ALL IRELAND FOOTBALL

11/10 Dublin is massive,  they'll piss over Donegal and Kerry and be 1/3 no matter who they play in the final.
8/1 on Galway to reach the final would also be massive but bookies are only paying 1/4 odds. ,  first 2 so nothing like that available. 
As you say Galway/Tipp should be high scoring,  I'd fancy Galway to have a bit to spare,  should cover the 3 pt handicap. Kyne is the first decent full back Galway have had for years, he'll take care on Quinliven,  Convoy is one of the best midfielders in the country and Cummins one of the best forwards. If Shane Walsh rediscovers his form there's a serious team in the making there

Didn't expect them to set up like this, you can rip up that overs docket

just reading ur summation above wim..kyne getting cleaned..convoy same.and cummins hasnt felt the weight of it too much..massive disapointment all around for galway..

Correct Kav, brutal. Got to hand it to Tipp,  if they took half their chances they'd have won by another 10

Great football from Tipp .  First semi final since the thirties .  Breath of fresh air today , good football , good sized players too .  Galway were pants .

how the fcuk did galway beat mayo?or are mayo gone?

What I would take most from today's results is that Kerry are looking good; they easily handled Clare today and Tipp previously in Munster.

Dublin may well win the All Irel, but given that they have to play Donegal, Kerry and, very likely, Tyrone or Mayo to do so, makes the 11/10 on them very poor value.

Two cracking games to finally get things going.Tyrone v Mayo is effectively a simi final as I don't see Tipp getting near either in the simi,not taking away from their stunning win over Galway.Hard game to call,slightly fancy Tyrone but the best bet here is over 35.5 points @evens,bet of the weekends games for me.Tyrone well capable of hitting big scores as are Mayo.Forget about the Ulster final which are always tight negative games,wide open spaces of Croke Park will suit both teams.
Dublin v Donegal I fancy may be closer than people think simply for the fact Dublin have not had a proper test in months.They should have the forwards to put Donegal away with ease but it's at the back I fear for them.If Donegal play Murphy around the middle and force Dublin to kick long they have the player of the year in waiting in McBrearty to do serious damage up front.Interesting to see where Murphy plays,this will be tactically fascinating.Donegal +5 the bet.

ROLL on the 21st Mayo vs TIPP !!!

Mayo lucky to beat Tyrone ( who are not great ) . Would not discount Tipperary although they will be big outsiders vs Mayo .

Dublin and Kerry would not be worried by what they saw today . Mayo do not look as good as they were a few years ago .

Mayo shat it there and got away with it.

Dubs running off the ball is very impressive, hard to believe its a Amateur sport looking at them.Having said that Donegal have just score a goal ..all to play for.

Come on the Dubs,

More UFC  than GAA, typical Dublin football

Donegal were gutless in that game.

I was watching the clock waiting for the surge against 14 men to begin but they just sat back with everyone behind the ball and allowed the dubs to mock them killing time playing it across and back at a walk .

At no stage did Donegal show any courage to go press and try win the ball and the game.

They might have got picked off but plan A didn't look like bearing fruit at any stage.

O Gara sending of was a joke, to be fair the Donegal player didn,t make to much of it but the ref got it wrong.

It was but in fairness from the umpires position it would have looked like a punch.  He was stupid to risk it at any way you look at it.

Connelly was a touch unfortunate as well.

So of those are borderline with the attacker going down it makes it look higher but again you have to be aware of it and not go so high.

I'm just shocked by Donegals lack of ambition in the last 15/20 mins.

They were 4 or more points behind at all this time yet looked to be playing for one chance like a team one score behind.

I just don't get it.

Surprised by the inconsistency shown by ref in Donegal vs Dublin match . After 14 minutes Donegal no 14 floored Dublin no 8 with what looked liked a clenched fist to the jaw .  Visible lump on No 8 's lower jaw . Lucky the No 8 is a big guy . Yellow card .

5 minutes to go , O'Gara comes on for Dublin , fairly meagre challenge to Donegal player with an open palm , straight red card .

Sean Kavanagh was sent off in the Tyrone vs Mayo match , for a second yellow ( high tackle) which resulted from an attempt to strip the ball off Mayo no 11 , who deflected the attempted "tackle " upwards . Probably cost Tyrone the match . Mayo no 11 got a right few bye balls too for activity throughout the match .

Overall the movement of the ball around the field now induces crowding , partly because there are 25 plus players in the one half .  The main attacking platform nowadays seems to be the 1-2 , repeated again and again via use of 5 yard hand passes , there is no opportunity for proper tackling by backs as the ball is moving very quickly because it does not have to be controlled , just shipped onwards after 3 or 4 steps . Most of the high ( and properly penalised ) arm tackles seem to be the result of frustration in my opinion .

