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Lets show we mean business in defending ourselves,call a halt to all Muslim immigration.
It will show others what to do and will save us a fortune,put the money saved into our under siege health service.
It will show others what to do and will save us a fortune,put the money saved into our under siege health service.
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It won't happen by the Irish Goverment, Hungary,Poland and Italy are doing their best and realise the threat of a savage culture.
Unless people instead of being apathetic move to more far right views (Pegida is a start) it will remain as is.
You couldn't make it up,the doors thrown open,they hate us(infidels) and the bleeding hearts bating each other to show how good they are.
Madness,and the only hope is ordinary people can speak up(uncensored),the future is bleak.
Unless people instead of being apathetic move to more far right views (Pegida is a start) it will remain as is.
You couldn't make it up,the doors thrown open,they hate us(infidels) and the bleeding hearts bating each other to show how good they are.
Madness,and the only hope is ordinary people can speak up(uncensored),the future is bleak.
I can but dream.
We are in a good position in that we don't have the Muslim no go areas yet but the way our leaders capitulate to Europe its odds on Merkel will make us take the ones Germany doesn't want.
We are in a good position in that we don't have the Muslim no go areas yet but the way our leaders capitulate to Europe its odds on Merkel will make us take the ones Germany doesn't want.
What a spineless bunch the Europeans(and Ireland) are,on a whim of Merkel and we are supposed to just accept it whatever chancers are foisted on us? Bit different with her country in regards workforce and aging population but the likes of Greece,Spain and even Ireland have enough fiscal problems for their own.
According to the 2011 census they are very nearly 500,000 non nationals calling Ireland their home,most are welcome,they work and contribute to the excheqeur and generally they act in a civilised fashion,it isn't a bad thing though persoally think the figure is enough as i would like to see Ireland/Irish as a nation/race keep some semblance of its own identity.
With all that has gone on with these fake refugees behaviour in Europe in mere months, sure Enda or whoever will at least have a referendum(it could even surpass Lisbon numerically), maybe i'm dreaming as well though.
According to the 2011 census they are very nearly 500,000 non nationals calling Ireland their home,most are welcome,they work and contribute to the excheqeur and generally they act in a civilised fashion,it isn't a bad thing though persoally think the figure is enough as i would like to see Ireland/Irish as a nation/race keep some semblance of its own identity.
With all that has gone on with these fake refugees behaviour in Europe in mere months, sure Enda or whoever will at least have a referendum(it could even surpass Lisbon numerically), maybe i'm dreaming as well though.
Surely its the east europeans who are bleeding thre irish "systems" dry imo
However im sure isis see ireland as a soft touch target as garda intelligence would not be the best imo and thats a big worry .
However im sure isis see ireland as a soft touch target as garda intelligence would not be the best imo and thats a big worry .
The East Europeans don't want to kill us.
The East Europeans will assimilate.
Its the East Europeans who are leading the way in objecting to Germany's plan to winnow out the refugees and force some unwanted on other European countries.
The East Europeans will assimilate.
Its the East Europeans who are leading the way in objecting to Germany's plan to winnow out the refugees and force some unwanted on other European countries.
The Eastern Europeans also work , yes for a lot less than we do ,but at least they give something back . On the other hand over 90% of Muslims DONT work , have a wild guess when they get their money from .. Correct...
Wise words tony57.
Anyway wouldn't these people be better off remaining in an environment and climate they're accustomed to. Why would anyone want to come to Dublin -an overcrowded crime-ridden kip or to the god-forsaken rain-lashed flooded bogholes west of the M50 ?
Or to a country where Michael Healy-Rae might be a Minister ?
Anyway wouldn't these people be better off remaining in an environment and climate they're accustomed to. Why would anyone want to come to Dublin -an overcrowded crime-ridden kip or to the god-forsaken rain-lashed flooded bogholes west of the M50 ?
Or to a country where Michael Healy-Rae might be a Minister ?
It couid be a lot worse Vubiant , the could be sent up NORTH....
Vubiant don't underestimate Michael Healy Rae.
Forget the cap,forget the staccato delivery and listen to what he says,he speaks a lot of sense.
When asked in true RTE emotional style what to do about Syrian refugee he replied you solve the homeless crisis here first as well as the hospital problem.
Aine Lawlor looked shocked I'm still in a state of shock.
Forget the cap,forget the staccato delivery and listen to what he says,he speaks a lot of sense.
