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However, all those sanctions were wiped out by the three-man appeals panel of Nick Wachman, Colin Magnier and Tony Hunt at the Turf Club on Monday night as both horses were found to have health problems in the aftermath of the race.
Colin a cousin of John, would be fairly close to trainer of other horse that was exonerated.
the 3 presiding at the hearing were
judge tony hunt....he of recent fame on the graham dwyer murder trial
nick wachman....don't think he is any close relation to david, from clonbullogue in offaly, always struck me as from a west brit background
colin magnier...son of the recently deceased clem, rode for auction to champion hurdle success, I never recall these magniers from meath being related to the cork magniers, maybe frankthetank can elaborate.
given the evidence I suspect the panel had their hands tied.
judge tony hunt....he of recent fame on the graham dwyer murder trial
nick wachman....don't think he is any close relation to david, from clonbullogue in offaly, always struck me as from a west brit background
colin magnier...son of the recently deceased clem, rode for auction to champion hurdle success, I never recall these magniers from meath being related to the cork magniers, maybe frankthetank can elaborate.
given the evidence I suspect the panel had their hands tied.
Great to see you back KL...(not that you ever went away).
Both Shantou Ed (Beaufort Lab in Newmarket discovered the horse has a lung disease) & Tony Martin-trained Bobbie’s Diamond (independent vet examination before it left the track performed an endoscopic exam and found the horse had bled) were found to have had health problems in the aftermath of the race. Case dismissed.
Both Shantou Ed (Beaufort Lab in Newmarket discovered the horse has a lung disease) & Tony Martin-trained Bobbie’s Diamond (independent vet examination before it left the track performed an endoscopic exam and found the horse had bled) were found to have had health problems in the aftermath of the race. Case dismissed.
KL
Clem was originally from Fermoy. His brother Tom was John Magnier's father.
Clem was originally from Fermoy. His brother Tom was John Magnier's father.
thanks for that info frank, you learn something new everyday.
Good auld Ozy, hates anyone who is intellectually or knowledgeably,surperior, keen leader, wildman, workrider etc.
Nick Wachman is related to Norman Wachman who owned a great sprinter just after the war called The Bug.
Norman was a huge gambler and landed some spectacular punts.
Norman Wachman was a shoe manufacturer same as Nick,I think they were separate firms.
Norman was Dublin based,Nick in Edenderry.
David Wachman is from this family.
The interesting thing about Fairyhouse is it was a young stipendiary steward that called them in.
The two regulars were on holidays.
The tyros obviously hadn't heard of the unwritten rule,its unlikely to happen again.
Norman was a huge gambler and landed some spectacular punts.
Norman Wachman was a shoe manufacturer same as Nick,I think they were separate firms.
Norman was Dublin based,Nick in Edenderry.
David Wachman is from this family.
The interesting thing about Fairyhouse is it was a young stipendiary steward that called them in.
The two regulars were on holidays.
The tyros obviously hadn't heard of the unwritten rule,its unlikely to happen again.
This puts Shantou Ed & Bobbie’s Diamond on the radar
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Guy Williams pays tribute to the retired trainer, who has died peacefully, aged 98
NEWS of Clem Magnier passing away in Florida last Saturday really does denote the closing of an era.
Born on September 2nd, 1917 – five months after Vincent O’Brien – Clem grew up to a life of horses and racing.
Taking out his trainer’s licence in 1946, Clem saddled the first of countless winners when Cavaliero won a Mallow bumper under Barry Whelan. Prince Of Devon brought his trainer to notice with 18 wins. They included a Naas November Handicap, Galway Hurdle and the inaugural Thyestes Chase. Prince Of Devon carried the colours of Miss Ursula Quirk, who became Mrs Clem Magnier in December 1951. Their union was blessed with three sons, Paul, Colin and Simon, together with daughters Avril, Susan, Jane, Kate and Julie.
URBANE
Dapper and urbane, Clem Magnier could train any racehorse, from the veteran Overshadow, winner of the 1953 Irish Grand National, to Pianissimo, successful in the 1969 Phoenix Park ‘1500’. Six Cheltenham Festival winners included Albergo, dubbed ‘the iron horse’ for his enthusiasm however arduous his campaign. Successful in a Gloucestershire Hurdle and a County Hurdle, Albergo was runner-up to Another Flash in the 1960 Champion Hurdle.