Change the hand pass rule , give us back football instead of erzatz BASKETball ! Fed up with full court presses in Croke Park .

Waterford getting a few poor ref decisions(certain 70 from goal chance,and no free in for picking ball off ground for KK) Hope they hold on.

Oh ye blew it Waterford!!
Too many wides late on and hitting the ball where there was no one,pity think you deserved it by far.

Phenomenal performance from Waterford , albeit only getting a replay despite playing most of the hurling .  Unlucky .

Waterford missed the boat today.......end of.

Incredible game, just fabulous hurling intensity skill and desire...

I do sympathize with Waterford, very fine lines.

How can they play so well again in just a weeks time.

6 day turn around will advantage the younger team.kk bench looks bare enough apart from larkin.thurles will suit a young waterford team,big pitch and they play there a good bit.  and still waterford are 7/2 to prevail...

Waterford are value and should have won last time, they dropped back and became inhibited. the likes of Davy and McGrath and their what we have we hold attitudes are negatives in tight games.

Kilkenny at present, do not have an all-round hurler of the caliber of Austin Gleeson, yet Waterford will doubtlessly doff the cap in the way they will line up.

Waterford need to stand on their throat when they get em down this week.

Gleeson will not get any freedom tomorrow. The shackles will be on him.

a few waterford players underperformed tho gant?  dunford in particular.if he starts off well he could beat them on his own..hes got some skill..

5 Kilkenny forwards underperformed.....Richie Hogan the only one who played up to scratch.

kk have about 9-10 good/Class hurlers and the rest are poor.  It is a testament to their team spirit, workrate and also to the dross they are taking on that they can still win.  Waterford were 8-9 points a better side last week and still couldnt win.

Gleeson was on form last week but is more likely than not to hit about 10 wides tomorrow.  It will say far more about Waterford if they fail to beat a poor KK side and make no mistake this is a poor KK side.  JJ Farell wouldnt get into any of the other 3 semi finalists panel never mind their team.

agree and possibly prendergast?  still they got spirit grit and most of all cody!!

Seems no end in sight of the cats dominance.Feel for Waterford as they were unreal for most of last Sunday's game but yet still came up just short.
Galway are hugely overpriced at 9/4 against Tipp.This game for me is a coin toss,you can get evens Galway with a 3 point start which is serious value.Can't believe Bubbles won't start,just mind games for sure by the management.All the talk is that Tipp half back line will clean up so be very interested to see where Joe lines out.Cracker in store......don't' rule out the draw!!

Another stunning hurling encounter .  Both sides gave their all , the Cats just a ( very small) bit cuter . Worth double the entrance money compared with other more  hyped up sports .

Think todays match will also be spell binding , particularly if Galway hold their form from last match .

I love watching Hurling,  Anyone know how the game is viewed in other countries ? [ re Sky sports ]

As i said, Waterford missed the boat. You just don't get two bites of the Kilkenny cherry.

Cant see past Tipp today.

Only the physical presence of Galway can induce a loss inmho.

I can't see past Tipp either, know more would be clued in than me with Gaa but 11/10 ht/ft is my interest in this.

Felt for Waterford,still a very handy team.
£100 million footballers or lads with a stick in their hand this afternoon, no contest whatsoever.

Galway lead at H/T.Looks like Big Joe done his Hammy. Huge loss.Should give Tipp the impetus to drive on in what is a poor game and nowhere near the standard or intensity of yesterday or first match.

Yes no classic,Tipp very mediocre for long periods.
You called the game spot on "The stunning".

best game in the world for sure.where would you see excitement like last nite and today..?  absolute class.bravery,skill and comittment..  bring on tipp/kilkenny   ill be there i hope if im lucky enough to get a ticket ..

Well done Tipp,never going to be much in it but it was their turn.Pity Joe had to go off as he was a huge loss but those quick fire goals in the 2nd half were the difference.Thought there was loads of intensity but the quality didn't match last years.
The final should be some game.Mick Fennelly will be a massive loss for the Cats,but they will still be favourite's,and Bubbles has to start the final,one of the top 5 forwards in the game,can't believe he was on the bench today

Great game in store today but has to be Kilkenny for me.When the pressure is on have to fancy the cats to turn the screw.Some interesting bets,when will you ever get Kilkenny at odds against in an All Ireland final.Kevin Kelly @20s to be MOTM is interesting as Cody has form in picking these gems out on All Ireland Final day,Fogarty,Walsh spring to mind.Guy in the RP is see has tipped Tipp to win by 6 or more,basing on both teams form against Waterford.Munster Final was a one off for me so can bin that argument.Killkenny by 3.