When asked in true RTE emotional style what to do about Syrian refugee he replied you solve the homeless crisis here first as well as the hospital problem.
Aine Lawlor looked shocked I'm still in a state of shock.
I see the offer of beds to theses refugees seems to have dried up...
Where do you see that Wonks? Probably the same place you saw the 'fact' that "90% of Muslims don't work".
And anyone who claim that "we should stop all Muslim immigration" is an intellectual Pygmy. With apologies to all Pygmies tuning in.
And anyone who claim that "we should stop all Muslim immigration" is an intellectual Pygmy. With apologies to all Pygmies tuning in.
Some of you lads might need to rein yourselves in;
Talent agency boss who 'confronted a Muslim woman in London and asked her to explain Brussels' is ARRESTED for 'inciting racial hatred'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3506275/Publicity-boss-asked-Muslim-...
Talent agency boss who 'confronted a Muslim woman in London and asked her to explain Brussels' is ARRESTED for 'inciting racial hatred'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3506275/Publicity-boss-asked-Muslim-...
What? Innocent people going about their business guilty of nothing except being in the wrong place at the wrong time butchered by fruit loops and you wonder why people are angry?
A very high number of moslems(800) in Belgium going to fight for their religion, you may have underestimated the number of that aren't fundamentalist. They all read the same book don't they.
You have evaded the question of their attitude to women and why they consider us(Western people) infidels, don't be so naive to come out yet again with that's the minority spiel yet again.
A very high number of moslems(800) in Belgium going to fight for their religion, you may have underestimated the number of that aren't fundamentalist. They all read the same book don't they.
You have evaded the question of their attitude to women and why they consider us(Western people) infidels, don't be so naive to come out yet again with that's the minority spiel yet again.
i see the tide is turning, the left are now having to back track and meet the worrys of the people, all i see is normal working people in area who are labour and trade unionists starting to say, dont let anymore in..till we prove who they are?..and we must vote out of eu. there will always be aid for these people but they must be kept in camps near there own countrys..jordan have a few that have schools hospitals etc...
Its bizarre that the european security/ intelligence agencies apparently dont share info about i.s. Terrorists etc
Belgium/france especially seem to have problems
Belgium/france especially seem to have problems
i see the tide is turning, the left are now having to back track
It's never been the Left, you Pleb. Champagne Socialists, Liberals and Humanitarians...Yes. The enlightened educated Right and Big Business....Yes. But the Left's core support is the Working man with skills that a Migrant can easily replicate at half the price ...the Left has always had the most to fear.
It's never been the Left, you Pleb. Champagne Socialists, Liberals and Humanitarians...Yes. The enlightened educated Right and Big Business....Yes. But the Left's core support is the Working man with skills that a Migrant can easily replicate at half the price ...the Left has always had the most to fear.
its the left that crys when the pictures of people are shown dying, was it not the labour party that made this goverment take in refugees, dont tell me about the left soft lad,since time began workers from other countrys have under cut others or scabs breaks strikes....but at the heart of the left is a caring humanity for a better internatinal world...thats the left ive always been with not any other.
What? Innocent people going about their business guilty of nothing except being in the wrong place at the wrong time butchered by fruit loops and you wonder why people are angry?
Pull yourself together, Pa. I have never wondered why people are angry. Everyone is angry about indiscriminate terror. Its a question of where this anger is directed.
They all read the same book don't they.
Yes, but it becomes a question of interpretation. Much of the dirt you throw at Islam relates only to strain of Islam, Wahhabism. Isil is the latest extreme radical reinterpretation of Wahhabism. They even consider non-Wahhabist Muslims as their enemy (within).
Feel free to go all Donald and call for these guys to be wiped from the face of the earth. Just don't be the simpleton who rails against all Islam.
Pull yourself together, Pa. I have never wondered why people are angry. Everyone is angry about indiscriminate terror. Its a question of where this anger is directed.
They all read the same book don't they.
Yes, but it becomes a question of interpretation. Much of the dirt you throw at Islam relates only to strain of Islam, Wahhabism. Isil is the latest extreme radical reinterpretation of Wahhabism. They even consider non-Wahhabist Muslims as their enemy (within).
Feel free to go all Donald and call for these guys to be wiped from the face of the earth. Just don't be the simpleton who rails against all Islam.
yes they do consider other forms of islam as infidels..but my worry is that a lot that are here already want to change our countrys,,they want sharia law to be the same as british law, they want mosques all over the place ,they want all that we give but then when we go to their countrys we get are heads cut off for wanting to live as we do?..ive come to the conclusion that most of the people born into islam are not compatable with western life..and should not be allowed to live in it.