Galway was an annual target, rewarded with four Galway Hurdle wins, a record shared with Barney Nugent and Paddy Mullins. Dividing his fourth and final Galway trainers’ title with Paddy Mullins in 1975, Clem went on to train more Irish winners (61) than any of his rivals that year.
Egan’s Hotel, Oughterard, was Clem’s base for the Galway races and memorable occasions they became for those in his hospitable company.
Latterly distinguished by Clem’s trademark white Australian bridles, his winners brought stable jockey and head man Tommy Murphy to such prominence that he was ‘head-hunted’ by none other than Vincent O’Brien, for whom Tommy went on to be Irish champion jockey in 1978.
While some suggested that Vincent had paid Clem a compliment, Clem never could see it quite that way. In any event Clem could take satisfaction in the riding exploits of his stylish son Colin, one of few amateurs to win a Champion Hurdle, as he did for trainer Michael Cunningham on For Auction in 1982. They had earlier won the Irish Sweeps Hurdle at Leopardstown. Though never Irish amateur champion, Colin Magnier was recognised as the most accomplished of his era.
Clem handed over the stable to Colin in 1981, to concentrate on stud management, his own and the Clagues’.
GALWAY FOCUS
Colin extended the Magniers’ Galway focus, training and riding his own Double Wrapped to win the ‘Amateurs Derby’ at Ballybrit in 1982. They repeated that success in 1983, for Bill and Tony Durkan. In time Colin passed that trainer’s chalice to his brother Paul.
Forlorn following Ursula’s demise, Clem Magnier surprised and delighted his wide circle of friends when capturing the hand of an American bride – Annette. Thereafter Clem wintered in Florida, returning home each summer to carry his bag of five clubs throughout his daily 18 holes of golf, even when well into his 90s.
His funeral service took place in Florida yesterday (Friday) and a memorial service will be held in Ireland at a future date. May he rest in peace.
CLEM MAGNIER
FACTFILE
Born 1917 in Fermoy, Co Cork
The Magnier family stood Cottage at their Grange Stud
Moved to Dublin for three years before training at Kilsheelan and then Clerihan, both in Co Tipperary
Best horses included Prince Of Devon (1953 Galway Hurdle, 1954 Thyestes Chase), Overshadow (Irish Grand National), Teapot (1953 County Hurdle), Top Twenty (1958 & 1959 Grand Annual Chase), Albergo (1958 Supreme Novices’ Hurdle)
Moved to Clifden Lodge, Athboy, Co Meath, in 1960 and concentrated on flat racing
Best horses included Pianissimo (1969 Phoenix Stakes) and Just A Game (1978 Beresford Stakes).
Won Galway Hurdle three more times with Dictora (1970), Double Default (1975) and Double Wrapped (1981)
Retired in 1981 and handed over to his son Colin
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The funeral takes place in Florida today (Thursday) of Clem Magnier, the retired horse trainer who was based at many years at Clifden Lodge, Athboy. He passed away suddenly in Florida on Saturday last, aged 98, having been living in Florida for about fifteen years.
Clem Magnier had a successful training career with big race wins on both the flat and over jumps over the years, having grown up in a family that was involved in horses for generations.
From Fermoy on Co Cork, his father owned Grange Stud, and Clem was born in 1917. After school, he spent 11 years with his father, who stood Cottage, sire of many top-class chasers, including Cottage Rake, the horse which won three Cheltenham Gold Cups for Vincent O’Brien.
With no commitment from his father on the future of the family farm, he gave him 12 months’ notice, and moved to Dublin. He spent the next three years living in the Dolphin Hotel, making a precarious living by backing horses and playing cards.
His brother, Tom, inherited the home farm and offered him a horse to train. He began his training career while based with his sister and her family in Kilsheelan, Co Tipperary, and enjoyed success withg his first horse, Cavaliero, whom Tom sold to Doroty Paget. With part of the proceeds from the sale, Clem began his training career in earnest, with Overshadow, Teapot II, and Prince of Devon.