Kilkenny @11/10
Kevin Kelly to score a goal @13/5
Kevin Kelly MOTM @20s

RP guy on the ball .  The money pre match was for Tipp , down to evens ( and maybe a small bit at odds on ) not long before the start . Draw went down to 7/1 or so in running , which in retrospect seems skinny , but Kilkenny also were odds on slightly after their goal .

Kilkenny made no changes worth talking about , maybe they had little on the bench given what was happening to their full back line.

Tipp going to be hard to beat for a while , Galway maybe the most likely heir apparent .

Watched a couple of near scorelss soccer internationals tonight , compare the fare on offer as against the hurling this afternoon and you wonder what the sporting world has come to .

You didn't need to see money to know that the KK full-back line wouldn't hold Callanan, Bubbles and Noel McGrath, you just needed to watch some hurling!

There's Tipp fellas that had their life on them yesterday, some team, and the only KK team that would've beat that version of Tipp was the prime Delaney, Walsh, Sheflin model regardless of who was injured yesterday. KK hadn't 15 hurlers in the county for this job.

Yesterday showed what most people have known for many years.  KK have 15 players and nothing else on the bench.  This BS that went around over the last 10 years about them having two teams that could win an All Ireland!

Its the same rubbish that you hear about the Dublin football team.  Best Football side ever?  There are not even as good as the Dublin team of 4 or 5 years ago.

You have Flynn who is a shadow of himself.  Brogan who has lost all pace and if he doesnt get the ball facing the goal he cant do a thing.  McMenenamin who had a freak game in the semi final kicking two off his left when he can barely stand on it.  Rock again had a freak game and wont have it again and Connolly (Brilliant footballer) scores his 2 or 3 points a game but doesnt really create anything for the team.
I think Mayo have a huge chance in a few weeks. 

Dublin are a very good team but some of the lauding of them is embarrassing.

i hope your right about mayo bws..ive a good ew double tipp mayo.   mayo will have to show something they havent shown since the semi final 2015   im not optimistic they have it in them..lets hope im wrong

Everyone is entitled to opinions on these games but the after timing ruins these threads.
For what it's worth I had no bet and had no opinion either way but where was the likes of NeillD before the match , it's so much easier telling us about the Kilkenny full back line and the Tipp forwards when it's all done and dusted. And the ridiculous reference to the Tipp lads who had their lives on them yesterday, but no mention of all the finals that they lost. I assume these lads didn't play at all in any of those games .
And then to cap it all off you have the high king of All Ireland when it comes to after dinner speaking, and that of course is Kelly , who gives reference to his lovely ew double Tipp and Mayo, again it's amazing that we are never made aware of this wager prior to yesterday's game
In fairness to Bigwillystyle , he will place his cards on the table pre race , and if he's wrong , which I think he is regarding the football , then fair enough.
My personal opinion is that Mayo wouldn't beat pusssy, and Dublin are a stone wall to beat them and cover whatever handicap there is as well.
I will be investing on Dublin - 3 or -4 , whatever it may be and won't be telling people afterwards that I didn't lose if I do.

i presume its my ew double you mean jimeen?  i told all and sundry on another gaa thread here who i fancied last may and what bets i had done..i done tipp lasy year also and get a bit of a cleaning on them as they lost to galway in semi.. id also say if i had it back i wouldnt have backed mayo even tho the bet is still alive..id tend to agree with you that dublin will cover the cap..id trade the bet but dublin being 4/11 its hard

Dublin have not beaten the handicap once in the championship this year.

Yes kavvie, my sincerest apologies to Kelly concerning this bet.
I hadn't my glasses on and I misread the name , and apologies to yourself also if you have indeed made people aware of this wager elsewhere.
Bigwillystyle, they will cover it this time because they have been toying with teams all year and not putting them to the sword . They nearly came unstuck against Kerry . For that reason , my belief is that if they do in fact gain ascendant in the final, then they will hammer it home on this occasion .
And maybe you're correct and Dublin aren't as good as people are saying, but Mayo have gone backwards,  and are in for a lesson in my book.

I have been wrong plenty of times and will be wrong plenty more but i cant help but feel this Dublin team is nowhere near as good as they are made out to be.  The standard on opposition is horrendous at the minute.  They beat a Kerry team with how many 30 year olds in their side? 

They have some very ordinary players in their side and plenty that are just about past it.  The Dubs have very little on the bench contrary to popular opinion.  Mannion would be the only player that can change the game IMO.

I agree that Mayo look like they have gone backwards but it just looks perfectly setup for them.  No hype from their own, Media fawning over Dublin at every chance, and Mayo have played brutal all year as opposed to previous years where they shot their bolt before the final.  They won the U21 and it i felt from a long way out that it was their year.