Back up the truck, Tony!
ive come to the conclusion that most of the people born into islam are not compatable with western life..and should not be allowed to live in it.
Most, Tony, MOST? Really? What are you like?
ive come to the conclusion that most of the people born into islam are not compatable with western life..and should not be allowed to live in it.
Most, Tony, MOST? Really? What are you like?
This is a good example of why you would not enter into a substantive conversation with another person in a Bookies, if you were to enter a Bookies 
Cherry picking again?
You still evade their attitude towards women.
As said before i have lived in Ilford, not a day went by with hatred shown and more than once knives were brandished,maybe unlucky enough to keep bumping into these wahibism guys but the sneaking suspicion is i was veiwed as an infidel and they weren't all wahibis. There and surrounding areas were abandoned by myself and most of the then indigneous population.
It isn't only wahhibism but also the more conservative deobandi(both have a presence in British mosques) that are anti western,why are you also evading that question.
You still evade their attitude towards women.
As said before i have lived in Ilford, not a day went by with hatred shown and more than once knives were brandished,maybe unlucky enough to keep bumping into these wahibism guys but the sneaking suspicion is i was veiwed as an infidel and they weren't all wahibis. There and surrounding areas were abandoned by myself and most of the then indigneous population.
It isn't only wahhibism but also the more conservative deobandi(both have a presence in British mosques) that are anti western,why are you also evading that question.
You still evade their attitude towards women.
Can you be more precise, please? Who's attitude towards Women?
I have lived in the world's most populus Muslim country, 200 odd million of them, I saw no issue with their attitude towards women. Equally, I studied alongside Muslim women from many corners of the world. I am friendly with many Muslim women who are amongst the leaading lights in their respective professions.
Of course there are backward strains of Islam where their attitudes towards women are barbaric, no one is suggesting otherwise. If you are refering to these strains, can you please do so in the question.
Articulate, Pa.
Can you be more precise, please? Who's attitude towards Women?
I have lived in the world's most populus Muslim country, 200 odd million of them, I saw no issue with their attitude towards women. Equally, I studied alongside Muslim women from many corners of the world. I am friendly with many Muslim women who are amongst the leaading lights in their respective professions.
Of course there are backward strains of Islam where their attitudes towards women are barbaric, no one is suggesting otherwise. If you are refering to these strains, can you please do so in the question.
Articulate, Pa.
ozy has this mistaken belief that hes oh so much smarter than everyone else when in fact hes just a boring **** full of self importance.im not a fan of religion in any form and some religions are much more fcuked up than others,muslim being a prime example! get the muslims out and dont let any more back in.
ozzy,
a muslim thinktank has said 33% of muslims in britain support sharia law? also they have sympathy for the views spouted by the paris attackers? is this not enough?i was very sympathetic to letting a lot of the refugees in...but we must be realistic now, these people will not and cannot intergrate in our countrys.
a muslim thinktank has said 33% of muslims in britain support sharia law? also they have sympathy for the views spouted by the paris attackers? is this not enough?i was very sympathetic to letting a lot of the refugees in...but we must be realistic now, these people will not and cannot intergrate in our countrys.
oz, read this
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article/-3507086/why-no-one-admit-way-western-muslims-raise-children-formenting-terror.html
from a muslim mother
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article/-3507086/why-no-one-admit-way-western-muslims-raise-children-formenting-terror.html
from a muslim mother
Tony, please don't do a Wonks and just lazily quoted a figure with no reference to its precise source or provenance.
There are plenty of specialised websites whose main function is to quote such findings in order to further their agenda. Their headline will be "20% have sympathy for the Terrorists views"....and buried near the bottom of the article will be the finding that over 99% of British Muslims thought the bombers were wrong to carry out the atrocity. Usually based on a paltry 500 respondents. And its all about how the question is phrased.
The shame of it is that indiscriminate lazy tarring of all Muslims with the same brush further increases their communities feelings of isolation and alienation from mainstream society.
There are plenty of specialised websites whose main function is to quote such findings in order to further their agenda. Their headline will be "20% have sympathy for the Terrorists views"....and buried near the bottom of the article will be the finding that over 99% of British Muslims thought the bombers were wrong to carry out the atrocity. Usually based on a paltry 500 respondents. And its all about how the question is phrased.
The shame of it is that indiscriminate lazy tarring of all Muslims with the same brush further increases their communities feelings of isolation and alienation from mainstream society.