Clem Magnier’s first major success was in the 1951 Naas November Handicap with Price Of Devon. It was owned by Ursula Quirk from Carrick-on-Suir, who was to become his wife. The horse won the Galway Hurdle in 1953, and the Thyestes Chase at Gowran Park in 1954, before being sold to America.
Overshadow II was a 20-1 winner of the Irish Grand National at Fairyhouse, at the age of 13. No horse of his age has won the race since then.
Teapot II won the County Hurdle in 1953, two days after finishing third in the Champion Hurdle, after a 12 hour sea journey. Teapot II won a big handicap hurdle at Aintree the same year, and later joined Vincent O’Brien.
In 1958, on the opening day of the Cheltenham Festival, Magnier enjoyed two victories, when Top Twenty landed the Grand Annual Chase under Francis Shortt, and favourite Springsilver under Bobby Beasley won the Birdlip Handicap Hurdle. Top Twenty under Fred Winter became the first of only two horses in the post-war era to capture the Grand Annual twice, when it won a year later carrying 12 st 6 Ib, 27 lb more than 12 months earlier.
At the same meeting, he saddled Albergo to win the Gloucestershire (Supreme Novices’) hurdle, and three days later, the horse won at Hurst Park before going on to win the Coronation Hurdle at Aintree on Grand National Day.
Clem and Ursula were operating from Clerihan, Co Tipperary, but found that it was too far away from the big race meetings, and moved to Athboy in 1960, to Rathvale, the former racing stables of Reggie Walker, a top National Hunt trainer. Clem concentrated more on Flat racing, and later, bought neighbouring Trimblestown.
Clem’s big-race successes on the Flat included Pianissimo, who won the 1969 Phoenix Stakes, and Just A Game, who landed the 1978 Beresford Stakes.
He recorded his most sensational Flat win when Just a Game triumphed at 50-1 under Tommy Carberry in the 1978 Beresford Stakes. He won several big handicaps with fillies, including the Naas November with Miss Patsy and Fiora in 1961 and ‘62 respectively, and the Rockingham Handicap with Bililah in 1974.
Clem Magnier recorded three more Galway Hurdle wins, with Dictora in 1970, Double Default in 1975, and Double Wrapped in 1981. The latter two also won the big amateur handicap at Galway with his son, Colin, on board.
Tommy Murphy, who later went to work with Vincent O’Brien, and was 177 champion flat jockey, worked as head man and jockey for Clem Magnier at Rathvale for 10 years, and won the Galway Hurdle for him in Dictora in 1970, and Pianissimo in the Phoenix Stakes a year earlier. Tony Martin started his career with Clem and was with him for eight yers.
He retired about 25 years ago, handing over to his son Colin, who is now based at the Hill of Skryne. Colin was an amateur rider who won the 1982 Chamnpion Hurdle in Cheltenham on board For Auction for Michael Cunningham. Clem moved to Sarasota, Florida, where he enjoyed playing golf.
Aged 98, he was still a very active and in good health. He was playing golf recently when he slipped and fractured a hip. He had surgery, which went well. He was recovering and was having lunch with his wife Annette and his niece on Saturday, and went to sleep, passing away peacefully.
Clem Magnier is survived by his wife, Annette and family of eight from his first marriage to Ursula, who predeceased him, daughters Susie, Avril, Jane, Kate and Julie, sons Paul, Colin and Simon, 12 grandchildren, and a large extended family. The funeral takes place in Florida on Thursday, with a memorial service locally at a later date.
- See more at: http://www.meathchronicle.ie/news/roundup/articles/2015/11/19/4109890-funera...
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Guy Williams pays tribute to the retired trainer, who has died peacefully, aged 98
NEWS of Clem Magnier passing away in Florida last Saturday really does denote the closing of an era.
Born on September 2nd, 1917 – five months after Vincent O’Brien – Clem grew up to a life of horses and racing.
Taking out his trainer’s licence in 1946, Clem saddled the first of countless winners when Cavaliero won a Mallow bumper under Barry Whelan. Prince Of Devon brought his trainer to notice with 18 wins. They included a Naas November Handicap, Galway Hurdle and the inaugural Thyestes Chase. Prince Of Devon carried the colours of Miss Ursula Quirk, who became Mrs Clem Magnier in December 1951. Their union was blessed with three sons, Paul, Colin and Simon, together with daughters Avril, Susan, Jane, Kate and Julie.