Only downside is rumours that the players took back control of the team early in the summer.  Dont like hearing these things.

Sorry Jimeen, I came accross fairly bad reading back, I'm sure I wrote on one of Wildman's threads a few weeks ago that Tipp would piss in. I'll bring that up now if I can find it. Should be easy enough.

Apologies to anyone who backed Kilkenny, reading back, I can see how it came accross. I'll bring up Wildman's thread. Wasn't around yesterday before the game, should've posted on Wildman's thread (who said Tipp would win as well) and kept my mouth shut on this one, apologies again. I dislike aftertiming as much as anybody else! Been the soldier on the other end manys a time.

Fair play neilld, I may have been a bit harsh but you didn't take umbrage .
Not blowing smoke up your bottom but you would be on my list of interesting posters on here. There are quite a few , as well as some less interesting contributors.
Good luck to you

Thanks Jimeen, same to you, enjoy the Racing at the weekend.

Wondered how I got in the mix in this "debate" , Jimeen . Only opinion I posted on the hurling was I couldn't pick a winner , but I suspected the game would fluctuate . It did .

Having got almost everything wrong this season I'm hoping to recoup my losses today with what looks a super bet,famous last words.11/10 now looks massive for the Dubs,can't see the blowing this...best bet for me is 8/11 under 38.5 points.Rain is coming down heavy in the west and is spreading to the east so expect plenty of slipping which should lead to a cagey game.A black card at 4/7 is also a racing cert if you ask me.
You can no longer place bets on minor games but wonder how the handicap would work on the minor final,Galway +20 if the hype is to be believed regarding this Kerry team!

Exciting match but poor quality to be fair. Conditions certainly didn't help but neither do the stupid rules. Mayo left it behind them but surely they must get great confidence from yesterday's game . Bigwillystyle was indeed correct and Dublin are vastly over rated. Mayo have every chance the next day , but there should be no replay as it should have been finished yesterday. They can finish World Cup finals , Champions League finals , in fact is there any other sport in the world where their flagship event can't be settled on the day.
It's a typical Irish thing, we will play 2 mins or 8 mins extra time , anything that's required to try and manufacture a draw somehow.

You are correct Jimeen.  Should be finished on the day.
Dublin have a fair few ordinary players, i cant believe what im hearing from these so called pundits. Dont think this Mayo team lack confidence.  Have had similar results against Dublin many times.  They needed the luck Dublin got yesterday.  Very hard to get over the line when trying to bridge the 65 year gap and the pressure that comes with that.  Id say if they scramble over the line this year they are good enough to win another next year.

Seems very low profile to this game,think it's always the way with replays but unless your from Dublin or Mayo it has flown under the radar.Not sure I believe Mayo left it behind them as they were 3 points down late in the game.Still have to go for the Dubs to win.All the talk is of Keegan vConnelly duel,think one or both may get the line.My bet is over 34.5 points scored as see it opening up a lot and the weather is set fair.

It's finally stopped raining, been lashing down all morning

Passing the sunshine over too ye.....clear blue sky on the way

I hope so as if it goes back to the way it was this morning i don't fancy stepping foot outside the door

rumours here cillian o connor is out

Disgraceful scenes,there would be arrests for assault if it was outside Croke Park.

From a neutrals point of view there's some pretty disgusting individuals on that Dublin team.

An embarressment to the game(both sides),it was bad 1st time around,how the GAA leaves it go on i don't know.
Any non Irish watching that i shudder to think of the impression it makes, stamp it out lively.

Come on the Dubs

Ref couldn't quite manage another draw, he tried hard.

It is an ugly game at the moment.

What did you expect Pa ?  Handbags at ten paces

No need for the caper just before half time FRANK, fellas grabbing each other by the throat and throwing dawks,sickening stuff and not sport in the true sense at all.

PA Its part of the game for many years now , when it comes to the all ireland finals its every man for himself and his team.

It is shameful behaviour,you can stick up for it if you want,i'd be ashamed if Cork (who aren't good enough) behaved like that, win at all costs,no thanks, the game is in disrepute,the two finals were disgraceful.

Yes there was a nasty undercurrent but it was compulsive viewing for many , there are some very skilled players on display but the ferocity of the defending makes it very hard to show the flair ....after all we are a society that glorifies Conor mcgregor and other cage fighters not to mention big fat robbing travellers ...

Makes you appreciate the hurling. I can't remember one dirty stroke in this years final.

True Mitch Hurling is a far better game to watch , If the Dubs won the hurling i would die happy, alas its nearly 80years since it happened.