That was in reply to your previous message. Will read the link presently.
Two things are possible here ,one is D'ozy is a woman ?. I go 1/1 on that , second, D'ozy was a cleaner in a middle eastern Uni, this is a 4/7 shot ...
can you combine those in a dbl workrider or is it a related contingency?
Indonesia has a thriving democracy, a free press, a wide range of vigorous nongovernmental organizations, and vibrant social media. There are many more than 200 million Muslims in Indonesia, yet Secular national parties get a bigger vote than Islam-based parties at election after election. Even more important, the political parties loosely based on Islamic associations or identities are overwhelmingly moderate.
Islam in Indonesia is self-confident in its identity, both its religious and its civic identity. It has long, old, continuous indigenous traditions of Islamic practice and scholarship. It furnishes its citizens with many acceptable ways to be Islamic.
Although Indonesian Muslims are a numerical majority, they live alongside Hindus and Buddhists who predated them on the island, and they share and mix spiritual traditions. Indonesia’s national motto is bhinneka tunggal ika, or “unity in diversity,” and that ethos is central to the country’s Muslim traditions
Each time the Islamic State, commits violence in the name of Islam, a familiar refrain arises: What’s the Muslim world doing about it?
In Indonesia, a massive anti-extremism movement is underway. Nahdlatul Ulama, or NU, is the largest independent Islamic organization in the world, with 50 million members. NU’s stated goal is to “to spread messages about a tolerant Islam in their respective countries to curb radicalism, extremism and terrorism,” which, it claims, “often spring from a misinterpretation of Islamic teachings.” It launched its global anti-extremism initiative in 2014.
Islam in Indonesia is self-confident in its identity, both its religious and its civic identity. It has long, old, continuous indigenous traditions of Islamic practice and scholarship. It furnishes its citizens with many acceptable ways to be Islamic.
Although Indonesian Muslims are a numerical majority, they live alongside Hindus and Buddhists who predated them on the island, and they share and mix spiritual traditions. Indonesia’s national motto is bhinneka tunggal ika, or “unity in diversity,” and that ethos is central to the country’s Muslim traditions
Each time the Islamic State, commits violence in the name of Islam, a familiar refrain arises: What’s the Muslim world doing about it?
In Indonesia, a massive anti-extremism movement is underway. Nahdlatul Ulama, or NU, is the largest independent Islamic organization in the world, with 50 million members. NU’s stated goal is to “to spread messages about a tolerant Islam in their respective countries to curb radicalism, extremism and terrorism,” which, it claims, “often spring from a misinterpretation of Islamic teachings.” It launched its global anti-extremism initiative in 2014.
The words to note are "Which it claims" . "Often spring from a misinterpretation of Islamic teachings. " Sound familiar anyone...
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There is however Sharia Law in parts of Indonesia and a history of ethnic cleansing.
If Indonesia is as good as Ozymandius claims why aren't they taking in refugees.
There is however Sharia Law in parts of Indonesia and a history of ethnic cleansing.
If Indonesia is as good as Ozymandius claims why aren't they taking in refugees.
Fair point and tend to agree the men of 1916 hadn't a German puppet state in mind.
Maybe the tide is turning,firstly the UK will have to leave Europe,the ordinary people of Europe are questioning the foisting of these migrants and the Paris,Brussels,Colognes etc it brings with them.
Wasn't against the European Union but as a small country we have no voice, Merkels whims are in the best interest of the country or any other country in the EU imo.
Maybe the tide is turning,firstly the UK will have to leave Europe,the ordinary people of Europe are questioning the foisting of these migrants and the Paris,Brussels,Colognes etc it brings with them.
Wasn't against the European Union but as a small country we have no voice, Merkels whims are in the best interest of the country or any other country in the EU imo.
True,hardly utophia there
Educational,environmental ,corruption,healtcare,human rights mess
Educational,environmental ,corruption,healtcare,human rights mess
Talk about a Strawman argument!
No one has claimed its a Utopia! Where is?
No one has claimed its a Utopia! Where is?
Just insults from you Ozymanius and a complete inability to make an argument.
Any reason why Indonesia dont take in some refugees.
Any reason why Indonesia dont take in some refugees.