URBANE
Dapper and urbane, Clem Magnier could train any racehorse, from the veteran Overshadow, winner of the 1953 Irish Grand National, to Pianissimo, successful in the 1969 Phoenix Park ‘1500’. Six Cheltenham Festival winners included Albergo, dubbed ‘the iron horse’ for his enthusiasm however arduous his campaign. Successful in a Gloucestershire Hurdle and a County Hurdle, Albergo was runner-up to Another Flash in the 1960 Champion Hurdle.
Galway was an annual target, rewarded with four Galway Hurdle wins, a record shared with Barney Nugent and Paddy Mullins. Dividing his fourth and final Galway trainers’ title with Paddy Mullins in 1975, Clem went on to train more Irish winners (61) than any of his rivals that year.
Egan’s Hotel, Oughterard, was Clem’s base for the Galway races and memorable occasions they became for those in his hospitable company.
Latterly distinguished by Clem’s trademark white Australian bridles, his winners brought stable jockey and head man Tommy Murphy to such prominence that he was ‘head-hunted’ by none other than Vincent O’Brien, for whom Tommy went on to be Irish champion jockey in 1978.
While some suggested that Vincent had paid Clem a compliment, Clem never could see it quite that way. In any event Clem could take satisfaction in the riding exploits of his stylish son Colin, one of few amateurs to win a Champion Hurdle, as he did for trainer Michael Cunningham on For Auction in 1982. They had earlier won the Irish Sweeps Hurdle at Leopardstown. Though never Irish amateur champion, Colin Magnier was recognised as the most accomplished of his era.
Clem handed over the stable to Colin in 1981, to concentrate on stud management, his own and the Clagues’.
GALWAY FOCUS
Colin extended the Magniers’ Galway focus, training and riding his own Double Wrapped to win the ‘Amateurs Derby’ at Ballybrit in 1982. They repeated that success in 1983, for Bill and Tony Durkan. In time Colin passed that trainer’s chalice to his brother Paul.
Forlorn following Ursula’s demise, Clem Magnier surprised and delighted his wide circle of friends when capturing the hand of an American bride – Annette. Thereafter Clem wintered in Florida, returning home each summer to carry his bag of five clubs throughout his daily 18 holes of golf, even when well into his 90s.
His funeral service took place in Florida yesterday (Friday) and a memorial service will be held in Ireland at a future date. May he rest in peace.
CLEM MAGNIER
FACTFILE
Born 1917 in Fermoy, Co Cork
The Magnier family stood Cottage at their Grange Stud
Moved to Dublin for three years before training at Kilsheelan and then Clerihan, both in Co Tipperary
Best horses included Prince Of Devon (1953 Galway Hurdle, 1954 Thyestes Chase), Overshadow (Irish Grand National), Teapot (1953 County Hurdle), Top Twenty (1958 & 1959 Grand Annual Chase), Albergo (1958 Supreme Novices’ Hurdle)
Moved to Clifden Lodge, Athboy, Co Meath, in 1960 and concentrated on flat racing
Best horses included Pianissimo (1969 Phoenix Stakes) and Just A Game (1978 Beresford Stakes).
Won Galway Hurdle three more times with Dictora (1970), Double Default (1975) and Double Wrapped (1981)
Retired in 1981 and handed over to his son Colin
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The funeral takes place in Florida today (Thursday) of Clem Magnier, the retired horse trainer who was based at many years at Clifden Lodge, Athboy. He passed away suddenly in Florida on Saturday last, aged 98, having been living in Florida for about fifteen years.
Clem Magnier had a successful training career with big race wins on both the flat and over jumps over the years, having grown up in a family that was involved in horses for generations.
From Fermoy on Co Cork, his father owned Grange Stud, and Clem was born in 1917. After school, he spent 11 years with his father, who stood Cottage, sire of many top-class chasers, including Cottage Rake, the horse which won three Cheltenham Gold Cups for Vincent O’Brien.
