into anymore trouble have a good look into your sexuality , I think theres a different little Tommy lurking somewhere...

Obviously i am saying you are neddie, you went up to a stranger and asked about my personal life, you said it on a previous thread yourself and said it was not SR. Now you have trying to run down a good friend of mine on here, you have no shame, you sir is what i would call an supreme idiot, the left wing bankers stuff illustrates that perfectly as well as no one will give you a job. Now off with you to some lay-(bi) or chat some lads up what ever you takes your fancy !!!

I'll say a little prayer for you Tommy , it must be terrible to have to live with that head . Your personal life is none existant as we all know.Have a good look at yourself, maybe, just maybe you might stop hurting yourself mentally. It a long time since I felt so sorry for one so demented that everyone appears to him to be homosexual . Stange you seem to champion them on other threads ,guess its just you're confused , if you feel like it why not just  come out,plenty on here that way inclined I'm sure , so nothing for you to worry about.

https://www.csc.ncsu.edu/faculty/healey/tweet_viz/tweet_app/

OR

http://googlemapsmania.blogspot.ie/2016/10/mapping-crazy-clowns.html

"My personal life is non existent", it's probably not as exciting as yours for sure neddie, off chasing lads on racecourses or on a lay-(bi) late at night

Ozy, won't like your anti gay gripe,and here we all were thinking what a liberal you were ... Real colours starting to show eh Raggsy...

Hey Needie from Tallaght your the only one who wants to know other lads love life, i suppose when your home life is as sad as yours you have to know others business. Btw I know why that car is always breaking down on you now, getting a hard time on the auld lay-(bi) i'd say many the lad had a few inches taking off with those teeth you have.

Take care handsome

www.cityam.com/250902/dramatic-fall-in-sterling-cause-celebration-not-depression

as well as being a economist john mills has run a import export buisness for 40yrs..i take my cue from men like him..a commited left wing buisnessman who has been in the labour party for over 50years..

www.theguadian.com/buisness/2016/oct/16/let-the-pound-fall-and-the-economy-rise?CMP=share_btn_tw

ive put up just 2 people who make the same argument as me..but im ready to admit as i did before we really wont know till we leave..unlike like some..who dont have a clue..but post as if they do...

Wake up boys and smell the coffee

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/rugby/tributes-pour-in-on-social-media-follo...

euro is a house of cards ready to fall says archtect of single currency
he says ireland and greece should never of been bailed out in 2008?
www.independent.co.uk/news/buisness/news/eurozone-euro-collapse-house-of-cards-ecb-single-currency-a7364826.html

this man made the single currency..and yet we have people like dj calling the british people for not wanting to be part of it!...

Vintage thread tbf!

As per usual, DJs economic views are spot on.

It's terrifying to see some contributors, with zero grasp of even the basics, pontificating at length on economic matters.

What did workrider say that upset rockfinger so much??hope it was nothing to do with his eastern european mail order bride,seems quite sad that he can come on here acting the big man but then when someone hits a nerve he gets the post taken down,

east european mail order bride?

What happened to the little old lady that he used to bring to the beach?

She was traded in

There are fools and then there are ugly idiots like you Needie. Italy contributes more towards the EU than the UK, i stopped reading after that i am sure there is loads more rubbish in there. Neddie you don't live in the country you know nothing about what is happening here bar looking at horse racing results, it is obvious you don't read or listen to any news either, so you are unable to contribute towards the subject, so stop clogging it up. Btw also you need to  keep your child like analogies to yourself, we are adults on here you moron, do i make myself clear?!

Hey Needie left wing bankers, classic

Not even going to attempt to read your infantile nonsense. You need to stop posting on something you know nothing about and instead go and play with your Hornby train set, quick they are calling for conductor Needie.

At least i have one of my own Ned, there are people with vested interest in a subject trying to discuss it and then some Tallaght howyas who is clogging it up with stupid analogies that are simply factually incorrect. It's not difficult to understand but what part of 'stop posting on something you know nothing about', do you not get? Seriously give it a break and take your minus IQ elsewhere.

Its very easy to be blind when in receipt, the EU is and until it's final breakup will remain a dictatorship conning the muppets who foolishly believe in it. When Ireland and the UK joined the EEC it was an economic and trade union between European countries. It later grew into an opportunity for the larger countries i.e Germany and France to Politically invade smaller countries and bestow foreign laws and beliefs and at what price. Having failed twice to conquer Europe with guns and bombs Germany are making a good job 3rd time round without a shot been fired. Ireland who fought with Britian for years over London Rule now doesn't mind Brussels Rule how ironic but sure if it worth a few quid, Laughable. And when the proposed European Army arrives don't think you'll be able to play your neutrality Card cause that wouldn't buy with Junker and Co. So for all the people who unintelligently suggest that anti EU people are the ignoramus's think again. You'd sell your soul for a few bob. The audacity of the EU then to tell the UK that under European Law they might not be allowed leave. Its no wonder the World is in the state it's in

Rag'n Bone man having posts removed AGAIN ...Sick fooker ...