What you mean apart from apart from relative poverty vis a vis the First World, lack of social welfare blanket for existing citizens, difficulties and costs of transport, lack of employment opportunities, a young population etc etc etc
All that said....despite these obvious impediments Indonesia has taken a similar number of Refugees to Ireland (approx 5,000)
All that said....despite these obvious impediments Indonesia has taken a similar number of Refugees to Ireland (approx 5,000)
And while we are on the subject, as of September 2015;
Of the 4 million Syrians who have fled their country since the war began, including hundreds of thousands who have poured into Europe, the number who have been resettled in Britain could fit on a single London Underground train — with plenty of seats to spare.
Just 216 Syrian refugees have qualified for the government’s official relocation program, according to data released last week.
Of the 4 million Syrians who have fled their country since the war began, including hundreds of thousands who have poured into Europe, the number who have been resettled in Britain could fit on a single London Underground train — with plenty of seats to spare.
Just 216 Syrian refugees have qualified for the government’s official relocation program, according to data released last week.
And just to pull you up on a Typo earlier....
Just insults from you Ozymanius and a complete inability to make an argument....... can only assume you meant to type 'Wonks'..rather than 'Ozy'......
Just insults from you Ozymanius and a complete inability to make an argument....... can only assume you meant to type 'Wonks'..rather than 'Ozy'......
And now, if you don't mind, please excuse me, I am heading to the beach to catch some rays. 25 degrees Baby 
To add to Oz's description of Indonesia (of which I personally know nothing).
93% of Indonesian men say that a wife should always obey her husband
72% of Indonesians favour the making of sharia the law in their country. Chillingly 48% of that 72% favour stoning as punishment for adultery.
Much of their other statistics are more progressive (in western terms). While I originally posted in order to try to refute Oz's post, much of what he says of Indonesia seems broadly correct. I have learnt something new today.
However my source is disquieting reading.It provides the views of Muslims in their own words. I am providing the link below. More and more I am coming to the belief that some groups views and morals are incompatible with our society as it is now. I do not believe that many of these group (including Muslims) want or aspire to integrate in any meaningful way with us. Those people have no place here. It is a nonsense that we should accommodate them. I have never heard a single compelling argument in favour of it.
http://www.pewforum.org/files/2013/04/worlds-muslims-religion-politics-socie...
93% of Indonesian men say that a wife should always obey her husband
72% of Indonesians favour the making of sharia the law in their country. Chillingly 48% of that 72% favour stoning as punishment for adultery.
Much of their other statistics are more progressive (in western terms). While I originally posted in order to try to refute Oz's post, much of what he says of Indonesia seems broadly correct. I have learnt something new today.
However my source is disquieting reading.It provides the views of Muslims in their own words. I am providing the link below. More and more I am coming to the belief that some groups views and morals are incompatible with our society as it is now. I do not believe that many of these group (including Muslims) want or aspire to integrate in any meaningful way with us. Those people have no place here. It is a nonsense that we should accommodate them. I have never heard a single compelling argument in favour of it.
http://www.pewforum.org/files/2013/04/worlds-muslims-religion-politics-socie...
You are in overtime googling.
This is reminiscent of the time you claimed Irelands homeless consisted of 53 individuals.
37,000 have tried to enter Britain illegally through the Eurotunnel in the short few months of the year so far.How many got through?
This is reminiscent of the time you claimed Irelands homeless consisted of 53 individuals.
37,000 have tried to enter Britain illegally through the Eurotunnel in the short few months of the year so far.How many got through?
" Indonesia has taken in the same number of refugees as Ireland "
Look at the size and population of Indonesia compared to Ireland,all heart those Indonesians and these are their co religionists.
Look at the size and population of Indonesia compared to Ireland,all heart those Indonesians and these are their co religionists.
Hi DeargDubh, can you please post a link to the original source of those survey results thanks.
Will look at them when I return later.
Will look at them when I return later.
Your original question was
Any reason why Indonesia don't take in some refugees.
Now you want to know why they don't take more? Am I following correctly?
Any reason why Indonesia don't take in some refugees.
Now you want to know why they don't take more? Am I following correctly?
I admit I know little of the Pew Foundation. They describe themselves as non partisan but....
Ozymandius berates Ireland for not taking in enough refugees but has no problem with this tolerant Muslim country he has lived in taking in in relative terms about a fiftieth of what we've taken in.
DeargDubh is right they are not compatible to western culture.
Its an invasion and they are a fifth column.
Women have never had it so good and yet the feminists who scream the house down over alleged rape culture in universities don't see a real rape culture looming large.
DeargDubh is right they are not compatible to western culture.
Its an invasion and they are a fifth column.