With no commitment from his father on the future of the family farm, he gave him 12 months’ notice, and moved to Dublin. He spent the next three years living in the Dolphin Hotel, making a precarious living by backing horses and playing cards.
His brother, Tom, inherited the home farm and offered him a horse to train. He began his training career while based with his sister and her family in Kilsheelan, Co Tipperary, and enjoyed success withg his first horse, Cavaliero, whom Tom sold to Doroty Paget. With part of the proceeds from the sale, Clem began his training career in earnest, with Overshadow, Teapot II, and Prince of Devon.
Clem Magnier’s first major success was in the 1951 Naas November Handicap with Price Of Devon. It was owned by Ursula Quirk from Carrick-on-Suir, who was to become his wife. The horse won the Galway Hurdle in 1953, and the Thyestes Chase at Gowran Park in 1954, before being sold to America.
Overshadow II was a 20-1 winner of the Irish Grand National at Fairyhouse, at the age of 13. No horse of his age has won the race since then.
Teapot II won the County Hurdle in 1953, two days after finishing third in the Champion Hurdle, after a 12 hour sea journey. Teapot II won a big handicap hurdle at Aintree the same year, and later joined Vincent O’Brien.
In 1958, on the opening day of the Cheltenham Festival, Magnier enjoyed two victories, when Top Twenty landed the Grand Annual Chase under Francis Shortt, and favourite Springsilver under Bobby Beasley won the Birdlip Handicap Hurdle. Top Twenty under Fred Winter became the first of only two horses in the post-war era to capture the Grand Annual twice, when it won a year later carrying 12 st 6 Ib, 27 lb more than 12 months earlier.
At the same meeting, he saddled Albergo to win the Gloucestershire (Supreme Novices’) hurdle, and three days later, the horse won at Hurst Park before going on to win the Coronation Hurdle at Aintree on Grand National Day.
Clem and Ursula were operating from Clerihan, Co Tipperary, but found that it was too far away from the big race meetings, and moved to Athboy in 1960, to Rathvale, the former racing stables of Reggie Walker, a top National Hunt trainer. Clem concentrated more on Flat racing, and later, bought neighbouring Trimblestown.
Clem’s big-race successes on the Flat included Pianissimo, who won the 1969 Phoenix Stakes, and Just A Game, who landed the 1978 Beresford Stakes.
He recorded his most sensational Flat win when Just a Game triumphed at 50-1 under Tommy Carberry in the 1978 Beresford Stakes. He won several big handicaps with fillies, including the Naas November with Miss Patsy and Fiora in 1961 and ‘62 respectively, and the Rockingham Handicap with Bililah in 1974.
Clem Magnier recorded three more Galway Hurdle wins, with Dictora in 1970, Double Default in 1975, and Double Wrapped in 1981. The latter two also won the big amateur handicap at Galway with his son, Colin, on board.
Tommy Murphy, who later went to work with Vincent O’Brien, and was 177 champion flat jockey, worked as head man and jockey for Clem Magnier at Rathvale for 10 years, and won the Galway Hurdle for him in Dictora in 1970, and Pianissimo in the Phoenix Stakes a year earlier. Tony Martin started his career with Clem and was with him for eight yers.
He retired about 25 years ago, handing over to his son Colin, who is now based at the Hill of Skryne. Colin was an amateur rider who won the 1982 Chamnpion Hurdle in Cheltenham on board For Auction for Michael Cunningham. Clem moved to Sarasota, Florida, where he enjoyed playing golf.
Aged 98, he was still a very active and in good health. He was playing golf recently when he slipped and fractured a hip. He had surgery, which went well. He was recovering and was having lunch with his wife Annette and his niece on Saturday, and went to sleep, passing away peacefully.
Clem Magnier is survived by his wife, Annette and family of eight from his first marriage to Ursula, who predeceased him, daughters Susie, Avril, Jane, Kate and Julie, sons Paul, Colin and Simon, 12 grandchildren, and a large extended family. The funeral takes place in Florida on Thursday, with a memorial service locally at a later date.
- See more at: http://www.meathchronicle.ie/news/roundup/articles/2015/11/19/4109890-funera...
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