How dare you nobody coming on here accusing me of having posts removed, i'm guessing it was your train one

If it was will then it was removed because they clearly thought the person who wrote it was about 5 years of age and too young to be on here. As i said if you are not able to add to the subject (and you're certainly not) then please don't post nonsense and let everybody else debate the matter at hand. You are guilty of being the person who has made more people shy away from this forum than any other, glad to see BF are now taking these steps now, BF was never intended for the likes of you (Sharp Minds).

the op just shows how lacking in understanding of why the british people voted the way they did?
politicians and people have to learn to listen? listen again?..and you will find there is no buyers remores? people would vote the same again ..if not larger margin for leave if the murder of jo cox had not occured?..you ask why and i will tell you this, it was about the uk control of its borders, laws, and money,this idea tapped into peoples discontent that laws were being passed for them by officals and politcians they did not elect?could not vote out? and did not identify with their concerns!
the vast majority of leave voters are not anti immigration or migrant, people just want to control their borders to help the pressure on public services and ensure the impact on the working class communitys is reasonable,they wanted a system that was fair?..but were told that is impossiable inside the eu? people knew what they were voting for,single market membership means accepting freedom of movement and the juristriction of the eu courts..the british people rejected this ..and so that means no membership of the single market!

Very good economic news for the UK today,economy growing solidly, no economist myself as said above but surely the doom mongers got a kick in the goolies with this.

Can't help but think a large percentage of the bawling are directly affected by the weakness of the currency and have a selfish agenda.

oz,
like many who fail to understand the reason the vote went the way it did, you cannot grasp that the eu is a dying institution..full of corrupt people not acting in the best interests of its people..brexit is just the start...italy and hungary next

Tony, thanks for putting me right as to the reason the vote went the way it did.  I always appreciate your economic insight.

Fortunately, I have a sack full of Lira and will hold onto them a while longer on your say so.

no probs oz..i like to help, just remember, £ will rise again ?

Unlike you, I don't have time to restate my position on common topics on a daily basis.

Nor frankly, do I have the inclination to discuss economic matters with people who fail to demonstrate even a basic grasp of the subject.

I would have thought the "Anglo" part would have been delighted with the news.

You do like to run people down Oz, you yourself maintained there were 53 homeless people in Ireland and you were 1st in the queue in the "pledge-a-bed" campaign for the economic migrants.

You are also keeping your own "economic insights" a closely guarded secret, google always have something to offer.
I thought Tony and Banjaxsed had fair enough points.

What is after happening is wages are stagnant for at least 5-8 years,due in part to cheap labour,property is unaffordable to even rent for many, If the UK can go back to the days of social housing in part rather than pander to landslord and banks i think they could have gained a flying start myself.

It is bad when communism is preferred by a lot of Eastern Europe due to the young being unable to get on the ladder unless inherited.

^ Exhibit A.

^ Reiterated the point nicely yourself.

You can see how people respond to DJ's intelligent, informed, perceptive points.

Why bother going to the effort?

That would be true of everyone else who responded to the topic, different viewpoints also have merit.

Not when they emanate from those who have conclusively shown themselves to be economically illiterate.

One simply does not come to the Irish Sports Forum if one wishes to constructively engage in economic debate.

One comes, rather, for the pantomime value.

Oh right, but you have added nothing to the thread except alluding that Britain is wrecked without any proof or indication whatsoever of HOW.

And you dear man provide plenty of that.....

Thats for Ozy btw ...Some on here love to put themselves up as economic experts, when its evident that the opposite is true .Worried about the fall of the pound are we ,well what about Americas infastructure ,to fix it is going to cost 3.5 trillion ,were do you think they'll get that from ,well I'll tell ya,the printing machines, thats were...

oh dear.

Again the inability to discuss something when the topic moves a bit,just the stock answers followed by a paen to someone he wants to befriend.
Then the descent into name calling culminating with a picture,its a tried and trusted formula.

Goodnight lads,it's worse it's getting;

I get that picture but have to admit I don't follow the first one.

Should try economics by pictures.

Makes sense since their policy on refugees was decided by photos.

A monument to their superficial minds.

its plain to see oz and his friend dislike the fact that all the doom and gloom that europhiles said would happen have shown up to be false..again on thursday brexit was shown to have no negative effect on the economy..the £ according to better educated people than us has been over valued, the last govenor of the bank of england ..has said so many times? merv king, is surely in abetter place than dj and oz? the eu is on life support..italys banks are in trouble..the poor greeks are treated as slaves..the hungarians are demanding a end to freemovement?..i only wish we could get out quicker

Tony, I am happy to elaborate on this topic if you can first honestly answer 2 simple questions:

1.  Have you scratched below the headline numbers announced last week?

2.  Do you have even a basic grasp of macro-economic terms and principles?

the answer to both questions is...yes

Trump victory is probably a good result for the UK.
The voting mirrored brexit in that the  public are dissatisfied with goverments that aren't interested in the wishes of the "small people". The pandering to big business and banks is now seemingly becoming unaccepted.

Stinker for the EU, Merkels congrats speech was through gritted teeth and no wonder, she has the complete opposite view to immigration.

Pa, there will  worried folk in European Governments after this , people have had enough of plutocrats running their lives....

I saw Merkel there WR, toss up who was sicker this morning her or Hilary.

What you have now WR is the "ordinary"people of Europe do not want econmic migrants particulary non-European,that is undisputed. They have no voice,they do not want it but can't do anything about it.
Two totally opposite policies,there wouldn't be a gel.

Pa ,after next years elections in France, Holland, etc there will be massive changes ,Merkels legacy will be like Obamas , nothing but but chaos ...

FTSE has been at a all time high since Brexit ...All the doomsdayers proved wrong yet again ...