Women have never had it so good and yet the feminists who scream the house down over alleged rape culture in universities don't see a real rape culture looming large.
Oh the irony of it , D'ozy now looking for excuses to hide , last time I stepped out around 30mins ago it was 5 degrees, what a sad individual you are mate . Living the life alright ,sadly its all in your head ...
Brilliant article in the Independent from Carol Hunt , for the first time it looks as if journalists are wakening up to the possibility that they might have got it wrong . Carol gives a eye opening account of the media getting it wrong . Well done young woman ...
Yes , another winner for you I see , any chance of a loan ... Irish Independent ..
Irish Independent ..
you know if ive got it mate your welcome
..i,ll look that uo after racing..hope noels other wins the next..
..i,ll look that uo after racing..hope noels other wins the next..
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You still evade their attitude towards women.
Can you be more precise, please? Who's attitude towards Women?
I have lived in the world's most populus Muslim country, 200 odd million of them, I saw no issue with their attitude towards women. Equally, I studied alongside Muslim women from many corners of the world. I am friendly with many Muslim women who are amongst the leaading lights in their respective professions.
Of course there are backward strains of Islam where their attitudes towards women are barbaric, no one is suggesting otherwise. If you are refering to these strains, can you please do so in the question.
Articulate, Pa.
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You still evade their attitude towards women.
Can you be more precise, please? Who's attitude towards Women?
I have lived in the world's most populus Muslim country, 200 odd million of them, I saw no issue with their attitude towards women. Equally, I studied alongside Muslim women from many corners of the world. I am friendly with many Muslim women who are amongst the leaading lights in their respective professions.
Of course there are backward strains of Islam where their attitudes towards women are barbaric, no one is suggesting otherwise. If you are refering to these strains, can you please do so in the question.
Articulate, Pa.
Ya won't get away with tellin a Cork wan to cover up from head to toe and walk 10 paces behind ya anyway.
Thanks DD, am having a read of that survey now and will let you know what I think.
p.s. Wonks, am burnt to a crisp.
p.s. Wonks, am burnt to a crisp.
A quick point about Islam in Indonesia;
Much of the horror stories that you will hear and as related by Tony, relate to Aceh. Aceh became a special autonomous region in 2003 after a long period of revolt against Indonesia. It is a relatively small, peripheral conservative region which fully enacts a strict Islamic criminal code. Its unfair to transpose it's babaric and backward practices as typical of Islam in Indonesia
More typical, representative and widespread is a particularly Indonesian approach to Islam, known as Archipelago Islam. It puts an emphasis on moderation, on tolerance, on protecting minority rights and has a big emphasis on a life of harmony.
Much of the horror stories that you will hear and as related by Tony, relate to Aceh. Aceh became a special autonomous region in 2003 after a long period of revolt against Indonesia. It is a relatively small, peripheral conservative region which fully enacts a strict Islamic criminal code. Its unfair to transpose it's babaric and backward practices as typical of Islam in Indonesia
More typical, representative and widespread is a particularly Indonesian approach to Islam, known as Archipelago Islam. It puts an emphasis on moderation, on tolerance, on protecting minority rights and has a big emphasis on a life of harmony.
DD,
Pew Institute seems to be non biased in outlook.
The survey is based on 39,000 respondents in 39 countries, so we could, perhaps, assume 1,000 Indonesian were polled. A small sample size, across what is a very diverse Archipelago and difficult to capture an accurate cross section.
Let's examine one of the results of the survey that you highlighted. That 72% of Indonesians favour the making of sharia the law in their country is alarming on the face of it.
However, Sharia law is understood and applied in such varied ways across the Muslim world that it is difficult to say exactly what it is.
Full Islamic criminal law, the harsh code most non-Muslims think of when they hear the word sharia, is only applied in very few countries, such as Saudi Arabia. Islamic "personal law" for issues like marriage and inheritance is much more common.
The Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams once sparked off a storm by suggesting Britain adopt some sharia law. British Muslims defending him stressed most of the Islamic world also rejected the ultra-orthodox model that he clearly ruled out.
So the survey response about 'Sharia Law' is not as alarming as one might initially think. Law in Indonesia is actually based on a civil law system, intermixed with customary law and the Roman Dutch law.
Pew Institute seems to be non biased in outlook.
The survey is based on 39,000 respondents in 39 countries, so we could, perhaps, assume 1,000 Indonesian were polled. A small sample size, across what is a very diverse Archipelago and difficult to capture an accurate cross section.
Let's examine one of the results of the survey that you highlighted. That 72% of Indonesians favour the making of sharia the law in their country is alarming on the face of it.
However, Sharia law is understood and applied in such varied ways across the Muslim world that it is difficult to say exactly what it is.
Full Islamic criminal law, the harsh code most non-Muslims think of when they hear the word sharia, is only applied in very few countries, such as Saudi Arabia. Islamic "personal law" for issues like marriage and inheritance is much more common.
The Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams once sparked off a storm by suggesting Britain adopt some sharia law. British Muslims defending him stressed most of the Islamic world also rejected the ultra-orthodox model that he clearly ruled out.
So the survey response about 'Sharia Law' is not as alarming as one might initially think. Law in Indonesia is actually based on a civil law system, intermixed with customary law and the Roman Dutch law.
Fantasic holiday you're having D'ozy , on holiday from here it seems ,you've only been on here 12 hrs out of the last 24...You're a gas ......
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D'ozy you never told us Abdeslam was one of yours.....
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wot a bloody well boring fcukwit ozy is,even more so if he really is on holiday
He never said a word about your man been one of his sort, now we have to worry about D'ozys kind as well ,whatever next...
Merkel offers cash handouts worth millions of pounds for migrants to return home in an embarrassing U-turn
The German chancellor agreed measures to speed up deportation
An estimated 450,000 rejected migrants are set to be sent home
Scheme includes £76million of cash incentives to leave voluntarily
eh, didn't take them long to find out this would not end well.
The German chancellor agreed measures to speed up deportation
An estimated 450,000 rejected migrants are set to be sent home
Scheme includes £76million of cash incentives to leave voluntarily
eh, didn't take them long to find out this would not end well.
Scared shitless after the German people spoke by voting against her last month.
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Sweden child migrant tests 'reveal many adults'
05 December 2017 Europe
Image caption The checks were only carried out in cases where there were doubts as to the person's age
A Swedish investigation into migrants claiming asylum as children suggests that three-quarters of those tested were over the age of 18.
Sweden's national forensic medicine agency checked the age of nearly 8,000 people and found that some 6,600 were 18 or over.
The checks were only carried out in cases where there were doubts as to the person's age.
Child migrants are less likely to be sent back to their country of origin.
Between mid-March and late October, the agency (Rättsmedicinalverket) carried out a total of 7,858 age assessments.
Of those, examinations suggested 6,628 were 18 or older (84%), and 112 "possibly" 18 or older , The Local newspaper reports.
The Migration Agency has so far made 5,700 decisions on the basis of those assessments. In 79% of those cases, the agency decided to formally consider the applicant as older than they had initially claimed in their asylum application, reports Svenska Dagbladet.
Age assessment is carried out by taking X-rays of wisdom teeth and MRI scans of knee joints, which are then analysed to determine age.
Many asylum seekers do not have identity documents as they may have lost them as they fled conflict or a natural disaster , says the International Organization for Migration.
In other cases their country of birth may not have the structures in place to record births, so it is not unusual for people not to know their exact age, says The Local.
When the Migration Agency assessed asylum seekers' ages last year, before the task was handed over to Rättsmedicinalverket, it formally increased the age of 17% of those whose age was in doubt.
More than 80,000 minors (of whom 37,000 arrived in the country without a parent or guardian) applied for asylum in Sweden in 2015 and 2016, The Local reports.
Sweden child migrant tests 'reveal many adults'
05 December 2017 Europe
Image caption The checks were only carried out in cases where there were doubts as to the person's age
A Swedish investigation into migrants claiming asylum as children suggests that three-quarters of those tested were over the age of 18.
Sweden's national forensic medicine agency checked the age of nearly 8,000 people and found that some 6,600 were 18 or over.
The checks were only carried out in cases where there were doubts as to the person's age.
Child migrants are less likely to be sent back to their country of origin.
Between mid-March and late October, the agency (Rättsmedicinalverket) carried out a total of 7,858 age assessments.
Of those, examinations suggested 6,628 were 18 or older (84%), and 112 "possibly" 18 or older , The Local newspaper reports.
The Migration Agency has so far made 5,700 decisions on the basis of those assessments. In 79% of those cases, the agency decided to formally consider the applicant as older than they had initially claimed in their asylum application, reports Svenska Dagbladet.
Age assessment is carried out by taking X-rays of wisdom teeth and MRI scans of knee joints, which are then analysed to determine age.
Many asylum seekers do not have identity documents as they may have lost them as they fled conflict or a natural disaster , says the International Organization for Migration.
In other cases their country of birth may not have the structures in place to record births, so it is not unusual for people not to know their exact age, says The Local.
When the Migration Agency assessed asylum seekers' ages last year, before the task was handed over to Rättsmedicinalverket, it formally increased the age of 17% of those whose age was in doubt.
More than 80,000 minors (of whom 37,000 arrived in the country without a parent or guardian) applied for asylum in Sweden in 2015 and 2016, The Local reports.
looks like aul Angela is coming unstuck.
Angela Merkel may not be able to avoid a crisis after Christian Social Union leader Horst Seehofer rejected the Social Democrats’ migrant family reunification plans before coalition negotiations have even begun.
The asylum seeker family reunification issue ultimately led to the collapse of the so-called “Jamaica coalition” talks late last month, when the classical liberal Free Democrats (FDP) pulled out of the negotiations.
The Social Democrats (SPD), led by former European Parliament president Martin Schulz, said that migrant family reunification would be a condition for a new “grand coalition” — but this has now been rejected by Christian Social Union (CSU) leader Horst Seehofer, Die Welt reports.
Seehofer, who recently announced he would be stepping down as Prime Minister of Bavaria but staying on as CSU leader, said family reunification “would be such a massive amount of immigration that Germany’s ability to integrate would be totally overwhelmed”.
Estimates from earlier this year suggest that by 2018 around 390,000 Syrians with full asylum status or temporary asylum status would be eligible to bring their families to Germany.
Merkel and her Christian Democratic Union (CDU) could also face opposition to a grand coalition from parts of the SPD as well. The youth organisation of the SPD, the Jusos, are against the idea of a grand coalition, with their leader Kevin Kühnert saying that they agree with talks but that the talks should not lead to a formal coalition.
So far, the SPD has not formally agreed to hold coalition talks with the CDU as the party has decided to put the matter to a vote among the party members, which will be held on Thursday.
Despite winning the national election in September, Merkel has not been able to form a working government. If she cannot form a coalition with the SPD, many expect there to be snap elections which would have to take place early in the new year.
Recent polls show little change in polling for the SPD or the CDU/CSU, and the anti-mass migration Alternative for Germany (AfD) remains in third place.
Some, like the youth branch of the CDU in Dusseldorf, the Junge Union, have called for Merkel to step down as leader of the party. Merkel has shown no signs of being willing to resign as leader, despite her election failure — though several prominent CDU members could potentially replace her.
Angela Merkel may not be able to avoid a crisis after Christian Social Union leader Horst Seehofer rejected the Social Democrats’ migrant family reunification plans before coalition negotiations have even begun.
The asylum seeker family reunification issue ultimately led to the collapse of the so-called “Jamaica coalition” talks late last month, when the classical liberal Free Democrats (FDP) pulled out of the negotiations.
The Social Democrats (SPD), led by former European Parliament president Martin Schulz, said that migrant family reunification would be a condition for a new “grand coalition” — but this has now been rejected by Christian Social Union (CSU) leader Horst Seehofer, Die Welt reports.
Seehofer, who recently announced he would be stepping down as Prime Minister of Bavaria but staying on as CSU leader, said family reunification “would be such a massive amount of immigration that Germany’s ability to integrate would be totally overwhelmed”.
Estimates from earlier this year suggest that by 2018 around 390,000 Syrians with full asylum status or temporary asylum status would be eligible to bring their families to Germany.
Merkel and her Christian Democratic Union (CDU) could also face opposition to a grand coalition from parts of the SPD as well. The youth organisation of the SPD, the Jusos, are against the idea of a grand coalition, with their leader Kevin Kühnert saying that they agree with talks but that the talks should not lead to a formal coalition.
So far, the SPD has not formally agreed to hold coalition talks with the CDU as the party has decided to put the matter to a vote among the party members, which will be held on Thursday.
Despite winning the national election in September, Merkel has not been able to form a working government. If she cannot form a coalition with the SPD, many expect there to be snap elections which would have to take place early in the new year.
Recent polls show little change in polling for the SPD or the CDU/CSU, and the anti-mass migration Alternative for Germany (AfD) remains in third place.
Some, like the youth branch of the CDU in Dusseldorf, the Junge Union, have called for Merkel to step down as leader of the party. Merkel has shown no signs of being willing to resign as leader, despite her election failure — though several prominent CDU members could potentially replace her.
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